Panionios v Olympiacos

[XXX-18T]

I vote CH - Thryllos as OSFP moderator as he is the wisest and fairest of them all

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The other clowns need to either learn how to read or take off their red glasses cos its making them blind :LOL: :LOL: :LOL:

[Montreal_Thrillos]

I vote CH - Thryllos as OSFP moderator as he is the wisest and fairest of them all

:nw: :nw: :nw: :nw: :nw:

The other clowns need to either learn how to read or take off their red glasses cos its making them blind :LOL: :LOL: :LOL:

u only like him cause he doesnt contradict the stuff u guys write as much as other people do

if he did you would gang up on him

and while youre at it.. take out our big red glasses and learn how to spell quarter in your signature

and he calls us blind

[XXX-18T]

what are u talking about :whistle:

[Montreal_Thrillos]

what are u talking about :whistle:

exactly!

[LUZ13]

I thought a lot about the riots

i must say i was in shock

Afterwards I began to contemplate this fenomen frrom another point of view

I asked myself: Who was interested to bolw out the game??

I am not thinking about the so called fans which get some kinki kick from street fights in a football stadium

Those fans where almost encouraged to do what they did, as theu were not very inteligent to say the least, they fell into the trap

Somebody or some organization , one or more, won something from all this/

NOw who??

Obviously not Oly, on the contrary, Oly is the one who lost more from all this

Oly is a better team than Panonius and was the favorite to win the game.

Those so called fans did a anti-Oly campain. WHo ganis from an anti Oly campain

You can answer that yourself

Panonious officials escorted all those hooligans buses to the stadioum?? somebody did. Why did not the police and Panonius security stopped the buses far from the stadium like they do in Madrid and Sevilla for example??

Well , I think you see my point

Somebody was interestied to break a riot. Not Oly, because they lose the most/

Now, what is to be done in MHO

First , a thorough investigation has to be done in order to find the agitators and iniciators of all this, and they must be looked after among those who gain somthing

Furthermore, Oly administration have to detach itself from this group

I am sure everybody knows who they are

Laporta did this in Barcelona, he stopped the BOixis nois, Barça radicals

They were banned from the stadium as a gruop that sits together, some of the agitators were banned altogether and complains to the police had been made.

They are violent group and Gaspart, the former president, was literally afraid of them and did nothing

Laporta did, and got some death threats from them, but he won , and things like the pighead thrown at Figo will not happen again

Now it is Kokalis turn. It is his responssibility to do it for the benefit of the club and the big majority of the fans that are just that :football fans

IMHO Panpnious must be punished harshly, they did nothing to prevent the hooligans form entering. They dismantled their own stadium, they let Beos into the stadium to provoke..

THey had to engage security forces outside the sadium to avoid what happened inside- May be they wanted to save money on security, they will have to pay much more to rebuild their stadium

I also think that the hooligans has to return their membership cards if they have an,´and pay personaly for the damage , everyone of them.

About the punishment

DO you want to give this power to the hooligans? Do they have to determine the Greek championship? Even a Pana fan wrote here that he does not want to win the championship this way

Furthermore, Rivaldo and co. do not have any blame in all this, they even did not show up from the dressing room. THey just wanted to play football. That is why rivaldo and the ohers came to Greece for.

I think that Oly and other clubs have to be given a deadline , some date untill which they have to detach themselves from the ultras, give their names to the police and ban them from the stadium as a group

Untill that is done, no away fans will be let into the stadiums (not as a group)

, nobody will control the indviduals for their thoughts , but a better control in the entrance, confiscating any colc arms or bottles etc. Fans have to carry an ID , and maybe video cameras can be used to identify peace disturbers. Everyone which destroy seats etc. will be fined personally for the damage he made. i assure U that afterwords he will think twice.

After the deadline, any team that does not comply will be punished very severely for every incident

I know that you think I am crazy, but such things had been done before in more than one country. It did help, especially the big personals fine, everybody hurts most when being targetted on his pocket.

Greece succceeded to keep the order in the Olympics ( except the sad incident with the Brazilian Maratone ranner) So Greece can do it , even if that mean

that every spectator will have to pay one or two euros for security.

Now, what do you think??

