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Έχουμε και δουλειές να 'ούμε. Δεν έχω κάποιο σκοπό να σε διαλύσω. Έχεις μια άποψη, άσχετα που δεν συμωνώ μαζί σου. Για να έχεις όμως αυτή την άποψη θα πρέπει να έχεις και τους λόγους σου. Όμως φίλε ukworm, μονο το Λονδίνο ψήφισε να παραμείνει στην ΕΕ. Όλοι οι άλλοι που ψήφισαν για έξοδο είναι άσχετοι δηλαδή; Μόνο το Λοδίνο έχει μορφωμένους και ωραίους; Φίλε @ukworm βρισκόμαστε σε διαφορετικά στάδια της ζωής. Εσυ φαντάζομαι έχεις οικογένεια, παιδί(α), σπίτι με δάνειο και άλλες τέτοιες υποχρεώσεις. Λογικό να σε φοβίζει μια τέτοια αλλαγή που είναι για όλους κάπως περίπλοκη/δύσκολη. Εγω απ'την άλλη δεν έχω παιδιά, δεν είμαι (ακόμα) παντρεμένος και υποσχέθηκα στον εαυτό μου οτι δεν πρόκειται ποτέ να υποκύψω στις τράπεζες και να πάρω δάνειο για σπίτι. Εαν ήμουνα εγώ στη θέση σου ίσως να πίστευα κι'εγω αυτα που πιστεύεις εσυ. Ίσως και οχι. Εγώ τα βλέπω αλλιώς. Εγώ βλέπω μια συμμορία (ΕΕ) που προσπαθεί να κατακτήσει την Ευρώπη με κάθε κόστος. Τώρα το τι κρύβεται πίσω απ'ολη αυτη την ιστορία είναι άλλη συζήτηση. Μια συζήτηση που ξέρω εαν θα μπορέσουμε κάνουμε γιατι έχει να κάνει με το τι πιστεύουμε οτι συμβαίνει στον κόσμο. (Masons. I'll leave it there). Σου'χω πεί ήδη για το City. Ετσι και φύγουν το 70% των τραπεζών (το οτι έχουνε μεταφερθεί άτομα απο Λονδίνο στη Φρανκφούρτη το ξέρω, δεν πρόκειται να εγκαταλείψουν ποτέ ομως το Λονδίνο, ολο και ενα γραφείο θα παραμείνει ανοιχτό) θα πρέπει να στήσουμε ενα πάρτι στο Monument. Για tariffs που λες, κι'αυτό πολύ δύσκολο. Πχ. τα κρασιά, τις σαμπάνιες και τα τυριά που παίρνουμε απο την Γαλλία θα ανεβούνε στη τιμή λες; Ξέρεις τι χρήμα θα χάσει η Γαλλία εαν γίνει αυτο; Δεν θα το επιτρέψει. Όσο για την Βόρεια Ιρλανδία, πολλοί λένε εδω και χρόνια να ενωθεί πάλι με την Ιρλανδία. Κι'γω θα υποστήριζα την ένωση. Ίσως τώρα να είναι μια καλή ευκαιρία να γίνει (που δεν θα γίνει αλλα τέλος πάντων). Κάθε καταστροφή (που δεν θα είναι, αλλα λέμε τώρα) είναι μια ευκαιρία να ξανακτήσεις κατι απο την αρχή (και να το κάνεις ακόμα καλύτερα). Δεν καταλαβαίνω γιατι ανησυχείς όμως. Το ξέρουμε και οι δυο οτι δεν πρόκειται να γίνει κανένα Brexit. Μας έχουνε ζαλίσει κάθε μέρα επίτεδες μέχρι να σιχαθούμε και να πόυμε "ασ'το ρε παιδιά, φτάνει πια, εντάξει δεν βγαίνουμε, επιτέλους λίγη ησυχία". Οι άλλοι στη Βουλή κοντράρονται για τις θέσεις τους ενώ φτιάχνουν κρυφές συμφωνίες μεταξύ τους ώστε το deal της Μεϊ να μη φίνει δεκτό. Γνωστό το παραμύθι. Γι'αυτό μην αγχώνεσαι αδερφέ. Όλα καλά θα πάνε. Θα παραμείνουμε στην ΕΕ. Υγ. Ποιά στερεοτυπικά συνθήματα βρε @Emperor ; Εσυ δηλαδή είσαι ευχαριστημένος μ'ολα αυτά που γίνονται στην Ελλάδα; Γουστάρεις που τα παιδιά και τα εγγόνια σου θα πρέπει να φύγουνε για το εξωτερικό ωστε να σωθούν; Γουστάρεις που η χώρα θα ανήκει σε Γερμανούς και τα νησιά μας θα πωλούνται σε ρώσους; Σου αρέσει να βλέπεις φίλους να αφήνουν την οικογένεια και τους φίλους και να φεύγουν για άλλες πολιτείες; Είναι ωραία να βλέπεις φοιτήτριες να πουλάνε τα κορμία τους για ενα γεύμα; Τότε ζήτω η Ευρώπη! Ζήτω η ΕΕ! Success story! Εϊμαστε πρόβατα για σφάξιμο. No wonder society is the way it is. We are all too bothered about staying safe, afraid of change, not offending anyone, not taking any risks and being the good little slaves that we all are. Too busy posting pictures on Instagram about a life that we don't really have and that we don't even like, sharing everything we do on Facebook, craving the attention we so desperately need to validate ourselves while the powers that be are laughing while taking control. So let's all just stay the same and never challenge anything. Let's just succumb without a fight because we're just too busy and scared to lose the few things that we have, which in the near future will not be worth anything anyway.

