Sollied

[dipapa]

He is a lot better than a number of phychos we had as coaches in recent years but overall it looks to me that he is a Lemonis with better packaging.

I agree with most of your observations (except that they are not safe, it's really too early for final conclusions about the preseason work) but I think you need to reconsider the comparison with Lemonis. The latter was a completely incompetent coach. Olympiakos simply wasn't a team then, they were a bunch of walkers who expected to win by personal outbreaks. At least at offending, we are a TEAM now. I don't understand why some fans can't see that under Lemonis we were cafeneio, perhaps it is because of the Rizoupoli game.

Probably Sollied is an average coach. A professional average coach that can do good to any Greek team without having to resort to miracles. And please don't confuse averageness with amateurish coaches like Lemonis. I will keep saying that the negative record in home games is due to his offensive mind and the age and defensive abilities of our basic players.

As it was already mentioned, Kokalis should provide him with players that are his first choices. Instead of that, he prefers free players that cost him less money. I would understand Kokalis' mentality if he would only interested in the local league. However, he stated that his ambitions go much further. This year's transfers don't prove that he means what he said.

[Paoktsis]

I also did not vote. I would not fire him. Guys you need to relax, he's undefeated in the Super League (with a perfect record), you hung in there with one of Spain's elite teams for 70 plus minutes, you have 5 games left in CL, and Castillo who has the potential to be a great player (or teams like Chelsea, that's right Chelsea, would not have interest in him) and is excelling under this coach; so to fire him at this point would be a ludicrous and a quick trigger decision. Plus, who said it's always the coach's falt all of the time, players have to take some responsibility sometimes.

Let me ask you a question, if you have a great coach, and he puts a great scheme together, and the players don't execute, who's to blame?

[dipapa]

By the way, Castillo AND Rivaldo were both improved under Sollied. No, it wasn't because his supposed tolerance to the primadonnas. When some stubborn players change mentality, it is because of the coach and not just an automatic process.

No to mention that he dealt with various useless or inexperienced players who were sitting around without playing. A good coach has much more duties than just constructing the best 11ada for a game.

[Crazy]

If they dare to fire him now i will find kokkalis and beat the crap out of him. :box:

[manos]

It seems to me that Sollied hasn't managed to add something to the team. I really doubt he is better than Lemonis or Mantzourakis.

His main objective is to survive by achieving a balance between what the president, the players and the fans want.

He hasn't been able to teach to the team how to play in the defence and how to take the initiative. He just lets the players do whatever it is that they think they can do and we end up without any real strategy. That's why players like Anatolakis, Zewlakow and Cesar who don't understand much about football try to lob the ball towards Konstantinou all the time and destroy our chances of playing creatively.

It is left just to the few guys who are able to understand the tactical side of the match while they are on the pitch like Georgatos and Ribo to try and convince the rest of the team about what they should do. I really see no reason why should Sollied get a salary when his job is done, obviously unsuccessfully, by Georgatos who spends half of the time talking to the rest of the team.

If you have played as a midfielder you can understand Ribo’s frustration when the majority of the balls goes over his head and he is not given the chance to distribute the ball to the forwards. Sollied’s answer to this wass to sub Ribo with a forward so that we can have more of this.

I am wondering if somebody can point out to Sollied that teams have a midfield with not just a defensive role. Maybe in Norway they play football with the defenders and the forwards standing on opposite sides of a river (or fiord) - that would explain their international record – but that’s not the way football is played in the rest of the world.

His transfers have all failed and most of his choices don’t make much sense.

Patsa came back with a very good performance with the national team, he is very confident and his presence would have been inspiring for both players and fans. However, Sollied decided to start with Kafes, obviously doubting Rehagell’s judgement on that. When he finally realised that Kafes was not doing well he decided to sub him with Maric who thought he was playing against Luton and tried to score with a long range free kick. At the same time Sollied kept Anatolakis on the bench for a couple of league matches, but after Anatolakis did well in the national team match he decided to start him.

