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Surely he needs to be sacked for these actions. This behaviour is unacceptable in 2017.....by any standards..even Balkan football standards should not tolerate this. no excuse can save him..

Anyways. After we achieved what we wanted here and let Bosnia behind. Our fate is in our hands. Cyprus will probably help us. Everyone seems to get struggling in Estonia. I remember I think in this forum or maybe some bosnian one, someone saying "BiH won Estonia by 5, you only scored twice." Well Id like to ask him his opinion about Belgium barely scoring 2 with 10 men Estonia. Looking furtherahead, since 2nd spot is Id say 70% ours with this result, here are the possible 2nd spotters: Group A:France/Sweden/Netherlands , 6,31,34 in the rankings currently. Group B: Portugal/Switzerland, 8,9 in the rankings Group C: Northern Ireland/Czech Republic/Azerbaijan, 29,44 , over 50 in the rankings. Group D: Serbia/Ireland/Wales/Austria, 50,26,13,35 in the rankings Group E: Montenegro, Denmark, Romania, Armenia, over 50, over 50,46, over 50 in the rankings. Group F: Slovakia, Slovenia, Scotland: 21,over 50, over 50 in the rankings Group G: Spain,Italy: no need to even bother writing them down. Group I: Iceland, Ukraine, Turkey: 22,25,37 in the rankings, Greece currently 40 2 teams have already taken a spot in the top seeds: The 2nd one of Portugal/Switzerland The 2nd one of Spain/Italy The 2nd one of Sweden/France/Netherlands If we finish 2nd seed,we have a 25% chance to believe in qualification, simply because all of these teams ARE unbeatable for us right now. I feel we need to beat Belgium in Greece to jump enough spots to contest for a high seed and: Group C: Czech republic or Azeriabijan taking 2nd spot over Northern Ireland (highly possible) Group D:Serbia finishing 2nd spot. Group E: Probably any team will be low seed from there. Group F:Slovenia or Scotland pushing for 2nd spot. Group I Turkey finishing 2nd spot. We are very close in the rankings so I guess a win over Belgium would skyrocket us ahead of them. 3 of these needed to happen alongside some friendlys arranged simply to higher our ranking is our only chance. Otherwise hope that 25% chance when we re low seed gives us Ireland or Iceland. But we re not too good against flags like the Iceland one :P . UPDATE: After checking the upcomming matchdays and the home/away games as well as the current points of the teams, we have no chance to be top seed unless they change the ranking system bottom with the top.

He was reportedly offered $600K/year (double his previous salary) and turned it down. If he felt he was worth more and gets it, more power to him. If we don't have a new coach and at least 2 new signings by the time the teams heads over for training, you can flush another season down the drain. Also, Savvidis Jr posted a cryptic message on Instagram about sinking a ship to get rid of the rats, or something like that, that assumed to be aimed towards Ivic. That kid really needs to stop posting on Instagram....he just looks like an idiot sometimes.

First spot is not lost yet. Assuming we win the rest of our games (Estonia, Belgium and Gibraltar at home and away vs Cyprus) and Belgium losses or draws away against BiH then we're first. Keep in mind in case we beat Belgium in September then that's gonna be the last Bosnian opportunity for the second place. They will be motivated and will not blow the game away. *Hazard will miss the game against us.

Still can't believe Mantalos missed did not even hit the net make the gk save it. It was like Gekas few years back. We could have had all 3 points even with out Samaris, K Paps, Tzavellas... Bosnia played much better in Greece, today they didn't show much and if they play the same vs Belgium they will lose by couple goals. As for the altercation after match they should be forced to play behind close doors as we were vs Romania during last Euro qualifiers, for much less.

was the trouble after the game severe enough for Bosnia to be sanctioned? if so, what type of sanctions?

Zeca was superb. Best CM display by a Greek player in a while. Mantalos and baksetas offer almost zero threat. Back line was solid. Stafylidis is way better than tzavellas. Good away performance all things considered and hopefully we will be able to grab some points vs Belgium at home

The whole situation is strange. I thought Ivic was a lock down for next season given we won the Cup. Sure the play offs went badly but when you look at the entire season as a whole, it was successful. On the plus side of the ledger :- - we won the Cup. Our first trophy in years. - seem to have fixed the issue with the injuries. Remember those ? - seem to have fixed our defensive frailties at set pieces. Remember those ? - cleaned out a lot of the dead wood and trouble makers. - built a solid core of say 15 or say players. A real core for the first time in forever. - had a good run in the second half of the season. - overall are playing fairly decent football. - managed to score 52 goals in the league (5 less than Olympiakos) with only one real striker who played only a handful of games and minutes. - Ivic understands Greek football. This should not be underestimated. On the minus side of the ledger :- - the team did start poorly, but what do we expect ? It was a new inexperienced coach with lots of new players and no core to begin with. - Ivic at times lacks tactical ... sophistication. Again, what do we expect. He's new and will learn. The naive mistakes he makes today hopefully won't be repeated tomorrow. - the play offs went badly. So I can't see how the club could be unhappy with Ivic. I can only guess that it's Ivic that has grievances with the club. Maybe he was expecting a certain salary after the Cup win and then post play offs that had been reduced and he's angry about it. Nothing else makes sense. As far as risk goes, Ivic is definitely the less risky option compared to getting a new coach. Sorry, I know this has been said 1000 times but a good proven coach is NOT coming to PAOK. Not given our history of firing coaches every season. If we get a new coach it could be the same crap all over again. Why risk it ? Stick with Ivic and let's see where it takes us. I think after another full season (my god, I can't believe I'm even thinking of PAOK sticking with a coach for 2 years!!!) then we can reassess.