Will the real guilty be punishe or the easy eay of "looking under the lantern" will be chosen, fining the clubs and deduct the points , punishing the inocent (the players in this case) because that is easier to carry out

I wish all the injured a quick recovery, and i hope that the cup game today will be a good one, I want to see samba in the port and not tsunami in the stadium

[Elastonpappou 13]

Well believe what you like but WE are NOT the same. Actually we are not even near... ;)

And in regards to your research in the web about the Leoforos game did you manage to find the reason for it? Let me educate you then, the riots took place because the government suddently dicided to bring 5.000!!!! MAT to protect you Kotopoula players while few months back at Rizoupoli these MAT clowns were nowhere to be seen while our players were getting attacked and terrorised!!! For that only WE ARE NOT THE SAME!!! We have no mercenaries, no TSOUKALADES, no Government officials to donate football grounds to us, no grenades in peoples gardens, no kotopoula me kranh, and no klapsa at National TV... Apart from the few above things yes we are the same....

[Panos13]

Luz:

You don't know all the facts. How can you say Oly had nothing to lose?

A majority of Oly fans didn't have tickets and were pissed off by this. There is a big group of Oly fans, usually organised by Gate7 and Protathlitis, who fight with violence and issue threats to anyone who does anything they don't like. This is exactly what they decided to do against Panionios.

Do you read Greek?

[Panos13]

And by the way, Kokalis does NOT want to detach himself from these animals. He set them up in the first place (the newspaper, the TV station, the programmes) and they are his employees.

[Guest Protathlitis]

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u cant even spell protathlima let alone win it

[Montreal_Thrillos]

u know what.. u can sit there and blame us for everything like u always do

but in the end u guys are just as bad in terms of violence .

all the stuf fu wrote about our papers...turth or no truth.. u guys are just as bad,.

tora if u refuse to believe it.,, thats your opinion..!

[Montreal_Thrillos]

Well believe what you like but WE are NOT the same. Actually we are not even near... ;)

And in regards to your research in the web about the Leoforos game did you manage to find the reason for it? Let me educate you then, the riots took place because the government suddently dicided to bring 5.000!!!! MAT to protect you Kotopoula players while few months back at Rizoupoli these MAT clowns were nowhere to be seen while our players were getting attacked and terrorised!!! For that only WE ARE NOT THE SAME!!! We have no mercenaries, no TSOUKALADES, no Government officials to donate football grounds to us, no grenades in peoples gardens, no kotopoula me kranh, and no klapsa at National TV... Apart from the few above things yes we are the same....

so what u r trying to say is that the police should not have been there to protect OSFP fans because they werent there for you at Rizoupoli?

so if 5000 mat werent there and somehow a OSFP fan knock on wood dies to no police present then its acceptable because the cops were not there at rizoupoli ?

an argument like that wont hold up in court my friend

[Elastonpappou 13]

THE EASIEST THING TO DO IS TO PUT EVERYONE IN THE SAME BASKET!!!!

YOU PEOPLE ARE USED TO BEING THE MASSES BUT WE ARE NOT!!!

I SIMPLY REFUSE TO ACCEPT THAT EVERYBODY IS THE SAME WITH EVERYBODY!!!! YOU ARE NOT THE SAME WITH PAO OR AEK OR ANY OTHER TEAM'S FANS!!! ACCEPT IT, THAT IS THE PRICE OF BEING WITH THE MASSES!!! ;)

[Montreal_Thrillos]

THE EASIEST THING TO DO IS TO PUT EVERYONE IN THE SAME BASKET!!!!

YOU PEOPLE ARE USED TO BEING THE MASSES BUT WE ARE NOT!!!

I SIMPLY REFUSE TO ACCEPT THAT EVERYBODY IS THE SAME WITH EVERYBODY!!!! YOU ARE NOT THE SAME WITH PAO OR AEK OR ANY OTHER TEAM'S FANS!!! ACCEPT IT, THAT IS THE PRICE OF BEING WITH THE MASSES!!! ;)

u r the one that puts everyone in the same masses u say well 99.9 % of greece is like this like that

anyways violence is violence

im not syaing are fans are worse or yours are were all the same

but i just have 1 thing to say..

-was the chair throwing necessary

- was the chants at the paok game neccessary

-was the violence this wekeend necessary

was the bombing of aeks fan club necessary

The answer is no

[LUZ13]

I did not say Oly has nothing to lose, I say they have nothing to WIN from such a situation, as they were favorits to win the match in normal circumstnces, snd in case of win they could be solitary leader´so why woukd the Oli clib want to blow out the game??

And if Kokalis does not want to detach himself from those group (maybe he is afraid, like Gaspart was)this is very serious, and them maybe Oly have to get rid of him

We in Barça got rid of

Gaspart in a demmocratic elections and chose l

Laporta who got rid of the violent ultras

But this is not logical´, what does the president WIN by that? He harm the team and that is not good for him.