I have the impression Sollied does not really understand what’s going on around him, just sits on the bench crossing his fingers hoping that he’ll get lucky this time.

I think it’s time Anastopoulos is given his chance.

[dipapa]

I strongly disagree with almost everything in your analysis but I agree that Sollied is too little for Olympiakos. Kokalis must find a new coach for the next season. He must not fire Sollied now (that would be a disaster) but he must start searching.

I think you should think twice before talking about Anastopoulos or Lemonis, happily you didn't mention Alefantos. Sollied is good for our league, actually is better than anyone and he is very good in maintaining peace and discipline (a thing that, in Greek teams, is required as much as performance). But, given the fact that our league is amongst the weakest in Europe, his success in Greece doesn't say much for our european course.

[GreekLunatic]

Dipapa no big name coach will ever come to Greece thats the sad thing. If sollied goes dont be suprise to see Antic at olympiakos

[bar7]

we at PAO have no security with coach even at the moment, with the current contract to Munoz..... Sollied hasnt done more than LeMounis....

Go ahead & fire Sollied....I'll be more than happy to have him as my coach...... He's paying for the Cockkalis sin....Buy the championship & he thinks the team is good.... WHO DID YOU SIGN THIS OFFSEASON TO MAKE YOU BETTER!!!!!! THE REFEREE TO THE NEXT GREEK MATCH????

OOOOOOOOUUUUUUUUUSSSSSSSSSSTTTTTTTTTTTTT

GAVRO PORNI

[dipapa]

GreekLunatic,

In previous decades, big names did came to Greece although it was even more difficult for them to do their job. Of course, they were fired soon. I don't see why a good coach wouldn't come to Greece if the proper conditions are met.

I think that Kokkalis must realize that he has only two choices:

- either convert Oly to a talent powerhouse (with new and talented greek and foreign players) with modest european ambitions and a constant money income

- or acquire a great coach and let him choose the players he want, regardless of the cost. This means a lot of money because you can't get quality players who are free in the market.

I don't see any remote possibility to achieve either of two goals, so we are rather doomed to stay on top in Greece and achieve zero elsewhere. Combine this with the state of the local competition and you 'll realize why greek football is at its lowest and will remain there for the mid-term future.

[bar7]

WAKE UP GAVRI!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

IF ALL THINGS WERE EQUL IN OUR MIGHTY PROTATHLIMA, YOU WOULDNT EVEN FINISH IN 3RD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

its not your coach its our phony league!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I'll take Sollied at PAO.... we have the players to win we need a coach...

FIRE SOLLIED, I AGREE

[Montreal_Thrillos]

we at PAO have no security with coach even at the moment, with the current contract to Munoz..... Sollied hasnt done more than LeMounis....

Go ahead & fire Sollied....I'll be more than happy to have him as my coach...... He's paying for the Cockkalis sin....Buy the championship & he thinks the team is good.... WHO DID YOU SIGN THIS OFFSEASON TO MAKE YOU BETTER!!!!!! THE REFEREE TO THE NEXT GREEK MATCH????

OOOOOOOOUUUUUUUUUSSSSSSSSSSTTTTTTTTTTTTT

GAVRO PORNI

if anyone signed the ref this year... just look at the team on your logo..

but he brought toure . thats about it.. then he left.

[dipapa]

Montreal_Thrillos, trolls die when you don't feed them but, on the contrary, you choose to respond to his idiotic statements (that Osfp would normally finish behind current Pao and Aekaki is a statement which either easily excels his usual trolling abilities or simply shows how incredibly stupid he is). Anyway, it's up to you to choose whom to respond :whistle:

[aiolosply]

people just take it easy!There is no manager issue in Olympiakos and there will not be!

