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http://www.sportdog.gr/v3/article.aspx?id=143233 oh what a surprise

and katsikogianni, niklitsiotis and soiledis are going on loan to.....ofi <_<

world class, in the terms that i was using it specifically for the post are players that have played at a HIGHEST level consistantly, club and/or national team and/or players that can lift the team and win the game with one swoop... galletti was that player...cisse is that player, they are players that could win the game with one touch... govou is more a world class player then riera...govou has won 7/8 french championships, has played year in year out in the CL and has about 50 NT caps...riera has won 2 copa del rey and has played acouple years in european fixtures and has never really played at a BIG, champion team..and he was never a consistant NT player.... gilberto is still a world class player as welll..

nemeth, fuster, pantelic...none of them are BAMS...pantelic is a solid goalscorer...nothing more...let me remind everyone that the only 'major' trophy he has won was the dutch cup last year...ajax was also the best club he has ever played for...and he is 32...another old player on the squad...either way, he is a good player made for playing in the box which is what oly needed...he is earning 1.6 mill a year which is an alarmingly high salary for someone his age/ability...like riera, he is being very much overpayed...no other club would offer anything close to that for him... fuster, you will see is no better than oscar...remember valverde was saying the same exact things about oscar as he is now about fuster...sure he may help oly, but he is not a TOP level type of player, he has barely even played at premier level and he is 28...nemeth is a great prospect but not quite a great player...definitly one for the future though... none of these guys are BAMS though, olys squad has improved individually, the question now is whether they will tie together as a team...especially in such a short period of time...the only thing about the squad that has GREATLY improved is your depth...you have multiple players per position which will definitly help, but none of your signings can really be classified as WORLD CLASS players...not even riera...every team needs at least one world class player that will make the difference in tight games, oly have been missing the cutting edge player, and still i my eyes have not replaced djole or galletti...regardless, i think oly will do very well this year, but its difficult to build a team in a year when 90% of your players are new to the team...your individual strength can only take you so far... another thing that both pao and oly need to note is that there is alot of competition this year in the SL...alot of teams have improved their roster and this year will be better than last year and more difficult for everyone, especially for pao who will have a very difficult and FULL schedule all year long..

samaras just scored to make it 2-0 vs utrecht

anyway, if the reports are true its a good signing for oly...maybe not as a starting solution but still a very talented player...

i must have some sort of psychic ability

hahahahaahah http://www.sentragoal.gr/article.asp?catid...&pubid=41678658 what did i just say!

i put money on the fact that you guys pick up nemeth...watch it happen

so derbyshire/diogo is getting replaced by someone who is not really a goalscorer or even a striker and..... "

tziolis will spend the next year on loan at racing santander...a good move for him i believe..lets see how he does in spain... http://www.sportdog.gr/v3/article.aspx?id=142660

i guess...it could all be disputed though :D :D we can probably both agree though that he isnt an ideal replacement for derbyshire :D

yeah..his primary role is as a second striker and attacking midfielder...im not saying it bc of whatever the article says, im saying it bc i saw him play a handful of times last season...the article is obviously wrong if i were an oly fan i would be pretty dissapointed with this...if this is what valverde is shooting for its pretty mediocre in my opinion...the player is 28 and has a year (not even really) of top flight football... a striker does not play outside the striking zone, if that is the case he is considered a SS or AM. you could also claim him as a forward bc tecnically a CF and a striker are not the same positions...but that is determined 'technically' by small details... when did this game get so confusing :D

http://www.sentragoal.gr/article.asp?catid...&pubid=41174657 fuster is not really an out and out striker so how is he suppose to replace derbyshire...he is more of an attacking midfielder, second striker...he is not an upgrade to what you already have, he certainly is not a better striker than derbyshire...

http://www.goal.com/en/news/12/spain/2010/...from-real-betis i dont know if he was actually a target but...

moises i have seen in action live alot...i used to live in barcelona and went to both espanyol and barca games.....he is a good players, a hard runner but not great technically...his tackling is his strong point but he is often very very reckless in his challenges as a result of poor positioning... personally i think the 3.5 million is alittle much for him...he is pretty good but nothing great...the reason why his price is higher than it should be is because he is loved by the fans for his long term commitment to the club...i think oly can get someone better, but valverde wants him, just like he wanted oscar he has never featured for the national team... sergio garcia is a good player, much more attacking minded and played in the segunda last year bc after betis got relegated, they wanted too much for him as they bought him for like 9 million...regardless, i always highly rated him as a player but it looks like he is all but sealed at espanyol...

http://www.goal.com/en/news/15/germany/201...e-osnabrueck-in :gr: :gr:

he'll never learn how to play for olympiakos if he never plays...

