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Drakos,

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Otheriwse, stick with soccer and hats off to the winner.

Greece lost 2-1 to Albania.

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and Forza Albania

Pershendetje vellezer shqiptare kudo qe jeni!!!!

WAY TO TO BLACK AND RED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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God, tonite was calamitous.

4 min and Katsouranis crosses(?) the ball into the Greek box for the Albanians to score...I swaer to god that feck up was a leaf taken out of the "Dabizas school of feck-ups". This was very embarrasing for Katsouranis.

11 Albania take a free kick from 2 miles away and that fecken traitor Nikopolidis just watches the ball nestle into the net. He didn't even made an effort conceeding whilst standing up.

Then Otto made 2 subs. I good, one bad. Yannakopoulos was good scoring the goal from a Tsiartas cross butI knew Tsiartas would not last. He has no team and has not done any pre-season training. He did help until half time coming on in the 20th min but then all the 2nd half his fitness gave in. He must have made 20 mistakes. I lost count, he should have been subbed. We missed many chances and I got to give it to the Albanians for holding out.

I was boiling in my our blood a few hours ago, but I have calmed down now. The good news is that both Turkey and Denmark failed to capitalise.

Congrats to Albania for the win. They beat the best in Europe and that is something to be proud of.

Ziq, about the incident you mentioned, your guys did something simular a few years ago last time we played in Athens were you burnt Greek flags during the game.

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Evergreen,

There are a bunch of ignorants in Albania just like there are a bunch of them in Greece. Someone starts to boo, and others fall under monkey see monkey do phenomenon.

I think its way too low and I guarantee you not all Albanians are like that.

Some of my best friends are Greek and we have nothing but great relationship between us.

All I am saying is that we in the Balkans are just so overcharged with this nationalism bullshit that we can't see past it. That is sad...

I am very proud to be an Albanian and very extatic about the well deserved win tonight ( regardless of bullshit excuses I hear here from you Greek fellows)

Chances are Greece will recoop and probably get the revenge on the next game Albania plays them in Greece.

My point is, give credit where credit is due, keep it clean, remember its just soccer, not war...... damn it, we Balkans will never grow past this one.....

Yes, we Albanians do take it to the extreme, but please keep in mind that we don't really have much to show generally. We have been suffering for a long time and event like this carry us a long way....

Please see it in context and don't get offended by some ignorant remarks.

It's not the whole Albanian people, just a few bad apples

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Evergreen,

Where do think will happen in our group?

How do you predict Greece will end up with Turkey, Danmark and Ukraine?

Most importantly, do you think Turkey can pull a stunt and give you guys trouble on the next game?

Personally, I feel like our group is going to be Hell for every team.

It just sucks... Every teams' soccer in our group is so different from the others.

I sense upsets and unexpected results.

I hope Greece does come back and eventually qualify for the World Cup

You guys were spectacular in the Euro Championship, I really cheered for you all.

I hope Greece wins agains Turkey!!!

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Zig and all involved...

Zig,

I liked your first post in the site.

But now you are going a bit off limit man

I can understand that you feel pressure from some comments in this site. But do me the favour of being more diplomatic and patient.

All People,

All relevant comments from both sides are not allowed by mods.

Now, this is a special situation and mods can simply not go through all that is written and spend hours in editing.

So please dont make us simple delete the threads.

Police you own behaviour and avoid racial attacks, personal attacks etc...

Albania beat Greece and thats that.

We played better really! But we were a bit unlucky.

Well thats football and we rode on its rules to win the European cup remember.

Dont forget so easily

Well done to the Albanian team

We ar elucky all others drew!

The group is open and we showed we can even win it if we are a bit more accurate with our chances.

Early still

Lot of work to be done

Lets see is the Albanians will be as pationate with or oponents too ;)

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I wouldn't say "ended".

Katsouranis makes a mistake and the next thing you know we are down 0-2. We pull one back but - despite great pressure - cannot equalise.

What does that remind you of? Greece - Russia! Now remember how the team reacted after that loss? :D Let's hope it will happen again. In actuality we have a very good NT with one drawback: no depth. Dellas is out and the defence leaks!

That needs to be taken care of.

As for our Shqiptar friends: you came into our forums to post as friends. That's fine. You are boasting over a well-deserved victory. That's fine. Please do not get drawn into political talk even if provoked as we all know what the history of the Balkans is like. We have been neighbours for a very long time and, of course, there have been disputes. Let's talk football here! :)

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I just wish Dellas won't be ready for wednesday! :ph34r: :P

Oh man what a hard group is this! :bangin:

Greece-Turkey match will be one of the most important matches of this group. Even a draw in Athens will be enough for us and bring back our self confidence again for the next matches of the group.

