athinaios
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Thanks Irlande,
I'm watching this exciting game, PAO is in control. THey led most of the game, but 3rd qurter was big..
Now it's some 5' to play and PAO is up by 7, but it's tight...
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This is an amazing team, getting to the Final Four after beating the favorite Barca!!
Today, PAO beat Siena and will play in the final game on Sunday against Makabi.
Goooooooooooooooooo PAO for the 6th!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :tup:
Can't wait for the final game.
No matter what happens there or in Greece (playoffs for the domestic title), no other Greek team has ever done what Panatha has done, and I'm grateful to see my team being a dominant powerhouse in whole Europe!
I know basketball is a different domain but this model should be copied by the football club.
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I'm happy to see this. Greek teams need more stadia like that. Capacity is good too--if they can fill it close to capacity during SL games, great! They don't need more than that for the occasional bigger game (and big teams fans can't travel nowadays anyway). Better to have a smaller filled stadium than a half-filled bigger one.
I just hope hooligans don't destroy it. :angry:
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I wonder sometimes whether Gekas could have sustained this kind of effectiveness in the Greek league....
We got Salpi and we told him to go to PAOK, and he refused. Good move on his part. I think we should have kept him (and Salpi).
Good to see Greeks doing well in Europe
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So, when do you think Valverde's chair will break a leg? I reckon before the end of the year. :P
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Valverde would be a fool to return.... Unless he does it just for the money. He got the club 2 titles and he was let go. How can he work long-term if he knows that he may be shown the door at any point?
But, Kokalis thinks he's a football genius. whatever.
It's in the interest of all to have a competitive league, with good officiating, appropriate fields, etc.
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I'm not a violent person, but if I see Biscan and Zutautas I'll deck them too! :box:
Oh, the amount of brain cells I wasted here talking about their horrible PAO tourist vacation....
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I don't think in the 4 years since Athens 04, Greece produced any NEW Olympics winner. Those who got the medals were veterans. So, what does this tell you?... :tdown:
But, honestly I've lost lots of interest in the Olympics. I don't think after the 1960s (maybe early 70s) there's been a true sportsmanlike Olympics. Doping, politics, money (lots of it), and lots of waste in investing for a venue that saddles the many with debts while a few make $$$$.
As for the medals, I think it's an overblown ad campaign. Except for a few exceptional athletes (and you never know who is trully legit) that make the news, very few people remember what country did what. Well, perhaps they'll remember for a few years that Greece got the white gold medal for most dopped "athletes" in the Beijing games.
The IOC is corrupt, the athletes take chances with drugs, others are officially abused (ie., underage Chinese gymnasts), and everybody wants to believe in the purity of the sport... Like, I want to believe there's Santa Claus. :la:
As for Fannie Halkia, come on folks, she was a "journalist" not an athlete just 2 years prior to showing up to win the gold in Athens! Same with Kenteris, Thanou, and, and.... Those who know how super athletes develop know that they are not comets--come out of nowhere, shine, and disappear. And, don't tell me this "secret" was not known to the Greek officials.
Same thing goes with countries that win medals consistently. They have a program, they show up and do well with rather small variations. They're not unknown and in 1 Olympiad they get 20 medals only to disappear the next. Any reasonable person would question this! ;)
Anyway, it's nationalism and big business (with big ad budgets) that keep the Olympics going, but I don't think for much too long. They'll become like ..Eurovision :LOL: mostly a big deal in Greece and other eastern-euro countries, oh, and Turkey.
In closing, I'd like to include a modest statement of the winner of the women's 400 hurdles in Athens:
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Greece:16
Bulgaria: 12
Russia:10
We're first!!!! :LOL: :( :(
For those who didn't get it, Greece leads with the most dopped athletes. That's a feat considering the number of the whole "team" sent to Beijing!
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I just read that Fannie Halkia was found dopped. Today, her second sample was positive too. What a shame.
