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  1. ^Good post PaokCT. Wow - represented Greece in 2012. That's not too long ago.

    Zagorakis knows a thing or two about what it is to represent the Greek NT.


    If Zagorakis does take over EPO presidency I think this going to be a good turning point. I hope. Greece is ranked 20th in Europe which is terrible, and that needs to change.

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  2. 18 hours ago, Brklyngrk said:

    Does the red carry over from the previous nations league?

    Hmm, this it what it says in the Regulations

    49.01 As a rule, a player or a team official sent off from the field of play and/or its immediate surrounds, including the technical area, is automatically suspended for the next match in the competition. In case of serious offences, the UEFA Control, Ethics and Disciplinary Body is entitled to augment this punishment, including by extending it to other competitions.

    I’m not sure now, but I think he’s suspended

  3. Maybe if we had Fortounis in the starting line up from game 1 and/or we brought back Manolas and Soc, kept Siovas we might have qualified 1st. I would have like that.

    Maybe the coach should have gambled from the start and used a more attacking formation. I would have gone for that.

    These are plausible questions.

    However, there is one thing that is different from other qualifiers and was clear in the Slovenia game. I never felt we were going to lose that game. All players, in the team had shown grit, bled to the last minute to the best of their ability and created chances, like no other Greek team in the last 6 years. We dominated the match, just couldn't get the goal. There are a lot of young players who made debuts, and they will be better in the next qualifiers. Getting back to where we want to be is a slow, painful process.

    I am confident whoever we play in WC qualifiers, that we will be a difficult team to beat, even Pot 1 and 2 teams. I think we are heading in the right direction, and physically and mentally team is in a good place.

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  4. 9 hours ago, AEK RE GAMOTO said:

    Can anyone explain why this link states that today's tie means Greece is in Pot 4 for the upcoming World Cup draw?

    Others on here are saying we are in Pot 3.

    Which one is it?

    We are ranked 29 in UEFA and we are in Pot 3 for WC qualifiers.

    • Pot 1: 1-10 ranked 
    • Pot 2: 11-20 
    • Pot 3: 21-30 
    • Pot 4: 31-40 
    • Pot 5: 41-50
    • Pot 6: 51-55

    UEFA Rankings


    FIFA WC Qualifying Draw Procedure


    After making Pot 3, it gives me some hope we can make it 2nd if we get favorable draw

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  5. Some points

    • If Fortounis doesn't start, this game could have ended 0-0. It's taken the 5th game of the NL for JVS to work it out. Hopefully, not too late.
    • Bakasetas finally scored in open play.
    • Tziolis. I haven't been this excited about a Greek player since Samaras in 2005 and Fortounis in 2012.
    • We are spoilt at LB; Tzimikas, Giannoulis  

    Why is finishing top of Group C important?

    1. Automatic promotion to League B;

    2. Play better teams in League B, which can accelerate the run up the FIFA rankings; and

    3. Possible 2nd chance, to qualify for Qatar WC.

    Huge game with Slovenia.

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  6. What a goal from Fortounis. One for the highlight reel. Then, sets up Bakasetas for the 2nd. Not easy to break down a team with 9-10 players behind the ball in there half.

    If we get a 3rd, I would take Fortounis off, and save / protect him for the Slovenia game.

    It will be good if we can get another 2 goals and Slovenia stays at 0-0

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  7. I think, he's going to try new starters, formations in Cyprus, and rotate the bench. This friendly is nothing more than a practice run, and a opportunity for the coach to try new players. Kyriakopoulos will be missing as he too is waiting for COVID test result. 

    Wow, 8 players at AEK have COVID, including 3 starters for the NT, Svarnas, Mantalos and Bakakis. Interesting to see who he starts, where they play and what formation he will go with.

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  8. 21 hours ago, Rockafeller Skank said:

    Our quality is nowhere near Sweden, Ukraine, Austria my mate.

    Iceland, Wales, Ireland, Slovakia sure on our good day, but you re delusional. We have no players, and the few players we have have been excluded from the team.

    I never said we are there now, but that is where we need to reach in 18 months. We do have the talent, but I agree that a lot of the quality we have has been excluded, but a lot of the new influx of talent is only just starting for the NT. It's too soon to judge. Need to give it time, and not all will make it, but that's what happens. Even Mitroglou needed 9 games before her scored his first goal for NT.

