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@Blackhawk I thought they did that in order to have more time to bribe the judge, but maybe you are right. Now that I think of it, Olympiakos is indeed afraid of its own fans.

@Bananas yes, you are right, for most of the Super League matches we do not even need an εξάρι. But for the derbies we definetely need one. And since I am absolutely convinced that we are going to play Champions League, Ivan should definetely spend some millions in a Simoes-like player. Maybe even get Simoes himself to PAOK? That would be fun hehe.

Listen guys. There are so many loopholes in this case and so many sloppy mistakes done by Olympiakos that I will not even bother to explain to you again in every little detail why Olympiakos is about to get a historical fapa at the courts. Ι mean, c'mon, how many times do I have to repeat myself? Read the following link if you want to know more about the possible scenarios: http://www.sdna.gr/podosfairo/superleague/article/439021/ta-kathoristika-shmeia-tou-kathgorhthriou-kai-ta-pithanotera-senaria All I will say is this metaphor: Olympiakos is trying to get a penalty, but their player was right before the foul in an offside position, thus, offside it is. In case you do not get what I am trying to say: Garcia was UNLAWFULLY at the pitch! Do you even know what this means? In case you do not remember it, Olympiakos got a match (and therefore a championship) awarded in 2008 because a player of Kalamaria was UNLAWFULLY playing against Olympiakos. This is such a huge game changer. Ό,τι λέει ο νόμος, as a Greek saying goes. Case closed. I hardly believe that PAOK can even get charged for someone who was παρανόμως at the pitch. Just compare it to the offside metaphor. Olympiakos tried to screw with us, but in the end, they will end up screwing themselves with their negligence and the decision to go to the courts instead of just playing the match.

He is the only player AEK has who is also clearly better compared to the players we have as εξάρια. We need someone like Simoes in summer. Canas is a risk for us and unfortunately we got rid of Kace. Mauricio and Shakov are οκτάρια.

I agree. Pantelidis is a good coach. He did not lose against PAO, PAOK & AEK at home last year with Iraklis so he knows how to steal a game. However, Tripolis is performing very bad lately. I see a decisive win for us just like we did at Nea Smyrni today. Let's go for another 1-3

Μόνο για τη ρίψη αντικειμένου στον αγωνιστικό χώρο «κινδυνεύει» ο ΠΑΟΚ με βάση την κλήση σε απολογία του Πειθαρχικού, καθώς η Έκθεση της Αστυνομίας τον απάλλαξε για τα επεισόδια μακριά από την Τούμπα. http://www.sdna.gr/podosfairo/superleague/article/438952/se-apologia-paok PAE PAOK will only be charged for the incidence with Garcia, not for whatever happened outside of Toumpa stadium. Now article 15, paragraph 3 of the Πειθαρχικού Κώδικα της Ε.Π.Ο will be interesting for us, the possible charges we are facing are as follows: Ρίψεις αντικειμένων Η ρίψη πάσης φύσεως αντικειμένου στον κυρίως χώρο του γηπέδου ή από μία κερκίδα σε άλλη, ιδιαίτερα πυρσών, φωτοβολίδων, κροτίδων, βεγγαλικών, πυροτεχνημάτων και οποιουδήποτε εν γένει εύφλεκτου υλικού πριν την έναρξη, κατά την διάρκεια ή μετά τη λήξη του αγώνα, επιφέρει τις ακόλουθες πειθαρχικές ποινές: α) Εάν δεν είχε ως αποτέλεσμα την προσωρινή διακοπή του αγώνα εκ μέρους του διαιτητή, τιμωρείται με χρηματική ποινή από χίλια πεντακόσια (1.500) ευρώ 24 έως τριάντα πέντε χιλιάδες ευρώ (35.000). β) Εάν είχε ως αποτέλεσμα την προσωρινή διακοπή του αγώνα εκ μέρους του διαιτητή, τιμωρείται με χρηματική ποινή από τρείς χιλιάδες ευρώ (3.000) έως σαράντα πέντε χιλιάδες ευρώ (45.000). ε) Εάν από την ρίψη αντικειμένων υπάρξει σωματική βλάβη προσώπου νόμιμα ευρισκομένου στον αγωνιστικό χώρο, τιμωρείται με χρηματική ποινή από έξι χιλιάδες ευρώ (6.000) έως ογδόντα χιλιάδων ευρώ (80.000). Στην περίπτωση που υπάρξει οριστική διακοπή του αγώνα, επιπρόσθετα επιβάλλεται κατακύρωση του αγώνα υπέρ της αντίπαλης ομάδας και αφαίρεση τριών (3) βαθμών από το βαθμολογικό πίνακα και ποινή διεξαγωγής αγώνα χωρίς θεατές δύο (2) έως τρείς (3) αγωνιστικές. http://www.epo.gr/media/files/KATASTATIKO_KANONISMOI/2017_2018/PEI8ARXIKOS_KODIKAS_EPO_2017-2018_updated_24-8-2017.pdf PAOK could avoid Paragraph ε.) and can possibly be charged only with α.) or β.). It will depend however if the judge will consider Garcia as "νόμιμα ευρισκομένου". PAE PAOK argues he is not, since he is not listed as the coach of Olympiakos and not even mentioned as a member of the stuff. This may prove to be our golden ticket out of this mess. The second question will be who is responsible that the game could not start. Paragraph ε.) is forseeing a point deduction only if the game had an οριστική διακοπή του αγώνα. If this is the case when Olympiakos decides on their own to leave the pitch is questionable. This will also depend on the interpretation of the judge. The doctor of the match has the opinion that Garcia had nothing serious. Furthermore, the game observer backed it up that Olympiakos indeed listed Garcia too late as their coach, making Olympiakos able to play with their official coach Kontis. Now the match report will be very important to answer this question. Several sites are saying that the match report is exonerating PAOK, saying that it was not the referees decision to postpone the match since Olympiakos left. However, I was not able to find the match report on the internet, so if this is true or bullshit, I do not know. Anyway, Metrosport is saying that the judgement is due to Monday. We shall see.