Halkia was the one that was sent to Beijing even though Hadji (what's her name) who had better time this year and had asked for 1 play-off meeting with Halkia??!!! But, the officials didn't listen. I guess they're sorry now. :angry:
The "funny" thing is that 15 Greek athletes were found to be using the same illegal substance! Organized crime?
PS>I don't understand why both could not go? Doesn't every country have the chance to send 3 athletes for a sport with 3 medals?
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Loup makes great points. That's why I personally don't get too wrapped up about these things.
It's a big business above all now. Not so long ago, it was politics above all with the different block trying to prove their superiority. Whatever.
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I don't know whether a situation like this should drag until the Olympics have started. It's BS.
On the other hand, Thanou isn't clean. Disappearing before a dopping test in Athens 2004 shows guilt. She has damaged the sport & Greece. But the IOC is full of crap, as usual.
So, can Greece sub another runner? Or, is it too late? It shouldn't be if the IOC just decided...
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Oh, yeah, I agree with you on that! :LOL: :LOL: :tup:KOKKALI :tup:
P.S. I pray PAO win the league!
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The only good reason that Lemonis should have been fired would be if Oly had already a big name as a coach. Otherwise, it's not a very good move. It's unrealistic to expect a coach to win the domestic title and by up be several points this late in the season every year.
This unwise move also sets the tone for anyone who's thinking of coming to coach Oly. I mean, by any standard why should a coach do that unless it's a STEP UP for him (rather unknown and coming from a lesser team)? The team played some great games in the CL, lost to Chelsea in England, is in the hunt for the domestic title and the favorite to win the cup! If this not a successful season, or if this is how Kokalis sees a bad year, then only a fool would agree to coach gavroi..... Constantly being under threat of being fired, and before the end of the season!
I don't think Lemonis made gavroi into a great team, but he used what players he had (and their ability) to do a good job. I also think Kokalis is very ungreatful to Lemonis, and if Lemonis ever comes back he'd have no self-respect either.
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I was shocked to hear this but not surprised. I had attended several games before that in various facilities and I could see that most had death traps. As a very young person didn't fully appreciate the danger, but a few times I had experienced being stuck and the crowd pushing against me.... NOT a pleasant thing. Horrible.
What a senseless death for those palikaria.... But, you know, there are too many savages among the "fans" who hate those who wear different colors so much to hurt them.... Because when you carry a club and you swing it against someone else, or you stab them.... it's like wanting to kill them.
Anyway, hopefully not only I don't want to see more deaths, but no injuries either.
Cause sometimes you can't correct a wrong.....
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Thanks guys.
The price is $65 Euros, plus 35 for shipping to countries out of Europe. If 1 US $= 1.5 E, then it's very expensive, more than $160 US! Wow!
I'll have to find a "copy" and actually I'd like it better without the Cosmote.
Monastiraki, heh? ;)
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I have to say, this is the best jersey in a very long time! OK, maybe because it's simple. And, I like the trifilli plain.
How do we get one here in the states? Cyberfish, where/how did you get yours?
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Pappou, I'm not sure, but are you certain Leoforos belongs to PAO? I think way back the Dimos gave it to PAO to built a gipedo, but I don't think it really belongs (on paper) to PAO.
Anyway, that's not my point.... My point is, OK we keep Leoforos, then WHAT? Say, the dimos/gov don't want to sub the new gipedo.... either at Votaniko, or where-ever. What do we do?.... Really? what the f*^k do we do? Leoforos is old, UEFA doesn't want it..... so? we can keep complaining, begging for money for the next 40 years.
I, for one, would like to be in our new home to celebrate our 100 years!
I think it's a game all sides are playing. Crap. Tzigger has the money. As a matter of fact, I'd prefer PAO uses exclussively its own money so
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I also wanted to add that AEK has been making money this year by playin at OAKA....
For example, AEK-PAOK 36,000.... PAO-OLY 14,000
I'm not for huge stadium, cause this is Greece and a small market... but one for 40,000 should be perfect! I'd even suggest to have very cheap tickets for lesser games so more people attend.
