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Damn shame. He was the best south american, german,catholic non speaking greek on the team......i loved him \ no one will replace his speed, not even Tziolis

I know there have been a few mixed reviews upon K Pap`s performance vs Estonia, but keep in mind that there were a lot of absentees, especially after the injuries and he was playing out of position. The NT is just on another level when he is on the field. He is fierce, confident and hungry, and that rubs off. I am so happy to see him healtly and playing. Skibbe knows him well and will be relying on him a lot. If fit, he will be one of the most important players of the generation for the NT.

^i also tend to agree that we don't play well against the weaker teams and we tend to play down to our competition, hopefully against Bosnia the players step up and play there asses off. I feel like Greece has always played better when they're considered the underdog, but for some reason when they tend to be the favorites going into a game they don't play well, I'm really hoping this is the case for our poor play lately and the NT comes up huge in the big games against Bosnia and Belgium. One of the reasons I believe we didn't play well besides the obvious in the Euro qualifier is that we went in there excepting to jsut dominate the the group and thought it was going to be a breeze and that reflected in our play, and once 3-4 games settled in with losses it was such a shock and we couldn't turn it around. The Bosnia game is absoloutley crucial to get a win as that would put to 12 points to there 6 with some breathing room. We cannot lose this game under any circumstances if we want to control our own destiny for the WC.

96k I think, I was there, when Australia scored without exaggeration I'd say 60k+ celebrated...would have been roughly 35k Greeks there, and this was post euro 2004 euphoria against the home country of Australia who had also qualified for the World Cup for the first time since 74, put Greece in a match here against Bosnia or Estonia and I'll eat my hat if more than 10-15k turn up. fast forward 10 years and only 33k turned up to watch the same 2 teams, you would be surprised how things can change in a decade. Especially in this country where the younger generation Greeks have been seduced by the A league and been coached into hating Sydney Olympic and sm Hellas. as far as Greece itself is concerned, It will always be a club before country place, the only time this was remotely challenged was just after the euro triumph, normal service resumed pretty quickly.

the Greek football NT is my favourite team for all sports. A lot of people in Greece are huge fans too but there's a weird meme going on where people also shun patriotism. Shits gotta stop. Greece has fantastic history, people, culture. We should be reverent for it and support each other!

How to lose the ball, miss tackles, throw hissy fits and take the occasional stellar set piece.

Guys its great we won but please guys let's not forget who we beat. Playing the way we've played in all 3 games if we were to start against Bosnia, Belgium and Gibraltor then We would be 1 wins 2 losses, we have no chemistry no fluidity, our coverage is poor our passing is even worse, no one is asking for this team to turn into Germany we just believe we can play better and cleaner football. Everyone in my mind was poor in the Estonia game, some guys worse then others. I pray These guys are ready for Bosnia and Skibbe which I have no faith in makes the right selections for once.

Omg I forgot about the incident with Samaras. K. Pap needs to be in the team. What a mad man.

I would be pissed too if I were benched in favor of Tzavellas and Karelis. Yes, he should be a team player but that is pretty infuriating.

That's why Skibbes judgment continues to be questioned, don't kid yourselves and think the results changed because of Skibbe, bottom line is we were never as bad as the results were in the EQ, things were bound to start going our way with whoever was coach. From Raneri and Makaranian, Skibbe is definitely the worst when in regards to subs and staring line up. Skibbe thinks in big games against big team the likes of Tzavelas, Tziolis,maniatis is going to hold the fort? Is he serious? And now because of his personal issues with Holebas he mistreated him and now we are less one talented player which we can't afford to lose as we don't have many. How much better would our team be with Holebas in there and Ninis as bench option for fortounis if he gets injured and Kone as a bench option, now with those guys it gives some options and depth on the bench if certain players aren't clicking that day. As much as I want to be positive like some suggest it's very hard as this team is playing some ugly football against weak teams and it's going to get tiring fast watching teams dominate us all day on the field. say what you want about Bosnia I watched those games after and even they the beat Cyprus 2-0 late, they dominated them the entire game, and in the Estonia match I don't think Estonia had a shot on goal and I believe Bosnia beat them 5-0 so there defense held up as some suggest it's s%$#!, bottom line Bosnia loks way better then us on field to start the WQ. We need to change this fast.

Holebas was getting regular game time for the national team when not playing regularly at club level & now that he has played in every minute of every EPL match for Watford this season he is 3rd choice left back behind Tzavellas & Stafylidis. More importantly Greece has too many conservative footballers & not enough flare & this will hurt Greece against the tough opponents like Bosnia-Herzegovina & Belgium.

he will be out for around 2 or 3 weeks. means he most likely will be ready for bosnia's match wich will be in around 5 weeks. "muscle injury to the adductor area". https://translate.google.nl/translate?hl=nl&sl=de&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.sport.de%2Fnews%2Fne2458902%2Fbitter-dortmund-wochenlang-ohne-sokratis%2F https://translate.google.nl/translate?hl=nl&sl=de&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.fussball.news%2Foffenbar-mehrere-wochen-pause-fuer-sokratis-reus-nimmt-mannschaftstraining-auf%2F