He might need to re-think his tactics with the current roster thats all

the problem in greece is that there are NO teams to compete with Olympiakos and that makes the team to rely on the same players for yrs now......if any of the other losers would have a competitive team olympiakos would have changed his roster by now

football is fun...if u r not greek:(

[slick13]

i am willing to place a bet that sollied will be gone before 1st january!

the pressure from gate 7 will kick him out!

his time is up

[aiolosply]

i didnt see any pressure on sollied yesterday slick!

they didnt even yell at the players...because they know that kokkalis has a great share of the failure...gate7 attacked Roma's bus for gods sake!!!!just because gate7 wanted what sollied wanted..a tie, and romans took the victory(wow...lets kill them!)

people have faith in sollied...and it can last until the end of the season if things go fishy...

[CH-Thrylos]

guys, i think you forget something about sollied. he is building a new team and has to change nearly every spot. mantzourakis, lemonis, katanec, bajevic the second time, etc, the all had a team that was more or less ready. players who knew each others moves and the style of play. sollied has to do the same thing as bajevic had ten years ago.

if djole, geo, ribo, anatolakis, etc were a few years younger our team would look different. but honestly i think their time is really up now. they were players the team could relie on, domestically and in europe, but their time is over now. they might get what they need in greece, but it is not enough anymore for europe...

[manos]

I strongly disagree with almost everything in your analysis but I agree that Sollied is too little for Olympiakos. Kokalis must find a new coach for the next season. He must not fire Sollied now (that would be a disaster) but he must start searching.

I think you should think twice before talking about Anastopoulos or Lemonis, happily you didn't mention Alefantos. Sollied is good for our league, actually is better than anyone and he is very good in maintaining peace and discipline (a thing that, in Greek teams, is required as much as performance). But, given the fact that our league is amongst the weakest in Europe, his success in Greece doesn't say much for our european course.

I didn't mention Alefantos because I didn't mean Alefantos.

I don't know what you have against Anastopoulos, has he been tested and failed?

I think as an Olympiakos fan you should think twice before talking about Anastopoulos, maybe you are young and you don't know the history of your team.

I suppose Lemonis is worse than Sollied because his record is worse or maybe because we now play much better football or because we are now building a team of youngsters and we will improve next year?

Sollied is better than anybody else in the greek league because he has got the highest budget. The same thing happened with all our coaches in the last nine years, it doesn't mean they were the best around.

If Sollied is not good enough as you say why should we keep him? We can get a coach that has the potential to offer something next year and give him half a year to build the team he wants. I don't see any big risks with the league here, even Giannis Kollias would win it given the opposition.

[slick13]

i didnt see any pressure on sollied yesterday slick!

they didnt even yell at the players...because they know that kokkalis has a great share of the failure...gate7 attacked Roma's bus for gods sake!!!!just because gate7 wanted what sollied wanted..a tie, and romans took the victory(wow...lets kill them!)

people have faith in sollied...and it can last until the end of the season if things go fishy...

at the end of the game the majority of the fans where whistling and shouting!

it is not a bad thing it is like waking both players and coach up!

ps! i condem the stone-flare and rock throwing after the game!

it was not romas fault youre players did not yet again reach the expectations from the fans

[dipapa]

people just take it easy!There is no manager issue in Olympiakos and there will not be!

He might need to re-think his tactics with the current roster thats all

the problem in greece is that there are NO teams to compete with Olympiakos and that makes the team to rely on the same players for yrs now......if any of the other losers would have a competitive team olympiakos would have changed his roster by now

football is fun...if u r not greek:(

Problem is he had more than a year to re-think about his groundless tactics. How much patience has been left? But I wholeheartedly agree with all you said about the lack of competition.

[dipapa]

I think as an Olympiakos fan you should think twice before talking about Anastopoulos, maybe you are young and you don't know the history of your team.

Most likely, I am older than you or anyone else in this forum. I never liked him as a player btw, despite his contribution to the team. anyway, this is a matter of preferences. However, being a good player doesn't mean that he will be a good coach too. Please bring us the big titles of Anastopoulos (as a coach) and I 'll admit that he should be given a chance.

I suppose Lemonis is worse than Sollied because his record is worse or maybe because we now play much better football or because we are now building a team of youngsters and we will improve next year?