http://www.gazzetta.gr/football/superleague/article/1203458/se-anamoni-gia-simoes-kai-araoyho-stin-aek Η ισοπαλία με τον Ατρόμητο στο Περιστέρι έβγαλε και νέα προβλήματα τραυματισμών για την ΑΕΚ, καθώς ο Αντρέ Σιμόες αποχώρησε με σύσπαση στον τετρακέφαλο, ενώ ο Σέρχιο Αραούχο νιώθει ενοχλήσεις στους προσαγωγούς. Αμφότεροι ακολούθησαν θεραπεία στην προπόνηση της Τρίτης και στην ΑΕΚ περιμένουν με αγωνία τα νεότερα καθώς η κατάστασή τους θα επανεκτιμηθεί μέσα στις επόμενες μέρες. But as it seems, Araouzo is not seriously injured. http://www.gazzetta.gr/football/kypello-elladas/article/1203838/me-araoyho-sti-larisa-i-aek

@AchillesHeel I have seen the video too. Raptopoulos is a hell of a guy. I love his realism.

AEK should stop crying and rather prepare to win the game on 11th March in Toumba. If they are not able to pull that off than they simply do not deserve to win the championship anyways. I can imagine that 11th March will be the day in which AEK will collapse ultimately. Also it will be interesting if their εξάρι and captain Simoes is able to play on that day. Without him AEK is done. His "replacement" Moran is a joke of a player. He is like a defensive version of El Kaddouri.

