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skibbe is definitely getting affected by the managers. in fact he gets the so called "μιζα" from them just because they called up their players, like tziolis and tzavellas. get lost freaking useless coach.

@Yiankos nice summary. I have thought the same but have become too lazy to even post about it because it just goes in one ear and out the other. The truth is that all of the big teams in Greece are a bunch of cry babies. In the space of 3 weeks we had Olympiakos, AEK and then PAOK threatening to leave or leaving the pitch. Unbelievable man! We are at fault you could say for doing the same as Olympiakos and AEK but to our credit we had to be poked many times before Savvidis went donkey kong. This really is what EPO and the government should try and clean up first. The behaviour of the presidents and the teams. The fans is another story and will take more work but we should at least expect the clubs to have a minimum standard of behaviour. I can't see this happening though. There is too much hatred and anger now. Marinakis, Alafouzos, Melissanidis, Savvidis, Kougias what a great bunch of presidents. Role models the lot of them. In a proper world :- - PAOK should be punished for the cash register roll hitting Garcia. - PAOK should be punished for Savvidis coming onto the pitch. - PAOK should be punished for Savvidis having a gun on him on the pitch. - PAOK should be punished for Savvidis attempting to (unsuccessfully) get the team to leave. - Olympiakos should be punished for leaving the game without permission for the referee. - Olympiakos should be punished for not following proper protocol regarding doctor's examination of Garcia. - AEK should be punished for attempting to leave the pitch. - AEK should be punished for surrounding and threatening the referee to the point he changed his mind. If all the above was handled properly then Atromitos would win the league and I'd be all right with that. None of the rest deserve it. Cry babies the lot of them. As for punishments for PAOK, based on comments I've read in this forum and other media, I don't think POK fans will be happy unless we are relegated to the 99th division, Savvidis goes to jail for life and every person living in Thessaloniki is forced to pay off the debt of Greece. Anything less and they'll feel justice wasn't served. Go figure ...

http://www.sport24.gr/football/ellada/ethniki_elladas/skimpe-tha-dokimasoyme-ton-koylourh.5133866.html I think many of us are going to be pissed off tomorrow... this guy... before my blood pressure increases let's just see what he does

http://www.agonasport.com/agonasport-allnews/what-is-needed-in-upcoming-friendlies#

Bad enough this clown called up Tziolis and Tzavellas but if they see the filed tomorrow this clown needs to lose his job regardless of the outcome of the match... Hionestly I don't think I've wanted to get rid of a coach more then i do this clown..

I think I have figured it out. I believe the Skibbe is consulting with our former coach Rehhagel on certain players and formations. Rehhagel was always using players out of position, most notably Torosidis as a LB, always calling up the same out of form and not getting any playing time players instead of transitioning new blood into the team. Using crazy formations like the game vs Argentina and our Skibbe I believe did consult with him for our away game with Croatia (what a disaster Maniatis at RB completely lost and Zeca on the RW when he should have been holding mid). There is no other explanation as to why he repeatedly calls up and plays Tziolis when we have so much better. Now I'm reading he might start vs Switzerland. What for???? To see what he can bring to the table? If I had to describe Tziolis his game it is similar to turning a jar of molasses upside down and watching it trickle out ever so slowly. One very knowledgeable guy in Greece told a friend of mine that he uses Tziolis to slow down the game. Yeah no kidding. More like bring it to a screeching halt. That's not the kind of soccer we want to play. Get rid of him already! I cannot watch this guy til Euro 2020. It's like Santos with Karagounis and Katsouranis all day all night and all the time. This is the perfect time to transition new blood into the team. Let Tziolis cheer them on the from the bench PLEASE!!!

I hope that's our line up on Friday.

I disagree Chris, I believe he is way ahead of everyone. His ratings are high because people follow him whether they like him or not.

A lot of people don't like Raptopoulos but I enjoy him.

Guys, it's been fun voicing opinions, and listening to all sides of this saga. By the reaction in these forums, one thing is certain, we all want to see soccer prosper in Greece. We love the game, our teams and the competition. If you look at what's happened in the past 45 days in GSL, it's absolutely insane. Not looking back to prior years, but just focusing on the current state. I'm not speaking as an AEK fan right now, and I hope you read this with neutrality, and not with your teams colors. The incidents at Toumba for the past 2 home games are of no fault of the visiting teams. Against Oly, no matter what the object was that was thrown, iit was unfortunate. The rules of the league clearly stated what the repercussions are for breaking the rules. PAOK was given a -3 point deduction, then 2 home games without fans. Remember, earlier in the season, Olympiacos was given the same punishment for mismanaged fans against AEK. In a turn of events, less than 18 hours before the match against AEK, an appeal was granted where points were given back to PAOK AND fans were permitted to attend the game. So, the evening prior to the game, AEK went to bed being 5 points ahead, and the expectation of no fans. We all wake up on Sunday to the news of the change in the ruling............. Fast forward to the derby, and we all saw what happened......an owner and general manager invade a pitch! Players confirm that threats were made towards the referee by PAOK officials; images of a gun holstered on the waist of the owner.......chaos...... Now, if we are unbiased in reading the events listed above, how in the world would anyone expect ANY team from any part of the world, to come back onto the field and finish the match?! How can we expect the referee to officiate the final minutes of the game, after what happened earlier? I didn't even list the fact that a goal was allowed, disallowed, then allowed again; since it has no bearing on the situation of the pitch invasion. PAOK made their bed; now they must sleep in it. No finger pointing, no excuses, it's been happening all season. When will you hold your team/officials/fans accountable for their actions? When will we expect the league to uphold the rules, that are written in black and white? This is the very reason that we've become the laughing stock of the soccer world. The fact that Olympiacos has had their appeal postponed for over 30 days is another laughing matter. Will I be shocked if they are given back their 3 points; no. The league gave PAOK back their points, so what's the justification to deduct from Oly? Rules are rules, right?!!