Summer Transfers 2008

[athinaios]

I don't know what to make of this, but Marseill says OK, though Givet wants lots of $$$ Article here

I agree, we need a solid CB, and perhaps we should have started from there instead of pursuing other players who it seems won't even see much play time.

We're playing Sparta Prague next week, so no new trasfers can help us for those 2 games, but our defense has to improve if we are to content for high places.

[cyberfish]

Givet would be nice in green. But if not, there must be other CB's out there they should be going after. I think we can reach the groups with the current squad, I do think we need a high caliper CB for the CL groups.

I don't think we picked up players that won't play. If we play a 4-2-3-1, we need to have enough AM/winger type players to cover the whole season. The "3" is very important in this formation

There will be plenty of games and each of them will have chances to play meaningful games. There will be injuries, cards, and out-of-form periods.

The new management is inexperienced, and like Antoniou admitted, they don't have connections with managers yet.

The team has changed completely, and to repeat my prediction from last year, it's going to have wild swings in performance for a year or so. We'll see stelar games, and we'll see some yawners for sure. I expect great things next year.

[NikosVazelas]

where did oly sign better player? im confused, Dudu? he was a sub a cska last season because he wasnt on form.

Avraam? what makes him better then Melissis? because he played for Aris? how is he definately better then Melissis?

Leto? Who is he? have u seen him play? Galitsios? i liek him alot but right now is he better then Gabriel.. or Nilsson for that matter?

Oscar? no comment.

Gilberto Silva, captain of the celecao signed for PAO in case u forgot. Rukavinia is one of croatias up and coming talents. Cleyton had a great season with AEL last season and is gonne be a great player for pao. Souza? is he weaker than Diogo? how can u tell? youtube videos?

who would u rather have, Christodoulopoulos or Giannis papadopoulos from iraklis that went to oly? We also had Petropoulos return from loan from OFI where he had 4 goals in 10 games last season, which would of put him 3rd on our team leaders in scoring. he is 22.

Not to mention that we are still looking for a CB and oly still has to replace Lua Lua and Nunez from last season.

our biggest singing so far happened two years ago. Ninis will be fit and ready to play this seasona fter last seasons debacle. and so far he has been our best player. a free transfer with tons of potential.

it takes time to replace players liek Romero, Seric, Darlas, Enakarihe, Papadopoulos, Ndoye and most likely tziolis. We changed the whole dynamic of our team and it will take time to build this young team to the top. At least there has been major strides and huge efforts from our managements side for once in many many years. What else do u guys want?

enough said.

[Kojak]

Am i the only one who doesnt see the benefit of loaning players to other greek teams.....

i mean mantzios benched in germany, was probably better than him playing in greece....hes come back a little different...

sick of talents going to waste in mediocre greek teams....

[drakos13]

Mantzios really has not changed. He was just as talented/flawed as when he left.

Sending him away, was an incredibly stupid decision. We could definitley have used him second half of the season with the forward draught, and Postiga had no idea what the hell he was doing out there. The good performances were definitley in Vangeli eps after that AEK game, and a few others he hit some goals and then Peseiro stopped playing him in favour of an ATROCIOUS Papadopoulos.....then they send the kid away and our breakdown/lack of depth/lack of fit strikers hurts us at the end of the season...

[athinaios]

I agree with Drakos about Mantzios. He could have played more after the AEK game when he scored 2. Pesseiro was stubborn and kept playing Pap, too late subs, etc.

Mantzios is not a dependable players on the other hand. He can do brilliant stufff but he often he can't even do the simplest thing like sticking his foot out to put the ball rolling into the net (remember the cup final, among others?)

I cannot think of a player who left this summer that I'm upset about...... :rolleyes:

Good changes so far. :tup:

[NikosVazelas]

im upset fyssas retired. even though he didnt play much last season, he was always kick ass at interviews. he should go into reporting when he is done with the NT duties he now has.

[athinaios]

im upset fyssas retired. even though he didnt play much last season, he was always kick ass at interviews. he should go into reporting when he is done with the NT duties he now has.

I agree. I think he deserved to lift a title with PAO. Hopefully Goumas will do so for the old-timers! :D

[Guest TheLegend]

where did oly sign better player? im confused, Dudu? he was a sub a cska last season because he wasnt on form.

Avraam? what makes him better then Melissis? because he played for Aris? how is he definately better then Melissis?

Leto? Who is he? have u seen him play? Galitsios? i liek him alot but right now is he better then Gabriel.. or Nilsson for that matter?

Oscar? no comment.