And furthermore, I said the PLAYERS are not guilty, and I sitck by it.

Read again, and of course I do not know all the facts ,and I suspect that neither do you, so I insisted on thorough invesigation

If it is not possible it is really lamentable

Actually, i do not even know if there are elections in Oly or the team is actually owned bu the president-

I just thought that it will be logical and positive to detach the Club from those violent minoruty because it is harmful to Oly and it is not moral and a bad exampleto the childeren fans

Well, maybe I am inocent , but I put my hand in fire for some players that I do know and am sure they think the same.

[CH-Thrylos]

i feel honored to get so many compliments by pao supporters.

about the stuff i wrote which lead to a small discussion:

first of all i am a osfp supporter, for years now. and i really love my team. maybe for some other gavrous in here it doesnt seem so, but it is like that.

just an example what i have sacrificed for my team:

it was summer, i was in greece for nearly two months already. champions league draw was just announced. osfp would play the first match in greece. my plane ticket back to switzerland expired at the end of august, but the match would be in the beginning of september. so i decided i would stay in greece till 2 days after the match. my girlfriend told me, if i would stay for the match she wants to come down too. so i paid half of her plane ticket. additionally i had to buy another ticket to get home. during the same time i would have had the opportunity to get a lot of money for a one month job in switzerland.

but i stayed. all in all with the tickets for the game i lost about 2500 euros.

but i didnt care. i would go to a cl match in greece! against a big team! how nice life could be! :D

back to the match. it was against ManU. in 2001. i think everybody knows what happened. :(

back to the topic. about fans, i dont understand why we always have to compare each other. like posted earlier: pao and aek fans are also no angels and are causing a lot of trouble sometimes.

but as far as i realized it in the news, websites, etc. most of the times when you hear something about riots osfp fans are involved. the other ones involved with our fans are pao, aek, paok, ofi. sometimes aris and panionios. AGAINST osfp fans. that there are fighting fans in the derbies is out of question. there are nearly alway problems with opposing fans at the derbies. this includes also pao-aek, pao-paok, aek-paok, etc. BUT these fans are not involved in riots as many times as osfp fans. and i am sick of it. these people hurt their club no matter what team they support.

i completely agree with mtl and 11 that pao fans are not much better than osfp fans. and that is something that pappou and xxx and all the other pao fans in here have to accept too, or the aektzides and paoktzides, the same for them. but a part of our fans, not all of them, are just the worst scum that is walking around in greek stadiums. i defend my team and our fans against anything, but i cant defend people like the ones in nea smyrni and i dont want to.

about throwing chairs and stuff, that happens nearly every weekend in greece and really is nothing compared to what was going on on sunday. that could even happen here in switzerland (it would be called a riot here though :LOL:). but all these actions just harm the teams and greek football.

finally the discussion about who has the better or worse fans will end up in an endless discussion again.

p.s. @xxx: the stuff about childish behaviour was also said because of you :P ;)

[Panos13]

Luz:

Kokalis has reared and fed the mouths of these hooligans who you now say he should detach from. He set up the Protathlitis newspaper to run by ultra fans in order that they print what he wants to say but can't because he is supposed to be a respected president of a big football club. Don't you see? It is well-known in Greece that he often hides behind these fans and the newspaper and the TV station and TV programmes on this station who do the talking for him in the name of democracy while he keeps quiet publicly.

So you see why he doesn't want to detach from them? He has great interest in them staying alive.

Many years ago the owner of Panathinaikos, Vardinnogiannis, ordered the storming and closure of organised PAO fans called Gate13 because they were responsible for many violent acts at football grounds. He disbanded all of these fan clubs and their official connection with PAE PAO. Although these fan groups still exist but they are not recognised by the club anymore. Instead he set up PALEFIP which is run by the club itself.

Now, whether this was good or bad and whether PALEFIP are yes-men or not is another topic of discussion. One thing for sure is you never see any trouble from PALEFIP members at football grounds.