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I think we are witnessing the very last games in Leoforo... like the derby against Oly this Sunday maybe the last one played there...
So, some retrospect and reverence are in order.... especially considering that this historic field of dream will be gone for ever, only last in our collective memories....
Other teams buld on site, so they retain much of the sense of home, but we are moving so it's harder for us.
The final game in Leoforo will take place soon... so, gents, revere the Leoforo for as long as it stands.... and take the great memories to our new home.
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Panos you're making good points....
There are teams, like the Boston Celtics, LA Lakers, etc.. usually big markets, established fan base that haven't moved, won't move, and have a big legacy and rabbid fans. Yet, of course I see the differnce between US and Euro sports, and it's big.... (like the euro better myself)
On the other hand, in this 21st century, it's beyond my comprehension that PAO, any professional team, doesn't know exactly all the factors I mentioned in my earlier posting!!!!
In short, PAO managements should already know if, say, they move to Elliniko, how the fans will react. Simple polls won't do. I've worked with political polling in the states... For example, if 99% of fans want Goudi, does this mean that anywhere else a stadium will be a failure? NO! You measure the intensity and commitment of the fans.....and a host of other factors....
Listen, Leoforos is my emotional home, like 1000% of the rest of Panathes... but we have to move, I guess, I'm just asking how come we're discussing the issue without anyone knowing what any move will do to the club....
I tend to believe that Vardi has done his research.... He knows the fans want Goudi, but he leans towards Elliniko... He's trying to find a good way to tell the fans, is playing the Goudi card and trying to get as much from the gov. for Elliniko.....
My choices: 1. leoforos (can't they buy property around the gipedo?) 2. Goudi, 3. Elliniko
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i'm fascinated by all this talk.... i live in NY and the jets are now playing in NJ and want to build a stadium in Manhattan with no space for parking... Anyway, my point is that all this what if, maybe, we'll see, you're wrong, i'm right, etc.etc.... Any serious business knows EXACTLY who goes where, buys what, for what reasons, who attends, under what conditions, level of fan commitment, where they come from, whether someone would travel an extra 20 minutes to save $20 (on ticket price), and so forth....
I mean, com'on, it's not a rush decision... we've been talking about a new stadium for many, many years! If we don't know by now, we'll never know, and we're just playing roulette!
Geesh men, sorry, but isn't PAO a modern company with professional people to market the team, do research into its "customer base"?
Amazing, f^^king amazing!
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I'm willing to bet you that PAO will make a new stadium in Elliniko....
Why? Because
1.there is more than enough space there.... (it's huge!!!)
2. Plenty of parking
3. plenty of commercial oppurtunities to make money
4. All PAO clubs can be under one roof so to speak
5. Fewer objections by the locals.... especially if they buy the argument that a metro park needs income to be made and maintained....
6. Vardi is a businessman above all and from a commercial point of view, Elliniko is the most promising.
7. Will stick it to Kokkalis as PAO having a better/bigger stadium.
8. Because the space is already available the building of the new stadium and adjecent facilities can take place FAST!!!! Fast, fast, fast!
9. Management thinks that any objections from fans for picking Elliniko will subside once the fans see a state of the art stadium, CHEAPER tickets (seasonal and otherwise) and other ammenities!
10. Though I'm so attached to Leoforos, like all of you friends, if the team moves to Elliniko, even against our wishes, what are we going to do?.... stay away for a while, but soon we'll go.... especially if the team does well..... And owners know this! If, besides parking, they make it easy with public transport to get there, vazeloi will fill the stadium, especially if we are in the CL play! No????!!!!
So, any one cares to bet with me? ;)
Euroleague 2015
in Panathinaikos
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Woooooooooooooooow! PAO up by 11 with 3.5 minutes to play. GOOOOOOOOOOOOO PANAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAATHA!!!!!!!!
It's almost ours.... Com'on guys... :rolleyes: