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jvc Panathinaikos was probably the most successful Greek team in Europe up until 2010. The last eight years you are horrible. Not that history can be erased, just for your information. And every team's problem start from their own people. Tell us about Vardinogiannis family, Alafouzos, Giannakopoulos family, Pateras, Vgenopoulos, about the Paiania training palace, etc. The history proved those families can make peace with Kokkalis, Olympiakos, Marinakis, but not with each other. That's why you are at this point right now.

@jvc the only PAO is paying any debts at all is because they are being forced to. If they weren't threatened by UEFA and EPO they wouldn't pay a dime. As for PAOK or any club for that matter making the CL the world has changed in the last 15 years or so. Every greek team will get a beat down in the CL. The gap between the big clubs has increased too much. The days of competing or beating Juves etc are gone. Don't compare PAOK making the CL now as equivalent to what was achieved back in the days. Different days. You can't compare. In the meantime, PAO should focus on paying off their debts ... even if it's only because they're forced to do it.

Guys don't you get it? jvc wants special treatment for his club. They brake all the rules, but don't want to pay the consequences. And then you wonder why the league standards get lower and lower.

That's not what i meant and you know it. A start would be treating all teams the same and not based on how much revenue they make, number of fans etc. Maybe that will be help gain back some trust and stability. Can't believe that this is even a discussion point tbh :S Do you honestly believe that the super league is in a mess because PAO are crap? HAHA that's unreal.

Did you even read my post? The reason that the leagues in Scotland got stronger and attendances went up was because some justice was served. The new rangers had to start in the lowest league, money was distributed better, they brought a new attention to lower leagues etc. There was alsochink of hope that things might change. I will quote myself again so you can read what i wrote. "the level of arrogance you show when the mask slips is the attitude that enables and feeds the corruption, mismanagement, division, mistrust etc not just within Greek football but wider society." People don't trust the super league and EPO, they are sick and tired of the corruption and favoritism shown to Oly and PAO because you have more fans, richer, more powerful, corrupt owners. Why don't you understand this? The league is a mess because of the way your owners have have manipulated the system and rigged the game. You have the audacity to sit there and demand the rest of Greek football bends over backwards, changes the rules etc and be thankful for all your millions of fans? Get real you clown.

Jesus wept JVC... You really are an insufferable hypocrite. Why don't oly, aek and pao just go and play each other all year round and enjoy your love affair together? POK is an irremovable stain on your history and i would be utterly ashamed of it, had my club done similar. This the level of arrogance you show when the mask slips is the attitude that enables and feeds the corruption, mismanagement, division, mistrust etc not just within Greek football but wider society. We were told in Scotland that there would be "Armageddon" if the new rangers had to start in the bottom tier. Guess what? the opposite happened and the other teams got stronger and attendances went up across the country.

jvc if Panathinaikos relegates, he will bring more interest to the Football League or Football League II. See the positive side. Iraklis, Aris, and AEK went already, but still the level is not improved. They need a really BIG team to help those divisions grow and move forward.