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Thats what I meant, thank you! And let me add that Mantalos, Pelkas and the other "useful" players do not play in their normal position while playing for the Ethniki because theyre not good enough. They wouldnt play on the wing if they could squeeze out Fortounis. Their abilities are in fact limited. They can shine in the Super League against Lamia but cannot make a difference against an Estonia national team. Such players shouldnt be called up at all, but as Laputan remarked we had not too much successful players. Some of our midfielders are necessarily filler material nowadays for we havent eight decent (by NT standards) Greek midfielders.

Merry Christmas everyone... Erikson plays on the wing when he is a CAM. Many others can play on the wing around the world. I don’t know why some of our players can’t be useful there. Pelkas has played on the wing at times for PAOK and looked ok. Mantalos same. It’s just when it comes to the national team it’s like they don’t know what to do. Bakasetas same thing. We should just play our best players in positions we know they can thrive in. To me your not good enough if you can’t play another position. Maybe that’s a bit harsh but in reality I think our players are not good enough in general than the rest of the world in my opinion. I thought Pelkas could play both wing and CAM it’s clear that he can only play CAM. Fetfatzidis can play both as I said before.

I have to agree that we do get more out of the Olympiakos players. What has Mantalos, Pelkas and Bakasetas done for us? Fortounis has scored and assisted twice for us. Tsimikas has an assist on his debut. Koutris also impressive. We haven’t seen Lazaros or Fetfa enough to make judgments. Bouchalakis is just a filler in my opinion as we have no one else. What this team needs is to play the best players possible in the right positions. I also think Kourbelis is a good addition to the team. He is fast, good tackler and reads the game well. We need someone next to him who is a pure CM that is an all rounder. It’s time that we add some youth. Galanopoulos will be in team but I have question marks over what will he bring for us going forward. I have been impressed by Bouzoukis. Talking about allrounders....

Whom ever out of Kourbelis, Samaris, Taxi, or Tzioli$ grows a long metro sexual beard and looks and talks like Pirlo will be our answer. Galanopoulos has that so he is in front.

Hmmm dunno about this Dean... Don’t think football moved on and left Samaris and Tachtsidis behind whilst everyone else evolved ? they both prob need to move to dif teams, Tachtsidis was never gona make it in England though let’s be honest.

Mourinho would be great for NT I think as he's defensive minded and it's our strength. Feel like he's a bit outside of our pay grade though... it seems that a lot of NT teams are getting stronger while we're atrophying. Ukraine, Serbia come to mind. I think what we need is pace for the counter as we absorb attacks and should probably play 3 atb as insurance. Tsimikas and Donis bring pace but we need more on the right flank. Probably Bakakis + Fetfa. Torosidis is good as impact sub at 60+ minutes.

Wow man this is so upsetting.. I agree they need to get their s%$#! together and fix this ASAP and it better start with the qualifications of the Euro and no more dropping games to garbage teams...