Who said he was hit in the face with that? Where is the proof? The videos show that the roll first hits his shoulder, it is not clear where he was hit exactly after that, unlike in the case of Ivic where you could clearly see where Ivic was hit. Mia mpounia from Karapapas could have done the job as well in the many minutes where he refused to see the doctor and went to the changing rooms. Not to mention that Garcia was not listed as the official coach. Since it is unclear where he was hit and because Garcia was not listed as the official coach, I see a -3 point deduction for Olympiakos because they abandoned the game and made theatro. Furthermore, Theodoridis will regret the seconds in which he said into the cameras that he will take his team and leave, while not even knowing the health status of Garcia. This is heavy evidence that Olympiakos never intended to play the game. And for that I see a heavy punishment for Olympiakos, since this behavior should never be rewarded. PAOK will be punished as well, however, the law is clearly speaking about official club members only, Garcia on the other hand should have never been on the pitch to begin with. Δικαιώνει τον ΠΑΟΚ ο παρατηρητής, πάει για -3 ο Ολυμπιακός Στη θέση του κατηγορουμένου είναι πιθανόν θα βρεθούν οι «ερυθρόλευκοι» βάσει της έκθεσης του παρατηρητή του αγώνα Πληροφορίες αναφέρουν ότι στην έκθεση του παρατηρητή του αγώνα αναφέρεται ξεκάθαρα η εκπρόθεσμη αλλαγή στη λίστα των αξιωματούχων του αγώνα από πλευράς «ερυθρολεύκων». Θυμίζουμε ότι οι Πειραιώτες δήλωσαν αρχικά ως προπονητή της ομάδας τον Χρήστο Κόντη, με το όνομα του Όσκαρ Γκαρθία να μην υπάρχει πουθενά! Η αλλαγή έγινε 15 λεπτά μετά την επιτρεπόμενη προθεσμία και αυτό σημειώθηκε και στο φύλλο αγώνα από τον διαιτητή Αλέξανδρο Αρετόπουλο.Οι άνθρωποι του Ολυμπιακού αντιλήφθηκαν την γκάφα τους, προχώρησαν στις αλλαγές των ονομάτων αλλά εκπρόθεσμα σύμφωνα με την έκθεση του παρατηρητή. http://www.metrosport.gr/article/ektakto-sto-skamni-olimpiakos-gia-tin-toumpa Σημαιοφορίδης: «Ο ΠΑΟΚ μπορεί να τιμωρηθεί μόνο με χρηματική ποινή» Ο έμπειρος δικηγόρος μιλώντας στο Metropolis 95,5 και την εκπομπή «Τρίτο Ημίχρονο» τόνισε ότι ο Δικέφαλος μόνο με πρόστιμο μπορεί να τιμωρηθεί Tο σίγουρο είναι ότι δεν μπορεί να τιμωρηθεί ο ΠΑΟΚ. Είναι δικές μου απόψεις τις οποίες κατέληξα χθες και με τις διατάξεις που διάβασα. Τα άρθρα είναι συγκεκριμένα τόσο στον ΚΑΠ, όσο και στον Πειθαρχικό κώδικα. Η ρίψη αντικειμένου είναι συγκεκριμένη, ο τραυματισμός είναι τραυματισμός. Αν επηρεάσει κάτι είναι μόνο σε χρηματική ποινή. Με βάση το νομικό υπόβαθρ ο ΠΑΟΚ δεν μπορεί να τιμωρηθεί με κάτι άλλο πέρα του προστίμου». http://www.metrosport.gr/article/simeoforidis-paok-den-mpori-na-timorithi

You... I like you. As you wish, king pash.

This will not work. Nothing will save Greece from Greek mentality. Either you are part of the establishment, or you are against it until you are about to become what you hated. I think PAOK is going this transformation right now. A united Greece, especially a united football league will not work. Greece is the most disjointed country I know on this world. Just look at the last years, everyone in Greece is a backstabber. For instance, 10 years ago Olympiakos stabbed in AEK's back. But now things have changed and they are trying to screw us and even consider it as a better outcome if AEK wins the championship. They know that Savvidis is more of a threat to them since Savvidis invests a lot more money into Greek football. The naming sponsor of the Super League for example is Souroti which is owned by Savvidis. Another example of backstabbing would be Panathinaikos in the playoffs against us some years ago. Although Savvidis tried to have good relations with Alafouzos, Alafouzos screwed us with a lawsuit because of what happend in the semi final against Olympiakos. The result was a 3 point deduction in the playoffs. Last year we stabbed you in the back through Ivic, and I believe after that Alafouzos started a hate campaign against Savvidis on Skai. Then in January Savvidis tried to give three good players to Panathinaikos on loan and payed by PAOK without getting anything from Panathinaikos back. As strangely as that seems, I think he wants to buy the away match against you with that. I cannot imagine any other motivation behind that move. However, there are no friendly relationships between the big clubs and I do not trust Alafouzos. His latest tweet regarding PAOK just shows how much of a snake he is. And although I have not seen any backstabbing by AEK yet, I am sure that Savvidis and Melissanidis are not good friends either. Still, I have to admit that Melissanidis and AEK in general is really quiet in comparison to the other three presidents/clubs. I cannot remember any complaints of him or any other AEK official complaining about Savvidis. I only remember that he complained a bit about the offside goal from the Kypello and called it sthmeno but he did not cry that much. Maybe they had a deal considering that PAOK played really unmotivated in the playoffs, but who knows. The Greek league is full of corruption and deals behind closed doors. It is Greece after all, expect the unexpected.

