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What I meant is that when there is a serious crisis in a country, extreme groups (fascists, anarchists) surface and gain followers. I don't think Xrysi Aygi would be as strong if Greece wasn't in such a bad mess.
In the 1930s, in the US during the Great Depression there were fascist and communist ..movements, because of the near collapse of the economic system.
When law and order and civic responsibility break down, and when people feel desperate, anarchism (like, I don't give a crap about anything) is fueled, but also at the same time fascist/ultra-nationalist parties gain power. You said it, in a way... When you have foreign powers threatening or abusing the country (even if it's through economic means), and when you have an influx of immigrants who want a piece of your meager bread, it's expected to have ultra-nationlist/fascist parties gain.
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Ah, we have a true betting man.... :) The odds? I'd say 99-1 the EU will disappear!
You know the Austro-Hungarians started WW1? And their fellow allies the Germans sent Lenin to Russia with a train full of gold.... So, they're also responsible for communism too.
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Hungary's Karl Orban is no angel, to put it mildly. He dreams of another empire, the Austro-Hungarian one, and he's exploiting the anti-immigrant and anti-Jewish sentiment to pass authoritarian measures--restricting freedoms, going after political opponents, like Putin does, whom he admires--while blasting the EU, which few years ago saved Hungary from bankruptcy by giving it $26 billion. His strong anti-communist stance and his rabid religious fervor are seen as very attractive by the right wing, including the extreme right, and people like the "Burkean conservatives" like Evans-Pritchard, and our own 1789 here.
A Greek-American was appointed ambassador to Hungary and spent 3 years there. Her memoir on that experience in Hungary is interesting. Here's another article from the Polico on Hungary and Orban.
By the way, I'm taking bets as to the demise of the EU...
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Greek society is in crisis on a fundamental level, not just the financial sector. I agree, no matter who's in charge, if the country can't feed itself, and buy stuff it needs (like heating oil), there isn't much choice other than accepting the terms of lenders. I'm not saying the latter haven't put the knife to the bone, exhausting Greece and fueling fascism.
But, there's no reason the Greek gov can't modernize the public sector, fight corruption, etc. But, I also think the people have to rethink their attitude, starting by treating each other better, including respecting the environment and the land they occupy.
If you think that all ills are foreign-borne, then look at they institutions or organizations controlled 100% by Greeks, like EPO, the soccer league, etc...
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I have to ask the same question as Bananas. Why is Soros for open borders? We may know his hidden agenda, but it's not enough to say he's for open borders without providing a reasonable possible explanation.
Also, like most people, I don't think he's a single-minded person.
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There are also laws against proselytism, so the official religion is protected. The Zeus worshipers, if organized as a religion, should get recognition.
As for the mosque, it could be built anywhere. I read that the proposed site was once a military barracks that can be used for housing since there are buildings there already. That sounds good to me.
The issue for me is that there has to be separation of church-state in a modern society, so the state does not favor one over another.
I can't help that chuckle when I hear fanatics of one religion criticizing or ridiculing the religious practices of another religion. Nobody seems to notice that 99% of the religious follow the culture and myths of the place of their birth. As far as I know, no one chose where to be born.
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I'm with you. I'd instantly change my religion the moment I tried bacon and was told can't have it :).
Btw, all religions have silly prohibitions, from eating shellfish to clothes.
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First, it's a shame the old Omonia square was destroyed, but it's not the first time something classical and beautiful was replaced with a monstrosity. Look around Athens and you'll see ugly apt. bldgs, garbage, and cacophony.
Anyway, so I understand.... If a country says it values freedom and liberties, should it allow people to believe in Zeus even if this goes against majority's worship preference? Instead, do you want to copy backward dictatorships, and oppressive theocracies?
And, if you don't allow for a mosque to be built, what are you preventing exactly? That those Muslims will not find a way to pray?
Instead of promoting enlightenment and fighting superstition with education, some people choose to kill each other on the debate whether the deity likes pork or not, and whether he has designated some sheeple as the chosen ones.
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On 10/22/2016 at 0:25 PM, The Taxman said:
What I said was neither racist nor homophobic and certainly not vile.
Transgendered aren't a race and although some of them might be homosexual, that's not where I take an issue. Same for vegan.
These things aren't natural and I have a right to voice my disgust.
The fact that you find transgender people and vegans as "c*nts" and "disgusting" does not give you license to say so here. The stated reason for the warning was "inappropriate language" and my post was to remind everyone where they are and the rules that govern this forum. And, yes, we welcome all genders and foodies here.