Gilberto Silva, captain of the celecao signed for PAO in case u forgot. Rukavinia is one of croatias up and coming talents. Cleyton had a great season with AEL last season and is gonne be a great player for pao. Souza? is he weaker than Diogo? how can u tell? youtube videos?

who would u rather have, Christodoulopoulos or Giannis papadopoulos from iraklis that went to oly? We also had Petropoulos return from loan from OFI where he had 4 goals in 10 games last season, which would of put him 3rd on our team leaders in scoring. he is 22.

Not to mention that we are still looking for a CB and oly still has to replace Lua Lua and Nunez from last season.

our biggest singing so far happened two years ago. Ninis will be fit and ready to play this seasona fter last seasons debacle. and so far he has been our best player. a free transfer with tons of potential.

it takes time to replace players liek Romero, Seric, Darlas, Enakarihe, Papadopoulos, Ndoye and most likely tziolis. We changed the whole dynamic of our team and it will take time to build this young team to the top. At least there has been major strides and huge efforts from our managements side for once in many many years. What else do u guys want?

enough said.

Niko all u do is try to talk s%$#! about other players instead of just staying neutral or at least not opening your mouth :tdown:

Dudu has 10 games for brazil so he must not be as bad as you claim he is.

Avraam isnt good? I see your point on how is he better than Melisis... answer my question then? How is melisis better than him? You gota think of it both ways my man in order to not be able to be criticizeed when u s%$#! on other teams.

Leto? We all saw him play the other day and if he plays like that every game he is defintly a top player and will be one of the top 5 players in the superleague this year for sure.

Again your point on Galitsios... you say how is he better than gabriel i say to you how if gabriel better than him.

Oscar ill agree with you. Average. But hes nothing new been here for a while now.

And diogo isnt even on Olympiacos but your shitting on him because of the interest from Olympiacos to acquire him. Are you completely blinded by hate that you cant even post something decent when it involves other teams?

You saw how is diogo betterthan souza i say how is souza better than diogo??

Like i said look at it from both aspects becase when you post with the intent to flame another team at least cover both aspects of your "questions" which are clearly insults.

[DUDE]

Niko all u do is try to talk s%$#! about other players instead of just staying neutral or at least not opening your mouth :tdown:

Dudu has 10 games for brazil so he must not be as bad as you claim he is.

Avraam isnt good? I see your point on how is he better than Melisis... answer my question then? How is melisis better than him? You gota think of it both ways my man in order to not be able to be criticizeed when u s%$#! on other teams.

Leto? We all saw him play the other day and if he plays like that every game he is defintly a top player and will be one of the top 5 players in the superleague this year for sure.

Again your point on Galitsios... you say how is he better than gabriel i say to you how if gabriel better than him.

Oscar ill agree with you. Average. But hes nothing new been here for a while now.

And diogo isnt even on Olympiacos but your shitting on him because of the interest from Olympiacos to acquire him. Are you completely blinded by hate that you cant even post something decent when it involves other teams?

You saw how is diogo betterthan souza i say how is souza better than diogo??

Like i said look at it from both aspects becase when you post with the intent to flame another team at least cover both aspects of your "questions" which are clearly insults.

Niko is not insulting. He's making the point that PAO have strengthen this season while Olympiakos have weakened by not properly replacing Lua Lua and Nunez. Do you disagree with him? If you do say so, but his views have nothing to do with him hating Olympiakos. Personally I don't think Gilberto is as good as Niko makes out. I live in England, I watch Arsenal every week and so I've seen enough of him not to buy into the hype surrounding his capataincy. I think the money they've paid could have been better spent elsewhere. Just because I think that doesn't mean that I have a hatred for PAO.

You need to learn to debate in a calm manner and not lose your temper. If you have raging emotions that make you confrontational find an outlet... take a few deep breaths or go for a jog. Hit a punch bag or masturbate with olive oil... but please, find a way to chill, for your health if for nothing else.

As for the debate, I agree 100% with Niko... PAO have strengthen this season while Olympiakos have weakened. And I'm sorry to say this, but the reason Olympiakos is in the state it is in is because of fans like you. (And I'm not insulting you, I'm stating what I believe to be a fact based on my perception of you that I've built after reading so many of your posts). Olympiakos has a massive fan club, a billionaire owner, millions from CL money, an unbelievable atmposphere following the team (home and away), and numerous opportunities in the CL to make an impact. Yet the team has been a bourdelo in Europe for years, mainly because of a lack of professionalism and mismanagement. Instead of the fans taking to the streets and protesting in the way PAO fans did this year, or Lazio fans in the past, or fans of Liverpool, Spurs, etc, you sit there and believe the bs media reports to keep you in line. You strike me as the sort of person that would go to a dodgy casino with a rigged roulette machine, lose $1000 in one night but go and tell all your friends about how you got a free bottle of champagne when you signed up as a member. Explain to me why Castillo had to be sold to fund the players we bought last year? Explain to me why Lua Lua was forced out this year? Explain to me why Ribo was treated with so much disrespect? The board is a cancer and you should be protesting against their actions, not getting excited because the team signed a Liverpool reserve on loan or a defender from Aris.

