It's just mind boggling how over the last 5 years we have lost to the likes of Faroes, Luxembourg, Hungary, Estonia and Finland and now the draw with Liechtenstein. This should never occur with the talent we can throw out on the pitch and would never have happened with the great players and leaders like Karagounis, zagorakis etc.. Also Otto and Santos did not put up with any crap from the players and the EPO and they worked as they wished not like the circus atmosphere that we have seen over the past 5 years.