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Good to see fro Chori.

the country is run by rock throwing political agitators...   the symbolism of a cup final in an empty stadium probably  makes their ideological hearts very happy...another strike against imperialism

AEK vs Olympiakos Date - Saturday, 7th May 2016 Venue - OAKA, Athens Competition - Greek Cup Round - Final Time - 21:00 (Greece time)

As I said yesterday last time e played in the final it all went well, there was no massive dramas inside the stadium.

 

I know the 2 owners have changed the face of the league with their power trips and there is more hatred between both clubs, but its still no excuse to not have fans at a final which would surely fill OAKA.

 

Lets see what this final has to offer, just hope there are no p*****es and the game can be played fairly and be one we can remember like the last final.

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well this game will have no fans because only Olympiacos has stated it is ridiculous that all games in the Cup without fans is ridiculous just because what PAOK fans did. If Tiger said something - that would have put a bit more pressure on Kontonis, but as with this whole mess, if Tiger thinks he is hurting Marinakis, he will hurt AEK just to enjoy it. Syriza in general are uncomfortable with the idea of capitalist structures like selling tickets in the first place. 

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Actually Kontonis flip flopped on restarting the Cup because to the absolute shock and horror of Savvidis,.....   Meli. Alafouzos and Marinakis all teamed up against Kontonis, so it 100% matters what Meli says about fan bans in the Cup. Greek MPs are not some Age of Ultron powerful figures, they are weak, scared gossips who bow and buckle to any type of pressure. 

 

If Meli, Marinakis and Alafouzos came out and issued a joint statement that the fan ban should only apply to PAOK in the Cup, that would heap pressure on Kontonis. Silence - gives Kontonis strength to manifest his bizarro plans. 

 

Silence encourages the tormentor, never the tormented.

 

If you are neutral in situations of injustice, you have chosen the side of the oppressor. 

 

Of course AEK and Olympiacos should have fans at the final with a massive buffer zone between them. This fan ban only suits two people, Kontonis and Savvidis. Meli should be pressured to do the best for AEK, not the best for his ego. Same with all club presidents.

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Reaper first of all Grexit was never going to happen, was all a ploy to clear out EPO which is something needed and had to be done, so those saying Meli backed this and that or this guy didn't say that is all a bunch of bullshit because these decisions would've been made regardless of what one guy says.

 

As for the crowd, I didn't hear Meli say he did or didn't want a crowd there so lets not assume and say things like "if he said it that would've put pressure on Kontonis" even if Meli said he wanted the crowd do you think Kontonis would've allowed a crowd? The guy has done kolotouba after kolotouba, said we would have a foreign ref and that hasn't happened, said there would be students, that hasn't happened. So as I said regardless of what Meli could've or should've said, Kontonis would've done what he wanted just like he did with the promises he had when the kypello was re-started

 

We need to move on from this president didn't say this and that president said that, its become a farce and a circus, who cares what one president did or didn't say, I care about my team and what they do on the pitch, off it doesn't bother me if Meli didn't back this guy or Meli said this to that guy.....

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Reaper first of all Grexit was never going to happen, was all a ploy to clear out EPO which is something needed and had to be done, so those saying Meli backed this and that or this guy didn't say that is all a bunch of bullshit because these decisions would've been made regardless of what one guy says.

 

 

That is not what happened. The Greek media and everyone else noticed the flip flop and that happened soon after Tiger and Marinakis visited Maximus mansion. Kontonis promised he would not back down unless all 15 members of the EPO quit. Not one quit and Tsipras was backing Kontonis up until zero hour along with most the media. What destroyed Kontonis was Meli not wanting to lose Uefa competition money along with Marinakis and Alafouzos. Savvidis was devastated by the flip flop.

 

 

 

As for the crowd, I didn't hear Meli say he did or didn't want a crowd there

 

Silence encourages the tormentor, never the tormented.

 

If you are neutral in situations of injustice, you have chosen the side of the oppressor. 

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Did 7 of them not stand down last I read?

You say Meli never said he wanted a crowd there but I didn't hear Marinakis come out and say he wanted a crowd there either.

Let it go dude seriously these 2 guys are taking all the attention off football. Who cares what one guy says and what another doesn't say.

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After everything that went down today, Melissanidis better follow through on his threat of not showing up unless the assistant refs are changed to Sidiropoulos' normal assistants for European games... If he doesn't follow through and we play the game with the current refs then he's dead to me and an even bigger gataki than I thought.