Pepito, what is your story?

^ Dude, there was a referendum in Greece with regards to accepting the bail out package or not. 63% voted no and the government accepted it anyway. Do you honestly think Greece would leave the EU? Nobody said they wanted to be paid to leave or keep privileges. Do you honestly think other European countries wont want a serperate trade agreement with the UK if it leaves? @ukworm our opinions differ, let's leave it at that. On paper the EU is haven, but the reality is something completely different. As I said it probably wont even go through anyway. I'm not quite sure how you plan to drive improvement from within if there is a lack of space. I am also not sure why there will be no way back. Surely if we rely solely on the EU for our future then that is a problem. May wants the extension because she doesn't want to leave. Right now in parliament it isn't about the country, it is about everyone keeping their seat. That is what the deal is about. We are not blind.

I am sure there is supposed to be. The reality is probably very different. Not sure when the last time you went to Greece was, but it is pretty bad there right now.

Disappointing but I catch myself realising the same thing time and time again. They are all just in it for the money.

Our good friend @ukworm who has probably never lived anywhere else in the UK except for London (please correct me if I am wrong, I usually try not to make assumptions). First of all I did not vote. Although I could have, I chose not to as I was not living in the UK at the time. Personally I believe that you should only be allowed to vote in the country you are payng taxes in. It is the same reason why I disagree with Greeks living here voting during the general elections. If you vote then you should have to live with the immediate consequences (not just because you want to return one day in the future). Now let us go over your points. 1) What kind of union would try and make an example of a member that has democratically chosen to leave? If it were a peaceful organisation it would merely allow said member to leave without any of this nonsense. Why on Earth is there a bill for leaving? This is why it is a gang. Just like a gangster must pay his way out of the clan, the same applies here. 2) I never said that Greece didn't want to join. The Greek politicians saw the opportunities to line their pockets with EU money. Same with so many farmers and other common folk who cheated the system and got paid. My point was that it was a trap in the first place to have countries with much poorer economies adopt the Euro. Besides, when has Greece ever said no to the EU or US in the past 40 years? The last person to stand up to the bullies had a whole fiasco at the Polytechnic staged by Uncle Sam and then died in prison after refusing to accept his release. By no means should the deaths that day be condoned and I am not saying I agree with everything he stood for - this is another story altogether. 3) As I said, politicians on both sides lie. What is your point? 4) This is all scaremongering. With regards to being prepared, I too have no idea what is round the corner. I think after witnessing the conditions of Greece and having lived in Italy (again, both countries have themselves to blame first), I would rather battle than succumb. You know, die standing instead of living kneeling. Those were the ways of the Ancient Hellenes though, unfortunately they no longer apply to us neo-Greeks. 5) Why would someone who is supposed to be indifferent about the departure of a fellow member offer extension after extension? It isn't because they are kind. We have already established that the EU is a bully. That is exactly what it is. An insecure bully that wants to take over by humiliating other countries like Greece, Italy and Portugal. The minute somebody (UK) stood up to the bully we saw exactly how frail the union is. How many suicides are there every month in Greece? How many business in Italy were bought up by German giants? How many Spaniards have had to leave their country to find work elsewhere? All so that the Euro can stay afloat and