athinaios
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Fascinating.
Those who are obsessed with law and order, and who want to round up parents of US citizens because they broke traffic law, aren't probably concerned with the abuse of power and law-breaking by the NSA, CIA, FBI.
The same people who were more upset with the revelation of torture not the act of torture.
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Congrats.
It could have been a totally different game if gavroi had scored from the mistake by Glykos, who passed the ball carelessly early on.
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3 hours ago, Tzatziki said:
I believe the person who started the topic has been exiled, and with him go his posts? Could be wrong, but this is the case I think.
yeah, that's the reason.
I edited the title into "music nostalgia" to be more inclusive, but if you want the original I'd be happy to oblige.
By the way, Trainspotting was good movie. I like Ewan McGregor.
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Another very exciting discovery. Pack your bags for a long trip... https://www.nasa.gov/press-release/nasa-telescope-reveals-largest-batch-of-earth-size-habitable-zone-planets-around
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@tantra129 well, sure, Alexander's Macedonians conquered a lot of territory and peoples, so if history of similar conquests is a guide, genes are spread, and mixes. Genghis Khan genes are present in 16 million individuals who have identical y-chromosomes, and some .5% of the world's population.
Why is it that we get excited when we hear that other peoples may have Alexander's (or Hellenic) genes? What difference does it make? I'm serious. Are we to believe that somehow a special something in the genes makes people special?
Anyway, I wonder what similarities exist among the people of the Balkans, and the general Mediterranean area. I wouldn't be surprised if fighting neighbors share some of the same genes.
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Hahaha. Then they should be making only left turns then. I guess that's why UPS is always looking for drivers... Too many right turns and they fall out the open doors. Funny thing, in that picture, the truck's door is open!
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We agree. No matter what currency they use, if they don't get their own affairs in order, Greece ain't recovering.
A sad but accurate description of the state of affairs is the "Super League".... Look how they've "managed" it.... Do you think without any UEFA supervision it would've been better? I mean I don't know, but I seriously doubt it.The sports leagues are run entirely by Greeks, right?
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If I don't kill you, I'll put you in a coma for the next 25 years. If the latter, you'll wake up in time to really die, but you'll be happy to see your grand kids having a better future.
And, if Greece turns into a Third World country, hey, you can't go any lower, the only way would be up.
I hear you, though. I just have a hard time accepting any treatment that can be worse than the disease.
I'm rich, I'm really, really rich. Believe me. I can buy my own country, but it'd be too much of a trouble for me. So, instead, I'll pay off Greece's debt. I'll do that after they follow your advice and they leave the EU and drop the Euro, of course.
Sooooo, now no debt and no memorandum! YEAH! Life is good!!
(maybe too good?)
Now, how soon do you think Greece would be in same predicament as now?
The cure to Greece's ailments is not go back to the drachma. It had the drachma for about 2 centuries.... (just saying)
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I don't want to start a big debate about religion in this thread, but imho Trump isn't religious, but he's playing everyone as such. He has to, since he has to rely on GOP voter support. But, for a person who bragged as never having read a book, I doubt he read the Bible. Remember when he said, "nobody reads the Bible more than me"? Seriously? Who says that really? And, his "2 Corinthians"? [It's "Corinthians II"] :- D
Does anyone here thinks Trump is religious? Or, that he follows any religion? Never mind, whether he behaves like a good Christian... Up to a year ago, he'd go on Howard Stern show to brag about lots of stuff no serious Christian would say out loud... The "grab 'em by the pussy" wasn't an isolated incident.
I hope one of these days someone asks him to recite his favorite passage from the Bible.
Anyway, for me, actions matter more than words in this case.
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OK, this is funny, but there's science behind it.
Why do UPS (delivery service for those who aren't familiar with the largest private delivery service in the US) trucks only make right turns? OK, they make left turns too, but not against incoming traffic (two way street), so by making right turns they don't follow the shortest route. Care to guess why? (before you watch the video)
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First, let's separate emotions (like "I hate the EU & IMF") from facts, and ideological preferences (anti-EU) from available choices.