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EPO are w bunch of F***wits that's all that can be said, every single one of them should step down the pieces of s%$#! have put their egos above two teams playing a final, why not do what you agreed? Why have this fiasco now? Xeftiles

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Unfortunately, I agree with you Greekfreak. I use to set my alarm for 2, 3am in the morning to watch, if I was lucky enough to get a stream. It makes me angry so I don't think I'll watch any more, maybe I'll pick a team to follow properly in the EPL.

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When Tiger, Savvidis and Kontonis allow the games to be played. They hold Greek football hostage now. Pretty much everything possible has been done to stop the Cup - just to delay Olympiacos players' holidays. Petty yes, but this is Greece. When the final is finally played, there will be some very unhappy people in Greece.

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The final cant be played on the 15th EPO are a bunch of dropkicks, it has been stopped for 10 days so how the hell can they schedule it 8 days later?

 

Reaper seriously dude Meli is not the one that will allow the final to be played move on from the "meli said this or meli wont let this happen" or "savvidis is stopping this" its become a circus, they have an opinion yes but they DO NOT have the authority to allow the game to be played.

 

Instead of bagging Meli and co why not bag EPO who have gone against what was agreed? Is that normal in your eyes is it? Hardly ever hear you say anything about EPO and their antics but when it comes to Meli you are full of theories.....

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Reaper these assist refs appointed were recently seen sitting in a suite in the Karaiskaki watching an Oly game, do you not see that as an issue? Is that normal in your eyes is it? F*** imagine Meli had refs in a suite at OAKA Oly fans would be losing their s%$#! but when Oly does it its ok for that to happen.....

 

But you still worry about Meli and what he said and didn't say and overlook the real issues at hand.

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To my knowledge only the ref was agreed upon, not his linesman, which are at times rotated. So that blows the Kontonis agreed on the linesman/ 4th official theory out the water. There are rumours Meli met with Kontonis hours before the storm, if this is proved true... it makes sense.

 

Secondly when Girtzikis was appointed I stated he was useless - many times and a poor choice. So to say I never talk about the EPO is not true Original Sydney.  Meli and everyone else on the AEK forum was silent. In fact Meli made no statement - rare for him. No one on this forum for example questioned why Kontonis did NOTHING after OFI fans invaded the pitch and beat up Ialysos players. Where are the Green factory theories on why OFI were not even docked points? :huh: Kontonis said ALL hooliganism is because of corruption.. is that why OFI fans did what they did? You would think after the stink PAO/PAOK made about their own docked points due to violence, they would want to pursue this OFI immunity, but they didn't... neither did the ''media.'' Where is the intrigue and conspiracy? No where because it doesn't involve Olympiacos and clouds the Olympiacos run the EPO theory. Remember the faces of the Ialysos  players..?

 

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Remember the Panathinaikos riots in Lefkada and the mayor stated he asked Kontonis before the riots for more police and Kontonis refused! Where was the follow up? Where was the intrigue and theories as to why Kontonis refused? What are Kontonis' connections with the police when they conveniently block a final with 250 fans he never wanted to happen?

 

Thirdly linesman and refs have been seen attending many games in the Super League for various teams and they are often invited. However outside of them attending Olympiacos games the Skai & SDNA media is not interested because it wont feed the AEK/PAOK/PAO agenda. There is no violation or intrigue about this outside of the Gate13/ Original21/ PAOK Hooligan conspiracy theory factories. Kontonis is a well known lifelong Panathinaikos fan - has this been mentioned even once on this entire forum?  :D Imagine if he was a lifelong olympiacos fan, he would have been forced to resign by now!   Tsipras is a Panathinaikos fan, and in his own words, attended every home game he could!! :smartass:

 

Fourthly to Original Sydney... in your own vernacular,.. 'Seriously dude...'

 

I think we need to get over the fact of what one club said and what the other didn't say, it has no bearing at all whether we agree to it or not Kontonis makes decision regardless of what one club says.....

 

 

Accept when Meli says something you like.. the same day..

 

 

Great statement that is and very well said, now lets see what comes of it

 
 
So back to reality. You can not build a league around anarchy where there is no law and order. There is no excuse for violence and Kontonis and Meli/Savvidis - constantly blaming ALL violence on the corruption theories associated with Olympiacos imo is the problem. Once Greece becomes a state where criminals and hooligans are arrested, than we can talk, until then, Meli, Savvidis, Alafouzos and Kontinis are enablers. They control more media than Olympiacos, they enable more violence than Olympiacos and they have set back Greek football more than Olympiacos.
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Depends, with zero evidence these linesmen are corrupt, have these linesmen only ever visited the Karaiskaki? Is it illegal for a fef or official to visit a game? I have seen refs at most stadiums and usually for their own security, sitting in the VIP areas, including at Leoforo and the OAKA. It is all heresy and unprovable that they have taken bribes.