yeah but he will not play...probably not even vs smaller teams...im sure we'll only see him in the kypello if even that...in my opinion oly should have skipped the useless signing of modesto....he will see time instea of papazoglou...

as you should crazy, losing galletti was the biggest loss for the team...more so than djole (i mean hey, everyone knew he had to retire sometime soon, oly should have been better prepared for that one)...despite playing different positions/a different style game, the truth is neither ibagaza or rommedahl are the type of players that will take the team by the balls and win a game...neither player is as good or will be as important to the team as galletti was, i dont even think riera will be that player either...neither riera or rommedahl are as natural as goalscorers as galletti, not as quick and not as technical... also remember age wise galletti was at the peak of his career at 27-29..riera is there, but players like rommedahl and ibagaza are curving downward... as a pao fan i hated galletti, but as a football fan i loved him...he was a joy to watch and a REAL world class player...on your roster now, you dont have a player like galletti, and thats what u really need...i dont think riera will be that players for you...

i am not afraid of your team...that is laugh-able, the bulk of the news coming out of greece just happends to be about oly bc of the situations surrounding the club, when our whole 'president' issues arose, no one could stop talking about us...so, i just like to comment on the news, and since we are "enemies" it makes it more fun for me :D that mixed with the fact that only the pao and oly forums here get posts and actual discussion is nice...i would like to get more aris, paok and aek fans here, but that is unfortunately not the case. but i am not afraid, and from an outside perspective, i think teams and fans are prob 10x more afraid of pao, then oly, i dont think that is debtable... i am glad you see thing (in your last post at least) more reasonably...BUT the bulk of oly fans are dillusional and think valverde is the saviour of the club....i can of course acknowledge that la liga is miles and miles above the SL, but the media makes valverde out to be mourinho, when in the grand scheme of football, is a slightly above avg coach... as far as your top players retiring and being injured etc etc...i dont buy that as an excuse, as a matter of fact that only shows how oly (and most other greek teams) think...short term...if they were interested in long term success, they would have planned for the next generation to your 30-something year old heroes (im not saying that sarcastically, djole, georgatos were great players) once again, by signing players like ibagaza and rommedahl, the club shows they are not thinking long term success... and i love you too my man :D :D

its funny to me that everyone thinks valverde is the solution to your problems...oly will still have a very tough time this season...there is alot of work for the team to be done and its already almost time for the season to start...you guys want four new faces? the season starts in less than 20 days...take the blindfold off, its not just the coach thats your problem... for a oly entering a 'new era' it doesnt seem to me youve entered this 'era' on a good foot.... besides, i woudnt get too excited. vilareal had a very good side last year and with valverde they looked a wreck...had you kept him two years ago through this year, then the story would be completely ifferent ad youd prob have a much better team than you have now.. and crazy, it seems like being out of europe makes you proud :LOL: ...a truly great team competes in all competitions and still goes out full force for the title...how funny would it be if you were only going for the SL and we were playing for all three and we STILL won another double...to me, thats the test of a truly great club..if you dont think your squad can compete in all competitions, then i should never hear you argue that you think olympiakos have a great team...im glad oly didnt make the champions league bc it would have been embarrasing...

vlakies akouw...its time for samaras to move to spain, his talent will be appreciated there...hes 25 and will still develop, a move to spain would be good for his career in my opinion, he needs to go where he will be wanted...he should be starting week in week out at celtic but every year he isnt wanted by their fans and doesnt get the full faith of the coach but every year he is one of the if not the top scorer at the club....

good move for him....he was always a very gifted player in my opinion...still 23 and has time to progress..he played well at iraklis but did not thrive bc of instability at the club...he could be a good asset to the NT if he improves his game..we need a gifted playmaker...hes not ready but hopefully with some good guidance his talent will explode...

of course we have fired coaches early before, and weve seen where it has taken us...NOWHERE...im not defending vardino, if you want to talk about pao, talk about how us changing coaches all the time was one of the reasons we didnt win jack, learn from that.. you cant talk about ten cate though because he was given 1.5 years, not 2 months..completely different scenario...talk about backe :LOL: :LOL: .this is the second year in a row oly has fired a coach early on..zico was suppose to be the hero but he got the axe too.. yes, unstable...when you fire your coach before the season starts, your team is unstable..for me, to start the season right, you must have the same coach throughout preseason into the season..its common sense...its hard for the players to adapt to a new coach and a new style when they should be in the stage where they are ready to start the season, physically, tactically and psychologically, all of which oly now do not have...so yeah, you are both not ready, and now unstable... my pappou is like 95 and he is upset all the time.. :D :D speaking of pappou, what ever happend to 'elastopappou', i loved that guy!