We could have a conversation as to the definition of "normal" and how we should react to the "abnormal".... But, if I may offer an opinion on the subject, it's very ..uncool to feel the need to label others disgusting based on dietary or lifestyle choices and how someone is born. Com'on now.
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First, PAO has shown that they're getting competitive with Euro teams despite the results against the last 3 teams. Those games could have had much better outcomes for our team. On the other hand, silly mistakes cost. It's not the fault of refs when we accept silly goals both in Euro and domestic games Also, the small details or moments of inattention determine close games. And, running out of steam there's no excuse at this stage.
Not so long ago, we had a horrible fitness managers and worse of a medical team. They fixed it for a while and PAO outplayed the other teams in terms of fitness with fewer injuries. This is extremely crucial, just as coaching, because with aging players they have to manage every player's health, minutes played, etc, with precise scientific rigor.
About the refs.... If mistakes are spread all around without a constant benefit for a select number of teams, then they're part of the game where humans make calls within a fraction of a second and without the benefit of slow motion or many camera angles. In Greece, we've seen that officiating has been helping one particular team and that's unacceptable, because it's not luck whether you get a call in your favor or against you. In an honest game, calls even out over time. Sometimes you get luck sometimes you don't.
But, I think it'd be a mistake if the team believes their bad results are not their fault. Yes, Xanthi got lucky (it's not the first time those bastards escape with 3 points having only 1-2 wild chances to score) but if PAO can't put away another team after having a 70% possession, and not creating chances then they can't complain too much.
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I'm offended that you're offended
Look, individuals can believe whatever they want but this is a private club with certain rules of behavior. We think such rules make it a better experience for all to hang out here. I think we push the limits of free expression, but we have to remember this is not a place for a bar brawl. Check your guns at the door, and keep any racism, homophobia, hate, and vile comments inside yourself, until you find another venue to express them and fight with other knuckleheads.
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On 10/14/2016 at 2:26 PM, Blackhawk said:
Citing various issues concerning how EPO operated, FIFA has decided to assign an interim committee to run day to day issues at EPO.
This is an example how Greeks, since the Revolution, couldn't manage their own affairs and had foreign bodies tell them how to do it or Greeks brought them in to be in charge of Greek affairs. This is when conspiracies fall short, you know, that everybody hates Greece and can't let this country be what it can be, etc.... Two sections of society, sports, and education where Greeks have been 100% in charge show which is true...
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The official name is something like Dept of Education and Religion! I think they recently added "research" to the title. For all the leftist (Marxist) talk of SYRIZA, they remain partners (in crime). It's a crime to have a sub-standard education. And, all the frequent changes aren't good. They need to have a national policy on this.
The political parties are criminally responsible for turning the universities into battle zones. Nowhere in the advanced world there is this chaos and violence seen in Greek U's. I wonder what kind of teaching the professors are able to do when they're interrupted during lectures, their offices are smashed, and even the buildings set on fire during "occupation" stints!
I also hear that some years there is no teaching going on for months because of various reasons. How do you expect the students to get proper instruction and experience in this kind of environment.
Maybe they should turn the whole thing into online "learning" so no need to have bldgs and face to face interaction. Obviously I don't think online learning is good, or as good as in-class, but it can't be worse than what's going on in the U's for decades.
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I don't know much about the recent developments under SYRIZA, but it's my impression the educational system is failing. I know about how difficult it is to get to higher ed (universities), so it's even more important to have a great high school, since for most Greeks this is the education they'll ever get.
The curse of the tutoring system has been around for at least 50 years. It's not only unfair but questions whether education is free for all. Yeah, taxes pay for it, but if you want your kid to learn you have to pay extra for tutors.
So, it's got to be something else they can do to fix the problem. What other advanced countries do? It can't be a secret.
Education is learning about the fundamentals, not necessarily the most obscure details, and above all how to think, how to analyze, find the relevant points, express your thoughts in a coherent way. You want educated citizens, who have been exposed to good pedagogy. All goods flow from this. Society, politics, business, etc, all benefit from a good educational foundation.
But, if you teach religious bullshit (stories that would not pass any serious mind as true or logical or even probable) and try to indoctrinate students into sheeple, then this is a sign that good reform ain't happening. One Greek academic (a lady I forget her name) recently said that Greece has not been touched by the Enlightenment (17-18th+ centuries), and I shook my head in sadness.
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One other fundamental problem is that (not only in Greece) that people want to get a higher degree in order to get a job--and some jobs pay you more because of it even if the degree has nothing to do with your profession. They don't care about the subject of study, and if I'm not mistaken high school grads just want to get in to higher ed schools regardless of the course of study.