Anyway, I'm not going to turn this into an Olympiakos forum, so I'll finish by bringing it back to PAO and saying that PAO have strengthened the most. If AEK had held onto Papasta and Lybe I would have rated their signings as the best, but in reality they've just replaced their best players. So if PAO can sign a striker (a target man) and a centre-back I think they'll win the league, if they don't I think AEK will win the league particularly as they will not have the stresses of the CL.

So, PAO need 2 big players guys. I read today that Luisao wants to leave Benfica and they are willing to sell him. What an amazing signing that would be!

[NikosVazelas]

where did oly sign better player? im confused, Dudu? he was a sub a cska last season because he wasnt on form.

Avraam? what makes him better then Melissis? because he played for Aris?  how is he definately better then Melissis?

Leto? Who is he? have u seen him play? Galitsios? i liek him alot but right now is he better then Gabriel.. or Nilsson for that matter?

Oscar? no comment.

Gilberto Silva, captain of the celecao signed for PAO in case u forgot. Rukavinia is one of croatias up and coming talents. Cleyton had a great season with AEL last season and is gonne be a great player for pao. Souza? is he weaker than Diogo? how can u tell? youtube videos?

who would u rather have, Christodoulopoulos or Giannis papadopoulos from iraklis that went to oly? We also had Petropoulos return from loan from OFI where he had 4 goals in 10 games last season, which would of put him 3rd on our team leaders in scoring. he is 22.

Not to mention that we are still looking for a CB and oly still has to replace Lua Lua and Nunez from last season.

our biggest singing so far happened two years ago. Ninis will be fit and ready to play this seasona fter last seasons debacle. and so far he has been our best player. a free transfer with tons of potential.

it takes time to replace players liek Romero, Seric, Darlas, Enakarihe, Papadopoulos, Ndoye and most likely tziolis. We changed the whole dynamic of our team and it will take time to build this young team to the top. At least there has been major strides and huge efforts from our managements side for once in many many years. What else do u guys want?

enough said.

Niko all u do is try to talk s%$#! about other players instead of just staying neutral or at least not opening your mouth :tdown:

Dudu has 10 games for brazil so he must not be as bad as you claim he is.

Avraam isnt good? I see your point on how is he better than Melisis... answer my question then? How is melisis better than him? You gota think of it both ways my man in order to not be able to be criticizeed when u s%$#! on other teams.

Leto? We all saw him play the other day and if he plays like that every game he is defintly a top player and will be one of the top 5 players in the superleague this year for sure.

Again your point on Galitsios... you say how is he better than gabriel i say to you how if gabriel better than him.

Oscar ill agree with you. Average. But hes nothing new been here for a while now.

And diogo isnt even on Olympiacos but your shitting on him because of the interest from Olympiacos to acquire him. Are you completely blinded by hate that you cant even post something decent when it involves other teams?

You saw how is diogo betterthan souza i say how is souza better than diogo??

Like i said look at it from both aspects becase when you post with the intent to flame another team at least cover both aspects of your "questions" which are clearly insults.

All i did was ask simple questions. I dont see how oly got better. thats all im saying. how can you judge a player from watchin him for 35 minutes liek we did with Leto. if u would of watched Karagounis play last year in the playoffs against aris where he scored 2 goals and had an assist, you would of thought he was the best mdifielder in the world. my questions of comparaisons were meant to the oly fans that say they have the upper hand on the transfer season over pao, which is clearly a never ending debate.

my point being is that every player oly signed this season is ok but not a big signing. not a BAM. Galitsios, Avraam, Oscar and Dudu are not worth 12.5 million in my book. this doesnt include the salary.

im happy when a team gets 5 or 6 young players under 22 or 23 and tries to build with it for the future. layign the foundation is imperative for a football club.

and all im saying is id rather have my foundation be Ninis, Christodoulopoulos, Rukavinia, Mattos, CLeyton, Ivan and Simao than G. Papa, Leto (for 2 years) Galitsios, Mendrinos, Mitroglou and Matsoukas. hell you can even throw Dudu in there.

it has nothign to do with me being a pao fan. I, as opposed to you, actually cheer for oly when they play in europe. my grandfather is a typical brainwashed oly fan like you Legend, where oly does no wrong and everything they do is better than everyone else.Im sorry thats how u are, but there are better ways of seeing football.

[loup]

So, PAO need 2 big players guys. I read today that Luisao wants to leave Benfica and they are willing to sell him. What an amazing signing that would be!