[CH-Thrylos]

some of the listed steps above sound very good, but i dont think it will happen.

as for same or not same: i wonder how some of you pao fans, who make the majority in here to judge the happenings, would have reacted if this would have happened with your fans. :whistle: and dont tell me this wouldnt have happened. we saw in the past what some of your fans are able to do. i think most of you would react exactly the same as mtl and 11 are.

p.s.: some of luz

[Guest Protathlitis]

ACCEPT IT ELASTON: A HOOLIGAN IS A HOOLIGAN

THE ONLY REASON OSFP HOOLIGANS ARE MORE NUMEROUS IS THAT OSFP HAS EASILY THE MOST FANS IN GREECE. WHEN I SAY SAME I MEAN THAT THEY ARE THE SAME KIND OF CRIMINAL. THE ACTS OF VIOLENCE THEY HAVE PERPATRATED ARE AS BAD AS EACH OTHER

and you come here to tell us Olympiakos are blameless?!!!!!!!!!

panos, how can YOU MISS THE POINT SO COMPLETELY? WE ARE NOT SAYING THAT OSFP IS NOT TO BLAME FOR THIS PARTICULAR BOUT OF HOOLIGANISM, WHAT WE ARE SAYING IS, IS THAT THE AEK AND PAO ARE ALSO COMPLETELY TO BLAME FOR THE HOOLIGANISM OF THEIR FANS DURING THE WEEK AND THEREFORE OSFP IS NOT TO BLAME FOR THE WHOLE PROBLEM OF HOOLIGANISM IN GREECE!!!!!

pao's gay managment encourages hooliganism just like kokkalis does!!!!

So there nothing to argue about anymore is there? STOP WHINING EVERY HINT OF A CHANCE YOU GET!!!

[XXX-18T]

p.s. @xxx: the stuff about childish behaviour was also said because of you  :P  ;)

u are right my behaviour was childish but i was just mirroring 011 as he writes crap!

sorry bout the childish behaviour B)

Reason why we like u not cos u agree with us but cos ur approach is mature and fair towards issues :)

[Guest Protathlitis]

Reason why we like u not cos u agree with us but cos ur approach is mature and fair towards issues 

Looks like you've got a nice little cheer squad CH-Thrylos, to bad its full of gays :LOL: :LOL:

[drakos13]

it was summer, i was in greece for nearly two months already. champions league draw was just announced. osfp would play the first match in greece. my plane ticket back to switzerland expired at the end of august, but the match would be in the beginning of september. so i decided i would stay in greece till 2 days after the match. my girlfriend told me, if i would stay for the match she wants to come down too. so i paid half of her plane ticket. additionally i had to buy another ticket to get home. during the same time i would have had the opportunity to get a lot of money for a one month job in switzerland.

but i stayed. all in all with the tickets for the game i lost about 2500 euros.

but i didnt care. i would go to a cl match in greece! against a big team! how nice life could be! :D

back to the match. it was against ManU. in 2001. i think everybody knows what happened. :(

CH-Thrinos:

i wouldnt say thats sacrifice for your team... thats being whipped!!! :LOL:

ironic thing is you werent the only one really whipped that week !!! :LOL: :P

[Montreal_Thrillos]

Reason why we like u not cos u agree with us but cos ur approach is mature and fair towards issues :)

and what mature and fair issues do most of u guys come up with in here?

[NYC_Olympiakos]

i hear that their is strong possibility that Olympiakos and Panionios might lose points and 1-5 matches

look i understand that the league wants to make an example of this situation hoping it would never occur again

but lets me honest if Olympiakos loses points and they lose the championship by a point do u think the fans of Olympiakos would allow that

i mean to taint the championship would be wrong on that sense

i mean if u want ot hurt Olympiakos then ban them for 2 games at Karaiskaki at most (they shouldn't even be ban a game but i can understand the reason (u would be hurting Kokkalis pocket which pao really wants

but let me state this again 2,000 Olympiakos fans came with the presence of officers and the game was played in Panionios .

the best thing to do is to find out those that were really responsible and hunt them down and punish them severly

England cleaned up its mess a few years ago and it used to be just has bad

now they have packed stadia which Greek clubs need

but taking away points from the leader and maybe the deciding points for the championship is wrong period

[XXX-18T]

Reason why we like u not cos u agree with us but cos ur approach is mature and fair towards issues

[Vasili0s]

if Olympiakos loses points and they lose the championship by a point do u think the fans of Olympiakos would allow that

i mean to taint the championship would be wrong on that sense

Look, you dont get it do you ? It has to start N O W ! With everyone and everything.

If something goes WRONG you get deductions on your merry points list, THATS JUST HOW IT GOES, welcome to world football ! We SHOULD get points deducted, nice cash down the drain and a 4,5 home match ban, as Panionios should the same and Beos well thats another matter. (ah re m#$%!)

Im patiently waiting for the final descision.