I 'll repeat myself in that under Lemonis we played the worst football in the last decade, there was no tactics, discipline, physical abilities and scouting (remember that a coach has many other duties). Players were walking and, from time to time, we would see a personal "explosion". If you tell me that, under Sollied, we play exactly the same way all the time, then you are blind.

Sollied is better than anybody else in the greek league because he has got the highest budget. The same thing happened with all our coaches in the last nine years, it doesn't mean they were the best around.

Every opponent who is not a fanatical admits that, with Sollied Osfp, won two of the most "clean" championships (as much clean a greek league could be). Can you say the same for Lemonis?

If Sollied is not good enough as you say why should we keep him? We can get a coach that has the potential to offer something next year and give him half a year to build the team he wants. I don't see any big risks with the league here, even Giannis Kollias would win it given the opposition.

So what you are suggesting is to fire Sollied now, create havoc in the team, loose the slightest possibility of advancing in uefa and give room to our greek competitors. Kollias has been tested in the past, we don't need more amateurish experiments like this one. So, find the big name first then fire Sollied. You remember Bigon, don't you?

[TRIFILARA]

we at PAO have no security with coach even at the moment, with the current contract to Munoz..... Sollied hasnt done more than LeMounis....

Go ahead & fire Sollied....I'll be more than happy to have him as my coach...... He's paying for the Cockkalis sin....Buy the championship & he thinks the team is good.... WHO DID YOU SIGN THIS OFFSEASON TO MAKE YOU BETTER!!!!!! THE REFEREE TO THE NEXT GREEK MATCH????

OOOOOOOOUUUUUUUUUSSSSSSSSSSTTTTTTTTTTTTT

GAVRO PORNI

:LOL: :LOL: :LOL: :LOL: :LOL: :LOL:

re.. they sign the refs every year.... who needs new players??? :LOL:

[dipapa]

they didnt even yell at the players...because they know that kokkalis has a great share of the failure..

How true... He put a large sum of money into his pocket and forced Sollied to choose among cheap free players. This is why I say that Sollied is not our only problem. But we can't get rid of Kokkalis, can we? :D

[manos]

Most likely, I am older than you or anyone else in this forum. I never liked him as a player btw, despite his contribution to the team. anyway, this is a matter of preferences. However, being a good player doesn't mean that he will be a good coach too. Please bring us the big titles of Anastopoulos (as a coach) and I 'll admit that he should be given a chance.

Were you in the Olympic Stadium against Ajax? Have you seen Anastopoulos playing in his Panionios days? You might have any opinion you like about him as a player, but it 's not a matter of preferences it's a matter of whether you undestand the basics of football or not and I am sorry to say that you clearly don't.

Anastopoulos doesn't need to prove to anybody that he is worth a chance, the day he'll walk into Karaskaiki as a coach try to be there so that you can understand what it means to be an Olympiakos fan.

I 'll repeat myself in that under Lemonis we played the worst football in the last decade, there was no tactics, discipline, physical abilities and scouting (remember that a coach has many other duties). Players were walking and, from time to time, we would see a personal "explosion". If you tell me that, under Sollied, we play exactly the same way all the time, then you are blind.

So 6-2 against Bayern Leverkuzen just after they played the champions league final was the worst football we played in the last decade? I suppose getting beat by Rozenburg at home under Sollied is the best you have seen in this decade?

So what was Sollied's tactics yesterday, get the ball to Konstantinou from the defense? Is that what he is working on with the team this one year and a half. Brilliant!!!

Physical abilities are almost non existent this year, discipline is good in the army and Sollied's scouting has resulted in 10 transfers and 9 players on the bench and 1 in Monaco.

I really think you don't understand what you are talking about!!!

[pittman13]

as i said...

bajevic outside....

psolied inside....

and as thr intell chip on tv indicates (for the gavroi watsin tv)

STUPID OUTSIDE....

[dipapa]

manos, keep thinking as you do but isolating selected events won't strengthen your arguments. nor insulting will do. In my book you are a typical gate 7 sheep so I'm not interested in talking you anymore.