 

What is key is bringing doubt to the game for AEK/PAO/PAOK. Skai, SDNA questioning motives when it suits them, but not when it doesn't.. reporting when a ref watches a game at the Karaiskaki, but silence when the same ref sits with Spanos at Peristeri or visits Nea Smirni. Huge media when a lighter is thrown on the pitch by an Olympiacos away fan and massive follow up until Olympiacos are punnished by the EPO with a game behind closed doors - but silence on OFI and their pitch invasion - beating up the opposing players and not even a point deduction! - no follow up on refs being beaten in eastern Athens, no follow up on Kontonis and Tsipras supporting PAO as fans etc..lol... No follow up on Kontonis being responsible for the Lefkada riots... No league cancellation after incidents in the lower two leagues this season! Someone died last year at a lower league game.. Anyone neutral will see massive discrepancies across the board, anyone with an agenda will only see a 'red mafia' because that is all the media like sport-fm feeds them. Once the Cup is played, Kontonis, Savvidis and the others will have lost. Their last hope is anarchy - anything not to spend money on players. Every day they delay the Cup, they feel they are improving Greek soccer by harming Olympiacos player's holiday plans. As Poyet, Tudor and every other coach states, Olympiacos have the best team. Yes they will get fired or insulted for admitting it, but conspiracy theories begin and end with that. If Kontonis was serious about actually fixing Greek soccer, all he would do would be making Tiger, Marinakis etc face trial. However he knows there is not enough evidence, so instead he reverts to the far leftist student sit in, anarchy protest tactic he learnt as a typical Greek teenager. 

 

The same happens away from football. Most people heard about the far left anti police rapper Fyssas who died. Rightly so. We see marches around where he died. Follow up stories in the media..memorial stories plastered across the Greek football media on the anniversary of his death. Rightly so.  Where is the mass media follow up for the 3 bank employees burnt alive by Greek anarchists? It was the anniversary of their murders a few days ago.. where is the media hysteria, protest marches? Flowers? No where, because once again, this news does not fit an agenda. Same for the journalist murdered outside his family home by far leftists - Sokratis Giolias. Where is the conspiracy theories?

 

Greece needs equality. Equal scrutiny. Football is football, stealing Greek state property through bribes.. more serious no? You would think right? Greeks care so much about state property being illegally sold off.. they get so angry... accept when it is Tiger it seems.. because he is a good mafioso? From wiki:

 

During the time of negotiations with OPAP, Costas Louropoulos, OPAP's chief executive, felt put 'under pressure' by Mr Melissanidis in a series of telephone calls. 'He insulted me, as on many previous occasions..You dare to sign [the Intralot and lottery contracts] and I will take your head off', Mr Louropoulos quoted Mr Melissanidis as telling him on May 20, 2013, according to the "Financial Times".[34] Also, immediately after the signing of the OPAP deal, the Greek privatization agency chairman, Stelios Stavridis, was dismissed by Greek Finance Minister, Yannis Stournaras, 'for ethical reasons', when news reports emerged that he travelled on Dimitris Melissanidis private jet just before the deal was validated by the Government..

 

So add to this a ref saying last month Tiger rang him up and threatened him... Tiger - a man who has a documented history of threatening on the phone so many people.... where is the mass hysteria.. Skai? Sport-fm follow up and follow up articles? Nope.. It is just the ref's word against Meli.. unprovable in court... like all the accusations against Olympiacos this season.

 

Greece needs equality. The only way this can be achieved is through rule of law. This wont happen because many Greeks believe it is OK to maim and murder if you '''suspect''' a ref may have be bribed by Olympiacos. Everything else... they don't care. Put simply, the victim's club guards its membership fiercely. 

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Reaper can you show me where it wasn't agreed to have Sidiropoulos assistants as everything I have read says they were to be assigned.

As for the rumour about Meli meeting Kontonis it came from Karapapara, who the F*** is he to come out and say that? Why doesn't he come out and say all the times Marinakis would speak with Sarris and have things arranged for his benefit? Seems they over look their own halia and try bury others.

 

You say Meli, Ala and Savvidis are enablers, isn't Marinakis that also or don't these things apply to him? Every owner is as bad as each other.

 

Good to see you admit Olympiakos has set back Greek Football

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