keep the fatcats happy. I couldn't care less about the City (if it is the financial district you are referring to) and as far as I am concerned we should have a national holiday if the banks and other financial institutions decide to close up and move elsewhere. You are talking to someone who did 4 years investment banking and decided to leave after witnessing exactly what goes on behind the scenes. They are one of the reasons why the world is in a crisis. The North of England has always been neglected, perhaps if we actually do leave (which I doubt will happen) we could finally give some money to those people. Everyone is entitled to their opinion but I feel ashamed reading your points. People in London really ought to travel to different parts of the UK. Having lived in London since January I can confirm that it really is a giant bubble. Now I will move on to your second post. Nobody said the Polish builder is the problem. Where did you hear this? As I said before, if someone from another country is moving here and finding work without any contacts and with English as a second or third language, while the native is unemployed then it is indeed the native who is the problem. I saw this as an issue of integration. There are many people who choose not to integrate into our Western society. Did you hear about the girls in villages in Germany with blonde hair? The police approached them and told them to dye their hair black as not to arrouse immigrants. How about all the Asian grooming gangs up North? (I once heard an Pakistani man say "Ok, and what about the Catholic Church with the little boys?" and to be fair he has a point - not that two wrongs make a right). Like many others, I am for open borders, but in order for this to happen you need to be on the same level culturally. Women walking around London with only their eyes visible is wrong. They are not objects, they are human beings. This is a cultural issue, gentlemen. If I were to go to Saudi Arabia I would have to respect their laws. You (should) respect the laws of any country when visiting/moving there. Why is it that here is different? Why do we bend over backwards for the minority? These days you are called a racist for flying your St. George's flag. Space. I don't need to remind you that the UK is an island with limited space. A lot of the green spaces where I grew up (outside of London) have now been bought up and built upon. Soon there won't be any green left. The traffic on the roads every morning is a nightmare where they have built but not readjusted the road. Schools are overflowing and hospitals cannot cope. Indeed there is already a growing population and age of living is increasing but it also doesn't help when people from all corners of the world are also moving here. Again, you probably wouldn't know about this because you live in London! If it annoys you that much that the majority (ie everyone except those living in the lovely bubble called London) voted out in their country then you can always pick up and leave. This isn't me telling you to F off, I have no right to tell anyone where they should or shouldn't be. This is me telling you that you are not a tree.

Although Ipsos has been seen as a rather reliable source, I am not sure the company of a person who has close ties to the Conservative party can be counted on. Especially on this topic. However if you would like to open an immigration debate then I am all ears.

I think he signed a permenant deal with OFI last month (unless it fell through).

As I said, let's keep doing referendums until remain wins. With regards to campaign spending, nobody seems to have a problem when both election candidates are financed by the same sponsors. @Bananas again, the immigration issue was not the main point of Brexit. I explained in my post what it means if a native is unable to find a job when foreigners are.

Hopefully they will sell most their players after their impressive run in CL this season.

It was a quite average performance by our boys. It just so happens that AEK are terrible. Taking nothing away from our boys though, who were brilliant this season. Double!