Maybe Katsouranis can bring him by and show him the sights :LOL: :box:

[cyberfish]

Dimoutsos (20 y.o. midfielder) loaned to OFI for one year.

[cyberfish]

Dimoutsos (20 y.o. midfielder) loaned to OFI for one year.

http://www.sportdog.gr/new/article.aspx?id=72661

[drakos13]

thats a very good pickup for OFI...hope to see Dimoutsos develop more...

[trifilli]

Givet has an attitude problem which is not what PAO needs, especially at the CB position where communication and cooperation is key. If he got 1.7 mill, regardless of his ability as a player, that would have brought some resentment amongst our players. I do not think he ever wanted to play in Greece,and that is why his demands were unreasonable, just in case PAO were soft enough to give in...

A solid CB is needed NOW, not in Dec. By then PAO would be out of the CL, which is where the impact player is really needed. With the current roster we will do fine domestically. It is in Europe that we need a solid defence, so that our other good investments do not go to waste. It makes little sense both financially and from a football perspective to bring in a couple of great players and not surround them by a balanced cast.

Gilberto will not and can not do it alone. He needs help from behind, and he deserves it.

Would you buy a Ferrari and drive it on a dirt road? Not to say our CBs are "dirt" but you get the point?

I love Goumas, I think he will give all he has as always. Mellissis may be the answer, we can never tell. But Sariegui and Vintra I am not too hopeful about...Simao will do better than them as a CB, and I will not be surprised if he gets that assignment.

Please get a CB before the CL groups, PLEASE!!!

PEACE

[Guest TheLegend]

Hold on triffilli...I dont understand what your saying..

Are you saying if Givet made 1.7m per year that would bring anger from other players?

Yes that would be one of the higher salaries on the team but what about Silva getting 3m per year double-ing the highest salary.

[trifilli]

Givet and Gilberto have nothing in common, other than the first letter of one of their names.

I do not think Givet deserves 1.7mil. Many PAO players might agree with me... :afro:

PEACE

[cyberfish]

A new name is floating for the CB position today: Alexander Madlung of Wolfsburg. Anyone have any insight on him?

http://www.sportdog.gr/new/article.aspx?id=72751

[cyberfish]

Bryce Moon signed for 4 years

N'doye loaned to OFI for 3 years.

http://www.pao.gr/index.php

[cyberfish]

Correcting my earlier post: N'Doye to OFI on a free transfer for 3 years and not loaned. Reportedly, PAO can buy him back for a small fee if they want.

In other related news, Givet is still in the horizon. He did not play for Marseille against Brann so if he signs he can participate in the CL.

[NYPAO13]

i expected better transfers as a whole, although its been probably our best offseasonal moves in the past hmmm 8 years, our defense in not trustworthy, hopefully im wrong

[cyberfish]

This post is about Vintra.

With one week to go we all seem to be hoping that a good CB will come our way.

I have a feeling we'll buy one, and if we do, I would not be surprised to see Vintra retain his starter role.

I think the CB position suits him best since he does not have to attack and cross (something that has given him a bad name), and he can now put his skills to good use.

One important aspect is that Vintra can play both the FB positions and it comes in handy in the new HTC system where the FBs play high leaving the DMs and the CB to slide over to the edge to cover their back. This leaves them often isolated against speedy and skilled wingers on the counter.

Vintra is fast, he is reasonably tall, he is a good defender one on one, and he is a hard worker. I wanted to mention his name because I, along with many others, have asked for his head in the past, but over the past year, and through this young season, he has earned my respect. He has played every position on defense reliably, and every coach so far has trusted him with a starting spot.

Vintra is one of only three players who has perfect attendance so far in the three official games. This tells me that HTC trusts him more than the other 4 CBs so far.

He is not perfect, and he still muffs the ball here and there, but you have to respect the character he has shown in the face of almost universal fan disapproval, and to appreciate the hard work he shows on the pitch.

[trifilli]

I think I am one of the very few that never wanted, and still do not want to give Vintra away. He may not be the greatest player, but he is cheap, relatively young and Greek. The issue I have had with him, is his terrible decision making. He needs to be more cautious with the ball and his fouls. Unfortunately he is the type of player that will do fine during the whole game and mess it up in the end, by giving up the ball with a bad pass or concede a silly foul (or penalty).

He is more of a CB (his position at Panhliakos) and with someone experienced next to him, he will do the job. Ten Kate can help him avoid those mistakes that usually cost him a good performance.

I expect him to be improved and agree with many of Cyber's points..

Does this mean I do not think we need a great CB?

Absolutely NOT!

[cyberfish]

Tzorvas is close to returning to PAO. http://www.sport.gr/default.asp?pid=4&aid=20034