  9. Fortounis not starting for Olympiakos doesn't automatically mean that Fortounis shouldn't start for NT. We are not that blessed with talented forwards / attacking midfielders. 

    The selections and dynamics for club and country are completely different. Olympiakos has players and systems that work differently to that of the NT. If you disagree, then Karagounis should not have played for the NT 2003-05 when playing for Inter Milan.

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  10. JVS philosophy is good for the NT and I hope for his sake that we can beat Slovenia in the final game.

    Our UEFA ranking is 29, and we need to get that under 20 as quickly as possible. We cannot remain a Pot 3/4 team for a long time. We have the quality to be on par if not better than Iceland, Wales, Sweden, Ireland, Ukraine, Austria, Slovakia who are in the top 20.

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  11. On 10/24/2020 at 11:36 AM, Boxou said:

    Aside of the fact that there's no real RB in your squad we might be better if we use 3 in the back, something like Siovas/Manolas/Mavropanos with Tsimikas and Limnios being the full backs. In the midfield I'd like Bouchalakis and Galanopoulos with Fortounis in front of them, then Donis and Pavlidis up front. I'd take Stafylidis out because he's out of form for more than a year and we literally don't need 4 Left backs in the squad. Lykogiannis of Calgiari would be a much better alternative.

    Agreed. The aim was to put up a starting line up with my four best Greek players. Donis if fit and healthy is a DEFINITELY another option. I would have liked to seen more of Rota, as he looks like the sort of player who can run and link well with forwards for 90'. He's only 20. JVS should have given him mins vs Austria. 

    I read it somewhere, and not sue about it, but if Hellas don't top NL Group then JVS will be let go. Interesting times.

  12. Form and injuries aside, my starting line up for NT


    Retsos Hatzidiakos Manolas Tzimikas

    Vasilliadis Bouchalakis

    Limnios Fortounis Fountas



    GK: Vlachodimos, Barkas, Dioudis

    DEF: Manolas, Soc, Siovas, Hatzidiakos, Retsos, Tzimikas, Giannoulis, Kyriakopoulos, Stafylidis

    MF: Vasilliadis, Bouchalakis, Galanopoulos, Kourbelis, Fortounis, Pelkas 

    F: Limnios, Fountas, Bakasetas, Pashalidis, Masouras

    Read a really dumb article about Soc on Contra.gr. For me Soc has been one of the best Greek players in the last 10 years and has had a great career at club and NT level. At 32, he still has at least 2-3 good years at the top level and I'm sure he will find a club. I would still include him in a the Greece squad , either as a back up CB or even as a back up RB which he played when he was at Dortmund, and until we find the next Torosides which isn't going to happen any time soon.  

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  13. Our top tier players are Manolas 32m euro, Vlachodimos 16m euro, Tsimikas 9m euro and Fortounis 8m euro

    Next tier in terms of market value 3 - 6m euro are Retsos, Barkas, Giannoulis, Soc, Siovas, Limnios, Fountas, Pashalidis, Mantalos, Vasilliadis, Tziolis, Bouchalakis, Kiriakopoulos, Bakasetas and Masouras

    Third tier with market value 1 - <3m euro; Stafylidis, A. Donis, Fetfatzides, Michaelidis, Mavropanos, Bakakis, Hatzidiakos, Svarnas, Charlambidis, Zeca, Kourbelis, Galanopoulos, Koulouris and Dioudis.

    Final and fourth tier, those with market values < 1m euro; Tzavellas, Lambropoulos, Rota

    Source: https://www.transfermarkt.com/griechenland/marktwertanalyse/verein/3378

    Names underlined were starters in the last 2 games. Time JVS rethinks the squad and starting line and make some changes next matches. Pressure will be on if we don't top the NL Group.

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  14. He had a chance to move to Cardiff in 2018 when they were in the PL but turned it down. Was eventually loaned out to Galatasaray. That didn't work out. Then he was on loan at PSV, used mostly as a sub, scored 1 goal. Not much mins.

    Back at Marseille, not playing and will see out his contract, which runs to 30Jun21.  He'll be 33, so who knows what he'll do then.

    What's not clear, is what condition he's in. 


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