So, the short answer is.... Greece should do what it its interest but also what it can afford. In other words, the remedy cannot be worse than the treatment.
Based on what I know, Greece cannot afford to go back to the drachma. Shedding the debt and loans, sounds great, but bankruptcy means no more $$, and they'd have to import anything they need (oh, and they need just about everything) with a deeply devalued drachma, because I assume the country doesn't export enough goods (to raise hard currency) in order to buy what it needs, from fuels, to foods.
I'll write more later....
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12 hours ago, Amorgos said:
I don't think this is particularly great, this does not change their behaviour or have them understand why their post in considered a trolling post so in essence, whilst they are talking to themseleves without knowing it, your also increasing your work load with out changing the wrong behaviour.
This is the path we're choosing here. In my experience, very few people change their behavior, at least not immediately, and especially while in the heat of the battle. Like a ref, or a news editor, long discussions aren't really productive and most often are perceived as a bargaining session--which is not.
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@Athens4You have to ask them. Polls (OK, from last year) suggest most Greeks want to keep the Euro.
Are you asking me why Greece should keep the euro?
And, by the way, being in the EU isn't necessarily synonymous with common currency. A few members have kept their national currency. Though I'm not sure Greece could now go back to the drachma without major pains.
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Thank you, Athens4 for the good post.
Conditions, in my opinion, don't have to be the same, though minimum standards are necessary. I think it goes back to the formation of the modern state, appearing in the 16th c, but really forming in the 18th c. What makes people transfer allegiance from clan, to tribe, to state? It could be myths, aspirations, but above a beneficial relationship.
Notions of citizenship, nationalism, patriotism, are forged over time and the relationship between the rulers and the people is based on benefits for both. For thousands of years, people were subjects not citizens.
It may surprise you that after the Am. Revo most people identified as citizens of their particular states. The Articles of Confederation (like EU's governing rules) were ineffective. It took another decade to scrap those and write a new constitution that made the US a federal republic. But, it wasn't until the Civil War (1860) that "the US are" to "the US is".. (though some in the South are still fighting the CW.
If Euro states begin to see more benefits to cost, attitudes will change. In a way, it's already true. Many Greeks hate the harsh measures but still think being in Europe with the Euro is better than going back to drachmas and isolation.
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Well, look, it's worth discussing or thinking about what we can do to make this place more enjoyable. Many, many sites' quality deteriorates when they allow a free-for-all. I'm not for censorship, in the sense of opposing but reasoned arguments, however, we've seen threads deteriorate to name calling and basically members taunting others, or just bullshitting just to vent. Sorry, but this is not the place to vent frustrations by smashing things around.
Anyway, this thread will be about matters of science, which I think should concern us all. The next topic, within this thread, can be about anything scientific. Anything, from Space X, going to the planets, to Westworld and AI (artif. intel)
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On 11/21/2016 at 2:59 PM, King_Katsouranis said:
.. Farage though, he is a racist no two ways about it. Look at the definition of racist, then see Farage's comments about Romanians and "Chinks". The guy is just an a**hole all round. He is no friend of the working man like he claims.
Yeah? But he doesn't admit he's a racist. In the good ol' days, they would admit it as a badge of honor.
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I think we have several members who have an interest in science, in the scientific discoveries, and in the debates of public policy that involve issues science has something to say about, like climate change or global warming. I hope in this thread, at least, we keep the high standards of reasoned statements and reasonable discussion.
I'll start this thread with a disturbing new study from Stanford U., "Anyone can become an internet troll".... "The research offers evidence that, under the right circumstances, anyone can become a troll." I hope there are exceptions to this, as we'll demonstrate here. Right? Some of you will notice that some suggestions from this article are being practiced here....
A short excerpt from the article:
“Understanding what actually determines somebody to behave antisocially is essential if we want to improve the quality of online discussions,... ....Insight into the underlying causal mechanisms could inform the design of systems that encourage a more civil online discussion and could help moderators mitigate trolling more effectively.”
Interventions to prevent trolling could include discussion forums that recommend a cooling-off period to commenters who have just had a post flagged, systems that automatically alert moderators to a post that’s likely to be a troll post or “shadow banning,” which is the practice of hiding troll posts from non-troll users without notifying the troll."