AEK is crying because they know that their team gave 150% the last months and is falling apart right now. I had read that Simoes (their best player in my opinion) as well as Araouzo and Hult got injured after the match with Atromitos, while the rest is obviously exhausted from so many games. Why do you think AEK proposed a break from all league matches? They know that they are finished. I have wondered for months now how they are even able to give at every game 150% but now comes finally the time where they will pay the price for not having a good bench to rest some players. Most of our players (besides Matos) are rested and only had one game per week. I am absolutely sure that we will win the remaining 7 matches in the league while AEK will crumble. They had an outstanding performance until the Dynamo game but they simply cannot pull that off a whole season. But we can, and we will.

Έκθεση ΕΛ.ΑΣ: Μακριά από την Τούμπα οι τραυματισμοί αστυνομικών To SDNA φέρνει στο φως την έκθεση της Αστυνομίας για τα επεισόδια εκτός Τούμπας. Το επίσημο έγγραφο κάνει λόγο για τραυματισμούς αστυνομικών, μακριά όμως από το γήπεδο. Ελαχιστοποιείται ο κίνδυνος για τον ΠΑΟΚ για τα συγκεκριμένα επεισόδια. http://www.sdna.gr/podosfairo/superleague/article/438676/ekthesi The Greek police is backing up PAOK and claims that the riots from PAOK fans were not near the stadium making the punishment that Olympiakos demanded for whatever happened outside of Toumpa stadium unlikely. This is just another indicator that Savvidis has good relations with SYRIZA. As Raptopoulos is saying for months now PAOK's influence in Greece is growing and getting stronger. I am more confident than ever that Olympiakos is (over-)due to get the biggest fapa of their dirty history in the next days. Savvidis good relations with SYRIZA will prove to be the key here. The momentum is with PAOK and to me it seems like the score of the "derby at the courts" is going from 0:1 to 1:1 and will turn upside down to 3:1 in favor of PAOK eventually.

Thanks Pash, I was too busy with my studies but I often visited the forum as a silent reader and now the gavros fan provoked me to be active again. I have read a lot about this incident and if what PAE PAOK claims is true, I cannot see how there will be a 3 point deduction for PAOK since the law is clear on that. Olympiakos was too sloppy and has done mistakes that make the case much different in comparison to the Ivic incident. There will be a judgement on Thursday, however, Olympiakos will try to appeal any decision that is not in their favor. Still, I expect that they will get the fapa of their life at the courts. I trust in the evidence of PAE PAOK and the power of Savvidis. The tide has turned. You will see.

