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It's very depressing J1078, I read since the 2016 Euro qualifiers the NT record in 41 matches is 13W 9D 19L. Just pathetic and most of the losses are to average or minnow teams aside from the loses to Belgium and Croatia. I can accept a loss to Belgium like the 1-2 defeat in Athens but not to countries like Estonia, faroes, North Ireland, Hungary, Finland, Luxembourg, Saudi Arabia etc. I don't know what the problem is when they play these crap sides I remember Ranieri laughing in press conferences saying they will win and expect to win these games like the ones vs Finland, North Ireland and Faroe Islands only to come out totally flat. The mentality has to change, hopefully it will because when we played Belgium to a draw in Brussels and even the defeat in Greece the team looked more sharp and played with more purpose. Maybe vs the top countries in the upcoming Euro qualifiers we will see the same. I can only hope so.

The teams in Pot 3 aren't THAT much better than the ones in Pot 4. If we are up to task to qualify, we should be able to take any one of them. Pot 3 definitely has more quality but even the best side could have easily found itself in Pot 4. Israel, Bulgaria, Finland, Norway are not strong teams; If we land one of those we would turn the table on this draw IMO. If there is one team I would want to avoid, it's Turkey. As much as I would circle the dates on my calendar, we are already in the hole going into this campaign, and the rivalry would render these games just as difficult as the ones vs Pot 1 and 2 sides; we have enough obstacles as it is. Here's hoping for a favourable draw.

Right now, who we draw means little imo. We need to focus on our team and the football they produce. We are deadset horrible again, I actually watched highlights of the Costa Rica game at the gym last night and I have to say, night and day to today. Lazaros was a beast on the wing, taking on players and getting past, up front Salpi and Gekas caused problems whilst Mitro was too slow (even then) to trouble the defence. Samaras was also dangerous wider. Point is, you need to have a balance and we need to stop this slow central players (Mantalos & Bakasetas) on the wing or horrible passers (Pelkas) out there too. We have wing players, use them, and watch an improvement. Finishing our chances is the other issue, massive opportunity for an up and coming striker to make a name for themselves

We shouldn’t be making fun of our own player. Do you think he wanted to end up like this? I agree with @nasl his passing and skill were way ahead than any other Greek player apart from Fetfa. Ninis might be playing at the lowest level but that shouldn’t mean he is our worst player. If anything we should be backing him with any chance we get. I don’t like hearing sarcastic remarks about him. It’s not like Fortounis, Pelkas or Mantalos are proving to be any better for the national team.

yeah we basically got Navas his job at Real Madrid that game lol