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You call it a "spy ship" I call it a friendly ambassador. Besides, it's so obvious... .who would spy like that? don't they have satellites in the sky and moles in the US?
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15 hours ago, Bananas said:
Everyone was also going to get ice-cream but you all blew it.
But seriously, you guys have been getting out of line for a while now. Not every post but often enough.
Picture the "discussion" you're having in. Would you guys speak to each like that in person ? If yes, then I'm guessing it would come to blows in short order. To me it just looks like you're all yelling at each other.
Oh well, more ice-cream for me.
Very well said. Except one.... where did you get that ice cream??? I hope you didn't raid our secret stash.... Did you find the key I misplaced?
Go to Tantra's ingloo and chip some ice, add some syrup and serve!
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This is getting out of control
I'm going to edit/delete posts and ask everyone to cool it and take a breather...
@aek66 don't repeat: "you are the rag and the liberal mouthpiece."
@ jimAdam cool it
@Hudson Don't challenge the mods like that. To the mods: ........Same posters keep spewing their garbage and I (and a couple others) call it, they whine that their views must be respected. Well, I demand you respect my views too..<<< NOT APPROPRIATE
@thrylos don't escalate
@olympic Hellas don't escalate
It's late, but I'll be editing posts here and around the Let's Talk About it, because we're not having a discussion anymore. I tried to reply to several of you, or via PM, but I realized it's not working and I don't want to go around in circles.
I'll also be deleting and hiding some posts until we figure out how to proceed here.
As the mods have said, we don't see everything, and the warnings may be uneven but we have to keep in mind this is not an arena to exercise hooliganism.
As a footnote, I'm following the discussion in the GreekSoccer thread and it's interesting to see what happened over there. We can't allow the same thing to happen here.
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Com'on AEK66, you don't mean it only means that, right?
In the US individual choice is not about abortion only. Of course, the right to birth control, and abortion should be a woman's choice, but individual choice includes freedom of religion and from religion, pursuit of happiness (defined by the individual), freedom of expression, which includes criticism, individual choice in marrying a person of one's choice, access to information, free assembly and association, where to live, what to buy and eat, and I could go on and on.
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@Bananas@Hudson well said. People are angry at the establishment, but they share part of the responsibility. Even though there are plenty of reasons for people to be angry and agitated, I'm afraid that in the cases you mentioned, the people are being manipulated by demagogues to whip them into an agitated mob and steered into a direction that offers no solutions to their problems. It's like, let's burn down the house, because there are termites..
When someone is angry, agitated, scared, etc, but without good knowledge or training, they most likely make serious mistakes, rush to judgment, and can be easily manipulated. Practicing citizenship requires serious and responsible effort.
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1 minute ago, Epicurus said:
Yes, great show, but is that all people want? What would you do if could go to Westworld?
I'd learn how to ride a horse really well..
5 hours ago, Hudson said:I watched all episodes. I couldn't help thinking about AI (artif. intel) and what conscience is... How would you know if a machine is conscious? Is the line somewhere between competence and comprehension? Machines (and not only
) are competent in performing tasks, but comprehension involves understanding that leads to more complex behavior, synthesize information and create new concepts, actions, etc.
Then at which point a machine can be self-conscious? Is there any way to know? I assume you are conscious because you're very similar to me, and I know I'm conscious (well, most of the time
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Guys, if you like Westworld you'll definitely like Ex Machina.
Interesting questions. I'd be in a quandary if my robotic house cleaner said I'm working "her" too much.
Ex Machina is a great movie with lots of twists and an unexpected ending.
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Westworld is a new series on HBO. Its premise is "to satisfy every desire of the guests"... In one scene, the question is, "do you know why Westworld is so successful?" and the answer is, because it gives people what they really want.... to F*** and kill!
2016-2017 Europa League Games Topic
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Oly has to score in Turkey and that's not impossible. Besiktas isn't such a great team. I think it'll depend on which Oly team shows up since they haven't been in good form lately.