No, he is actually right about that. Olympiakos was the one who abandoned the game. It was not postponed by the referee, which means that Olympiakos can and will be punished for not playing the match. Of course you will argue that Garcia was injured and had to leave just like Ivic did last year. However, he went straight to the changing rooms and was not checked by the doctor for at least 15 minutes while Ivic was immediately checked by the doctor. Typically, you will say that the doctor was associated with PAOK, however, he was approved by the EPO which makes this argument void. Furthermore, while Garcia had not even been checked by the doctor, Theodoridis already said into the camera that he will take the team and leave, which is evidence that Olympiakos did not want to start the match regardless if whether or not Garcia was seriously injured. Furthermore, Garcia was not listed as the official coach of Olympiakos. By UEFA regulations the list oft team officials needs to be handed in 75 minutes before the game starts and at this time the official coach of Olympiakos was Kontis. Garcia on the other hand was by UEFA regulations no team official and had no business at the pitch. Which further means that Olympiakos was able to play. Of course now you will refer to the match report which lists Garcia as your coach, but again, the UEFA is clear on that the list needs to be handed in 75 minutes before the game starts and cannot be changed after the time is up like Olympiakos did. So whether you like it or not, but Garcia was by UEFA regulations no team official in this case. This makes it more difficult for Olympiakos to explain why they could not start the match. Additionally, Olympiakos demand to deduct 3 points from PAOK is juristically speaking impossible, since the law Olympiakos is refering to only considers official team members as I will show below in red. Εάν από την ρίψη αντικειμένων υπάρξει σωματική βλάβη προσώπου νόμιμα ευρισκομένου στον αγωνιστικό χώρο, τιμωρείται με χρηματική ποινή από έξι χιλιάδες ευρώ (6.000) έως ογδόντα χιλιάδων ευρώ (80.000). Στην περίπτωση που υπάρξει οριστική διακοπή του αγώνα, επιπρόσθετα επιβάλλεται κατακύρωση του αγώνα υπέρ της αντίπαλης ομάδας και αφαίρεση τριών (3) βαθμών από το βαθμολογικό πίνακα και ποινή διεξαγωγής αγώνα χωρίς θεατές δύο (2) έως τρείς (3) αγωνιστικές». So as I see it, and as more and more details come out of this incidence I am 99% certain that Olympiakos will be the one who will get a point deduction for not starting the game. I have to say, if Olympiakos was more clever and organized this could have ended really bad for us, but given the above information I see no danger for PAOK. Though I think that PAOK will face a monetary fine and probably 2-3 ghost games for an incidence with an individual who had no business at the pitch. Now the only question I am uncertain of is if whether or not the game will be repeated or if the game will result in a 3-0 in favor of PAOK. I hope for the latter because then the Gavroi would cry even louder and complain how much of a Halifis Savvidis is (even though Olympiakos controlled the Greek football themselves for 20 years). Not to mention that we would defeat them with their own dirty tricks which made them avoid heavy punishment for too many years. Anyway, I can only repeat myself here. It is not PAOK's fault that Olympiakos is sloppy organized and forgot to list Garcia as their coach in time. It is not PAOK's fault that Olympiakos wanted to leave without hesitation and actually left the pitch. And it will be not PAOK's fault that Olympiakos will be punished for that. What is PAOK's only fault is that this "fan" and any other "fans" like him are endangering our chance of getting the championship because of a vlakia, and for that the "fan", and every other fan who is like him need certainly to be punished too.

Just look at his first goal... reminds me of Klaus's tet-a-tet. The only difference is that the Frenchie scored and secured the playoffs for his team. Judging by his value and statistics on Transfermarkt he's probably too good to come to PAOK. If Ivan can get him to us however, it would be a massive improvement.

I love them too. However, gavros is hitting rock bottom right now and will probably lose its dominance over Greek football. Could be our chance to take over.

We can't do both. We already tried that last year and look how many injuries we got.

Do we have the first game in Toumba? I predict the same result as last year against Brondy.

It's really funny that 4 out of 5 unseeded teams made it into the Cl playoffs. Oh wait... I think we shouldn't even bother that much with the El. Get into the group stage, take the millions and concentrate on the league and maybe the kypello. Ivic should really aim to win the national competitions, we had enough fun in Europe for the last years. Now's the time to get some titles!

Agreed. We did a great game. The early goal was absolutely astonishing. The players gave everything despite some mistakes, but c'mon, I've seen some really terrible games from us. This ain't one. If Mystakidis header goes in we are playing in the playoffs, not Ajax. And nobody has to blame anyone. But that's football, sometimes dokari kai mesa and other times dokari kai exw. As for the fans, mpravo sta palikaria mas!! The atmosphere was bombastic! Ajax played like Xanthi, not like the Ajax I know. Good game with really bad luck for us in the end.

All three of them had 11 goals in the league. Is that what you call being outperformed? Klaus had only 22 games while Vellios and Bakasetas had 5-6 games more. Not to mention that this was one of his worst season ever, still he managed to score the same amount of goals with less games. Again, is that what you call getting outperformed? Ridiculous. Like it or not, Klaus had at least +10 goals per season (league only) for the last 5 years. I'd like to see if the other two guys will keep scoring for more than just one season.

After all those years we'll see an exciting championship. I'm 1926% sure about that. Bazelos has on paper a very good team, Koula looks weaker but if they play like last season I wouldn't write them off. Gavros on the other hand had a horrible performance so far. I bet that they won't play tsou lou this year. Now's our time to shine, finally.