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We've become far too easy to score against, a far cry from the side we had under Santos that would shutout the opposition and win games by scoring lone goals. Play the 3-5-2 with Sokratis, Papadopoulos and Manolas, with Tachtsidis the anchor infront of them the rest of the positions are all interchangeable on form as far as I'm concerned.

Everything is all right guys. We scored a goal.

Holebas should never ever play for the NT again. EVER.

Holebas SHOULD NEVER wear the Greek jersey again the dog that he is, scumbag.

What? And risk pissing off all the agents and managers that are really running the national team? Why do you think Sarris and company eliminated him from the NT, and even forbade him to travel back with the team from the WC. They needed an NT coach that would kiss theirs and the agent's ass. Why do you think they push Tsanas to be the sidekick for every possible coaching prospect? The situation within the NT is sick. Don't you think the players notice? There is a reason why they don't give a rat's ass about performing for the team. Unless somebody comes in and cleans house, the situation will remain the same. The first step to rebuild this NT is simple. Disolve the current EPO an rebuild it from scratch.

Should have kept Santos.... Also, good to see Fortounis, who is probably the most in form Greek player, be held out for the game. How convenient.

Are you kidding me?? They have no defensive system, they have nobody backing each other up they're easily beat one on one. Look at all the space they give the openings out there, this team does not know how to close the gaps and play unified having each others backs if one guy makes a mistake. They look like lost puppies out there. They are completely out of position all the time. I agree they are not attacking because they can't. They need to become that team that doesn't give the opposition an inch of space, a team that suffocates the other teams players and only takes chances when we have the opportunity. If we don't do that and neglect our defense first mentaility then we will continue to lose against the weakest teams. Look at the match against Colombia we created a lot of chances we hit a few goal posts but we let in 3, look at the game against Finland we dominated the play but once again we conceded a goal We have allowed goals in almost every game and even worse we are allowing 3 goals against in 2 games versus FI, Northern Irleland have scored 5 goals against in 2 games. Are you starting to see a pattern?? I can go on on. Let's take a look at the main issue and get back to boring suffacting defensive soccer as it's the only way we can play.

So we continue to 'produce' CD..... Oikonomou and now Tzanetopoulos join the long list.. Sokratis,K.Pap. Manolas,Siovas,Moras..... the midfield we can rattle off 10 + names...but still can't get a combination that is functional....(Samaris,Taxi,Kone, Mandalos, Pelkas, Fortounis, Bouchalakis, Petsos, Ninis,Lazaros) However regarding strikers we are very bare.....

The lack of urgency and lack of intensity is glaringly obvious.... There is no doubt that in the first 30 mins of this match that one could see that the Greeks were the better 'footballers' and why they play for bigger clubs... but they approach the task as if it's the first session of pre season...walking pace, strolling around the pitch...Mitro's attitude was appalling... no pressure on the defence.... Tziolis should never play again..... Samaris needs a spell on the bench.... Not sure what Karelis purpose is? I would like to see Bouchalakis (when fit and playing) get a game next to Fortounis and Taxi.... I am not sure who the two wide players should be? Kone? Lazaros? Fetfa? Maybe Mavrias if he finds a club and form.. As for Mitro and Klaus the new coach needs to put a rocket up them...Or drop them..

That 2005 side was nothing special. The defied the odds and had a protagonist in gerrard who showed his resilience time and time again. Made for some fun viewing though, especially the last group game against olympiakos, with gerrard netting the winner right at the end.

Must add losing a player like Karagounis was always going to be hard to replace, he played with heart and passion. These blokes we got now don't give a f*ck they care more for their selfies and their tatts than they do representing their nation and it showed after we lost and some of these spastics were seen a day later on a Mykonos beach.

Imagine paying money and travelling to sth Africa or Austria as example to watch that sh*t passing sideways and backwards, its frustrating. When they are organised properly or have their backs against the wall (example Russia in Euro 2012) they can get the result they need. But as its said above we don't have the players for attacking flair. These results have been disappointing and embarrassing but it will turn around, sooner rather than later.....

Aek66 nails exactly what I feel and does such a good job I won't bother adding to his well articulated points aside to reiterate that the playing ability at disposal is good enough to turn this around given the right managerial appointment. The new team needs to be a psychologist though. F**k EPO as well.

Marinakis and EPO go hand in hand. Girtzikis and Sarris were his guys.

For everyone out here that wanted to see Greece change there"boring style" of just defending and wanted to see this team open it up and be an attacking team, well you got half of your wish the team surely changed there style. Come on guys the only way for the Greeks to win is everyone collapses back and attacks when we get a chance or of a set piece. This is the only way Greece can play soccer and if you think otherwise you are kidding yourself. We don't have those offensive type of players. Sitting back and defending is our only way to get back to tieing and winning games maybe we don't deserve. If we continue to not play that way then we will continue to see results like tonight or like in the FI games. I'm pretty sure everyone here would be happy with a 1-0 win and some 0-0 draws rather then getting spanked and allowing at least a goal a game and losing to MINNOWS which sadly we have now become.

I haven't seen the shirt incident, but if it was as described I think he just quit the team in disgust. It's a loss for us - he has been one of our better players when he played. Reaper is right - this will be overblown and will overshadow the bad decision making of the EPO and the lack of respect for the shirt the the rest of the team has shown by its play on the field.

Its just funny how the head governing body of football is run by people who know 0 about football. Like seriously EPO has to be the worst federation in the game, make no effort to remove corruption from the national league, make no effort to improve the grass roots im the country, what have they contributed to Greek football? Nothing as far as I can think of.

Spanoulis non existent one more time. Think twice when you want to call this player a leader

Holebas threw his jersey on the ground after trhe game and disnt go to the travelling supporters. What a piece pf s%$#! who wouldnt be where he is now if it wasnt for us.

I can't see any reason for Fortounis to not be on the field. My suspicion is that Tsanas was "instructed" to not play him. After all, what's the point, the campaign is over. Nothing else makes sense. Why wouldn't you play your best player ??

The difference in passion the Republic of Ireland showed in one game tonight beating Germany was more than Ii have seen from Greece all year. At least Aravidis broke his NT duck.........

Just for the record gazette and sentragoal are reporting this as well.

If they are the only site reporting the truth and not under the influence of Fatso.... Perhaps you should copy paste from protathlitis on............ Your Asteras thread(!) and leave us be... :lol:

u like paste and copy or copy and paste?

to katotero protathlima pou yaprxei ,einai to elliniko leei o moras lol. they didn't like the question "" are you motivated"" but it is a legit question,these guys are millionaires after they lost to faroe islands they were lying on a beach in mykono ,where as the fans went to their jobs if they are lucky enough to have a job in factories for below minimum wage,upset over the loss,while the millionaire players couldn't care less,thats how it comes across when you lying on a beach on Mykonos the next day..