I cannot believe that there are Greeks living in the UK who actually still think the EU is what it claims to be. The EU is a gang that serves the interests of central Europe only (more so Germany). It is nothing more than a group run by bullies who every so often throw scraps to the followers being led to slaughter. This has nothing to do with racism and people need to stop using this card. Indeed there are racist people in every country and at the end of the day if you are unemployed while foreigners are coming here and finding jobs with no connections and having English as a second or third language then you yourself are the problem. Not everyone who voted out thinks like this and I would say this is a minority. In fact there are many people like myself who are for open borders worldwide. If we were really were in a European Union or United Nations we would strive to ensure that struggling countries were helped up to the level of those prospering (though this is another debate altogether). The first crime the EU made was having member states adopt the same currency. Why on Earth does Greece, Ireland, Spain Portugal and Italy have the same currency as German, Belgium, France and Luxemburg? You do not need to be an economist to recognise that not only are the economies in each country different but also the cultures are in some cases incomparable. The plan had already been implemented, however this is when the strategy to take over Europe began to take shape. Now we see Greek, Italian and Spanish public and private entities being bought up by German, French and Austrian private and public institutions. Before any of you say it - yes, the Greeks and the Italians should blame themselves first for the state of the country. For years people were enjoying the free money, working in the public sector etc. However, the central European governments knew very well what was going on. The fact that nobody at Goldman Sachs was prosecuted for manipulating Greece's debt figures is a farce. With regards to a referendum, if you are unsure of what may come then you probably shouldn't put the vote to the people. Cameron did and people voted out. It doesn't matter if it was only 52.89%, the majority still won. I have heard the argument "oh, but it was only a small margin" hundreds of times and it is quite pathetic to be honest. Ajax and Tottenham drew the other night on aggregate. What would we say if Ajax argued "But Tottenham only won because of the away goal rule, so it isn't really a win. We should have another game to really decide this time." Yes, that's right, let's just keep having referendums until the remainers get what they want. "People were lied to by politicians". Is this something new? Were some of you born yesterday? Politicians have been doing this for centuries. Wake up! All of the difficulties that we are and/or may end up experiencing is just the EU trying to make an example of the UK for daring to leave. It is like the EU is saying "This is what happens to anyone who wants to leave", while looking at likes of Spain, Greece, Ireland (and maybe even France from what I have understood). I laugh at people like Tusk and Junker who 'offer' extensions to the UK and I laugh harder at the remainers who say "The EU is really handing us a lifeline right now and being kind to us while we have been absolute idiots." You absolute f*&kwits, the EU needs the UK to stay otherwise it could be the beginning of the end for them. Quite surprised that some of you undermine the UK so much considering the history it has of being one of the strongest nations worldwide, even before the EU.

I'll be heading to the fan club later here in London to watch the game. Been saving my last bit of ? for nearly a month now so I can enjoy it before the game with the brothers. Let's finish the season on a high! FORZA PAOKARA

I watched the last half hour and it was a myth. Tottenham deserved it 100%.

Πάλι ο ΠΑΟΚ σας φταίει. Ρε τι σας έχει κάνει η ομάδα μου. Φίλε Emperor, πες μου σε ποιά περιοχή της Αθήνας μένεις ώστε να σου πω απο που θα πάρεις σουβλάκια ή πίτσα για το Σάββατο. ukworm, it'll be a chinese or indian for you son. For some reason they seem to think charging £4 for a souvlaki here is acceptable. That being said, I think Byzantium Cafe in Bayswater does an okayish pitogiro. Perhaps worth a try while you're watching the game on Saturday?

Μπουρδέλο λέμε!

Only in Greece could a Final that is 11 days away not yet be finalised.

Just going to leave this here. Of course I wouldn't expect our yellow friend to ever say a bad word about his master.

Δεν είμαστε ακόμα για τέτοια.

I'll be heading to Vancouver and Chicago in August for some weddings. Has anybody here been to Vancouver?

There never was a democracy, it is only an idea. The fact that the UK is still in the EU is a joke.

This is not meant in a mean way and really is supposed to be constructive. It is a good idea, which I am sure some people will buy into. However, I think the first priority should be getting more people to the forums first. Unless I am mistaken the most active forum is the PAOK one. How can we get to the level that Greeksoccer once was? Of course I'm not talking about the toxic environment but the volume.

Rey, Glykos and Siampanis all seem to be history. Shame about Rey, I liked him.

Considering their main options are either Ahmed Moussa or Kelechi Iheanacho, I think he stands a chance.