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Bringing up a few positive results justifies that the league is improving? What about the decline in player quality? Also many of those sides you mention are not the sides they once were. This arsenal is not the arsenal paok beat in 97. This juve is not juve 96. This man u is not fergie's man u. It's worrying that you have been watching for the last 10 years and not realized that the quality has dropped. Tactics have changed in that time, managers with new ideas have come over but neither suggest a change in quality for the better. Player quality is the worst it has been. Like you have mentioned, excellent managers and organization, i will add determination and grit have brought about those results. You even admit that the greek league is 'punching above its weight'. This wasn't always the case in the past. How many times has panathinaikos sent out fantastic sides? In 85, that was a truly gifted side, housing some great individuals. Give me a list of great talents coming through today, and compare them to those of the past. So in excess of 20m from CL alone every season for the last 15 or so years doesn't translate into a solid budget? Okay so you have your expenses, but seriously where is all this money? If the money doesn't go into the side, that is a different issue all together. Okay so arsenal's budget is superior but there is more than enough available to put together a great side every season. Last 16 needs to be the expectation every season, if not because you can come across better sides, then a good showing in the europa cup. The fact that oly haven't done this suggests, failure.

meta thn ntroph me ton gayro nikhste toulaxiston thn gria :rolleyes:

If the squad is under 25, then at least Tsanas will be playing to his one and only strength.

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Gayros hasn't proved anything by beating arsenal! It is only a game! Let's talk when they go through that group! Enough said!

too much talk and no action! this is sooooo prolonged,it's not even funny any more!

Yes a real league. Not some substandard competition in the Middle East or the NASL or the Australian A-League. Come back to Greece. He won't do it because he's been used to the weak Scottish League and he wouldn't want to be shown up by a Platanias or Panionios.

Klopp is entering into a graveyard of a club.... Will take at least 2-3 years to rebuild a team that has ANY sort of title aspirations Have no idea why he would want to undertake that job..... he was better off waiting for the Bayern job that will open up at the end of the season

Just seems you cant accept the fact that Oly has failed time after time in CL with the amount of attempts they have had. In regards to Portugal, fact is we are more successful than they are, we have 1 title to show for it, where as they have none.

I agree with Reaper, I don't think any of the Greek players are excited or even looking forward to playing any more games in this campaign. I think even if it's something minor that the players have they will use that as an excuse not to play. The passion and the excitement for putting on that Jersey and playing is evaporating quickly. You will see it again in the NI campaign watch the players body language it will show a lot. We need a coach quick to restore this team and start building trust in his team and players. We all talk s%$#! about our players including myself, but why is that they are performing so much better with there club teams and not performing at all with the NT. example Mitro scoring again Fortounis looks good just to name a few. The reason is because the atmosphere with the NT sucks. Any other campaign this game would be no big deal to us and the worst result for us maybe would have been a disappointing tie but now we look like minnows and NI look like Giants. Bottom line I'm not excepting to see an improved team against NI especially with the culture and attitude on this team right now and Tsanas leading the way. NEW COACH + NEW ATTITUDE -EPO = SUCCESS

I only wish the Greek NT had a player like him. Best striker in the GSL by a margin.