If I couldn't study what I liked, I'd not be motivated, like any degree in chemistry, medicine, etc, would not motivate me. Yeah, keep taking those exams for 10 years, maybe I'd get lucky or they'd get tired of me.
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- 1976-1985: Αρχικά η ΔΑΠ-ΝΔΦΚ σταθεροποιείται και μετά το 1981 αυξάνει σημαντικά τα ποσοστά της.
- 1987: Καταλαμβάνει την πρώτη θέση στις φοιτητικές εκλογές με ποσοστό περίπου 27%
- 1990: Σημειώνεται το μεγαλύτερο ποσοστό που κατακτά ποτέ και αγγίζει το 47%
- 2010: Η ΔΑΠ-ΝΔΦΚ παραμένει πρώτη με ποσοστό 40%
- Στις φοιτητικές εκλογές του 2012 αναδείχτηκε για 26η συνεχή χρονιά πρώτη φοιτητική παράταξη με ποσοστό 42,89% στα Πανεπιστήμια και 54,61% στα ΤΕΙ,πανελλαδικά
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8 hours ago, RED SHERIFF said:
education in greece is a vehicle for the far left to spread propaganda..
they ideologically reject the notion that universities are there to provide future workforce for the 'capitalist' system..
the Prime minister himself benefited from being a professional university agitator and rock thrower..
the lao will protect this belief to death...
You may be right, but it's a broad statement, don't you think? For years, it was the ND youth branch that won student elections. So all sides have used higher ed (universities) to peddle their party politics and ideologies.
As for "leftist" propaganda, it's the SYRIZA gov that kept the teaching of religion as indoctrination* course in high school. This is a violation of the principle (leftist?) of church-state separation.
In my opinion, all parties have mishandled education in Greece, worse with higher ed, but also with high school where most Greeks get their education from since only a tiny % gets to higher-ed schools.
*not at comparative, analytical study of religion(s) but as a tool to keep Greeks faithful to the church
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I don't understand how you can advance and even take other courses if you don't pass a course. In the US, it's either you pass or you don't. If you don't you can retake the course once more. However, if you don't maintain a "C" average, you're thrown out. It's the same in private and public universities. Actually, the public U's are becoming harder, and better, because the demand is so great, due to high tuition at private colleges, so the publics can raise their standards.
It's not good that you have "students" in Greek universities that have been there forever. They take seats and resources away...
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I think one of the foundations of a modern, enlightened, and successful society is the educational system. Unfortunately, this is one of the many institutions that has been in crisis. Even the various governments don't know what to make of it other than proceed with big reforms only to be undone by the next government.
What are your thoughts?
I will write more, but I'm sure you have lots to say about this topic, so fire on....
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I was away for a while and missed the excitement here.
The biggest scam/bullshit artist is Trump. If he has millions of Americans thinking he's a good businessman... tsk
Here's a Pulitzer winner journalist, David Cay Johnston explaining how Trump steals from others (that's what it is if you don't pay for services rendered), lost tons of money when real estate market was booming, etc, etc. [link]
But, Donald is good at selling, especially if it's a scam. The definition of a con artist: "con" stands for "confidence"! (who knew?)
and for your entertainment:
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It seems to me that some of those charges are serious legal violations under any circumstances. But, if it's true that Oly benefited from such criminal activities, the club should be demoted and titles taken away. If corrupt Italy could relegate Juventus, Greece should too.
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Well, that was in 2012 when Alafouzos said "we'd build a great team"... But, it's been very obvious that Oly has been largely benefited from the system.
I don't have proof whether Marinakis is guilty of criminal violations but because of his money he got whatever he wanted all these years. He fixed the system to promote Oly, win titles, automatically go to the CL and get 30+ millions, then buy better players, fix games, and repeat the process.
Do you think this is a serious case that has legs or it's one of those fireworks for public consumption? And, if it is a serious case, do you think the Greek state has the will and the ability to see this through?
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21 hours ago, Pana97 said:
I am goong to College to become a History teacher.
History has no future!
But, seriously, it makes me happy to hear someone wanting to be a teacher. My best wishes for success!
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Meanwhile in Greece....
http://www.thisamericanlife.org/greece/#
This American Life has a couple podcasts on this subject with lots of interviews on the several issues of the refugee problem there. It's worth listening. The interactive map is also helpful.
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haha... What money? They probably spent it already...
{the check is in the mail, as they say...}