Alphonse

Skibbe not calling up very in form players is no surprise even when it means Tziolis takes their place

Surely not... Skibbe can't be that dumb and yes he has proven a very low IQ in the past. Tziolis is pointless starting any of these games given he started in most Qualifiers for Russia 2018

It has its flaws but it does not hide truths as well. Since October 2016, we have won 2 games vs Cyprus & Gibraltar so we can’t expect that much

It sux that Tziolis is still there and Tzavellas when there is two other left backs too lol. But there is some positives guys, no Kapino and rightfully so. Karelis is back, no useless Vellios, Maniatis & Diamantakos. Bakakis finally got a call up! Limnios & Kourmbelis, interesting picks. See if they get any time. Dunno if there ready but I’m sure it’s about squad experience. Shame no Fetfa and Vasilakakis was due a call up, we have so many defenders picked prob not needed

Far out

No, we were on the subject so why not mention it

You don't see reason in what I said? Can you not take anything on because you are PAOK? You're spot on re Larisa pitch - horrendous

Bloody hope not re OSFP-EPO, which goes back to the issues with Greek soccer, there is always a bias way in EPO... they can't go back to the OSFP favoritism, it's what created so much hate and boiling points, that means nothing will be achieved with what's going on now. Thank you very much for the run down, much appreciated. If Grammenos wanted to fix the National Team he could have done much much more than move them out of Karaiskaki, there was no friendlies planned for at least a year and Skibbe... to make a team a family again is a weak reason given how that happened (picking the same guys over and over no matter of form) but let's see if Skibbe pays off

When Machlas moved to Holland his game went up 3 gears, great player

Safety reasons, it’s not that hard to comprehend after what’s happened at Toumba the last two games. PAOK fans will claim conspiracy as per above, if the game was played there and PAOK fans used it as a avenue to protest and something went wrong, we look silly again so let’s think with some logic. I predict a 1-1 draw at OAKA

Would love to see this

Of course in know who he is, Vagellis Grammenos. I don’t know how he became the leader, non of his actions or comments have shown anything is what I have seen, how did he become? I have not really seen any improvements, the officiating has gotten better in the sense that OSFP has not had favourable calls go their way this season like they usually do which created a very close SL. The main thing is, and sadly they don’t know how to deal and solve issues like the last few weeks, there is always delays, inconsistencies, never any calm or smart leadership and most of all no accountability. I don’t think the Greek mentality will allow things to move forward really, there are some blogs on Agona about the culture that speak to this, but even the Deputy Sports Minister does not inspire me with any confidence. Until there is some brains in charge and presidents actually lead the way for starters we won’t get anywhere in Greece

90% chance game will be moved to Athens

Big chance this game will change venue

The referee on a Greek sport show after the game gave it off side, it's down to interpretation, it's a tough call, personally I think it's actually a goal as Bargas was at full stretch and we saw his reaction after it went in.

@Jimmyp I have never seen him, have heard mixed things about him but generally good stuff, were you surprised he flunked in Italy?

I like the line up but for Tachtsidis, time to give someone else a go, I would prefer runners tbh. he does not take hold of games, Kourbelis and Zeca for example would be great to see, also Galanopoulos next to Kourbelis would be good to see

After recent events this could be catastrophic, you think that is fair to say? Will this effect Antenna Pacific games?

Very good post and on the money. You make a key point about the money men and people in power in Greece... for me this is the real issue, a huge lack of common sense, calmness and leadership. The curruption and anarchist culture in Greece has killed football IMO. Big point you make, until the OSFP incident with cops at the AEK game the season was going fine, and following that incidents at Toumba in the two games we have spoken about by only some people have created chaos because the Greeks can’t handle situations and in a timely manner. EPO needs a leader, the current president is useless, frankly, I think people from abroad need to come in and actually run the game in Greece as I can’t see them changing to be able to handle situations that go a little haywire, it just becomes one big mess

Did you forget what Panathinaikos has copped??? My god people!! I’m trying to not get involved but some of the things I’m reading... Savvidis forced a match to be abandoned, PAOK will be punished for this weather you guys like it or not or try convince yourselves you won’t. Whats a shame is how good the fans were despite the one idiot in the OSFP game. For the sake of Greek Football they need to act on this right away. As much as you guys want to talk about the past it’s not gona get you anywhere. The “authorities” have really only started to hold some accountability the last few years. PAO has been heavily punished as a result, you can’t escape this.

1995 You guys continue to surprise me, it's actually quite pointless how long I have follow Greek Football for, I know of your writing well Blackhell and your tv stuff which I love, I have not just come on board Greek football. My post you have quoted clearly states why I asked you the questions I did but you guys don't see the big picture. I know the history and I know OSFP's juganought of the league. I expect they lose the 3 points vs AEK Bravo to Savvidis for doing what I am looking at PAOK to do - take so responsibility without putting a blame or deflecting it on others!!!!

I just told you I don't feel AEK harassed the officials, it was dumb and the reff should have booked both AEK and PAOK players that kept surrounding him but that was the referee's perogative. Ok, see what happens in court Sydney PAOK, I think you have more to worry about than me but hey, let's see what happens

Ela re file, man handled and verbally abused the official? There is not a single mention of that anywhere, your just deflecting here. My point is pointing the finger elsewhere like your doing now & more so before. Bravo for being a man and admitting about PAOK. AEK has had their moments in the past too I’m not denying that nor said they weren’t I just don’t get why we are bringing that up.

This is not trolling, your post is poor when it gets to this level don’t worry bout wasting your time with these posts to me

When did I say my team were angels or that Greek football was squeaky clean?? Lol PAOK Sydney, I’ve been following Greek Football for many many years, I dunno why your going there but you again prove my point.