I think we draw Georgians because we were thinking the Greece match, especially Ersun Yanal, i'm sure he played that match 100 times in his head!

:lol:

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Drakos,

###### In Phantis no personal Attacks are allowed... Please Respect that. The Admin

thanks for the personal attacks..........

yeah in greece we booed the dream team, and the gymanst who cheated, making us very ungrateful.

we didnt boo there anthem, just the teams. Theres a huge difference. You would also be interested to know that after that very heated game in basket, and througouht the games americans were treated extrememly nicely, people would come up to them and congratulate them and wish them pleasant stay....

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as for deserved win, yeah they played hard, but lets face it Katsouranis fed you a goal...

i have no problem with albs, just that they seem to really hate greece for some stupid little s%$#! a long time ago, and be obsessed with the fact that greeks hate them too.

enough already

as for georgia and turkey- georgia is not a laughable team guys, they have some great talent and are not easy at all. congrats to them on the result.

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Evergreen,

Where do think will happen in our group?

How do you predict Greece will end up with Turkey, Danmark and Ukraine?

Most importantly, do you think Turkey can pull a stunt and give you guys trouble on the next game?

Personally, I feel like our group is going to be Hell for every team.

It just sucks... Every teams' soccer in our group is so different from the others.

I sense upsets and unexpected results.

I hope Greece does come back and eventually qualify for the World Cup

You guys were spectacular in the Euro Championship, I really cheered for you all.

I hope Greece wins agains Turkey!!!

This is the group of Death Ziq.

I think the teams that qualify directly or to the play offs will do so by the skin of their teeth.

Thankfully the other favorites dropped points to and Turkey being badly out of shape recently.

I think Otto should have played 4-4-2 last night with Goumas in place of Dabizas and not these experiments with Katsouranis as full back in our classical 5-3-2 which is not need against "lesser" teams. Albania was never going to pressure Greece the same way our opponents did in Portugal. We were all over the place in the first 20 mins and after the subs and changing the system to 4-4-2 we took control. With a bit of luck (cos last night we had none) we would have drawn but the Albanians showed great spirit to absorb the pressure. I really liked that Chana guy (of PSG) and Skela. Very composed players.

Turkey can always pull and stunt, they have very good players and they are no walk over. They will come to Greece for a result and if Dellas is not fit I am very worried. He's the barometer in our defence and we all saw the pani last night in the 1st 20 mins without him.

Otto took a risk with tsiartas. He has no team and has done no pre-season training and I knew he would not last more than 30 mins. In the 2nd half he must have made 20 mistakes. He should have been re subbed with Kafes IMO.

The fact I liked about Greece was after we went 2-0 down we played like European Champions throwing everything at the Albanian defence and as I said before if we had just a bit of luck we would have taken a deserved point in a very difficult environment.

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Well to say that I'm disappointed with the result is an understatement. This was a game that Greece could have hardly afforded to lose. But what is done is done. Hopefully we'll come out harder in our next game.

To say that I am totally disgusted with what's happened in Greece over the loss would be putting it mildly.

This is just a game. Nothing more.

It doesn't determine your health, your family, your job, your love life, ANYTHING!!!!!! To go out and kill someone over this...Christ, that sounds like mental retardation. I'm all for being passionate about your country and your football. But keep it to chants, songs, lighting up a flare....stuff like that. Hooliganism and what has happened in Greece just bring shame to us and really leaves a sour taste at the end of the day.

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You better not see the first goal..., because you will think you are watching 8th division......I never saw...such silly mistake..... Not even Maradona could have done such a superbe cross to the albanian player..... put the ball on his head for the so important 1 : 0......

The difference between June 2004 and September 2004 for the Greek NT .....is the physical condition...they are not yet in rythm...as no competition games in the legs....

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To all Greek fans,

To 2nd Mouse:

If I had a chance to erase all nationalism on both countries, I would.

I understand this is a Greek site and I feel like a guest here, I will try behave like one. I apologize to anyone who I might have offended.

The sad truth is that there is a lot of animosity from both parties towards the other, both Greek and Albanians. How long this will last, only time will tell.

It's sad it's reflected in soccer also. After all, last time I checked, soccer is just a game like basketball, etc.

I am from Tirana but have a lot of respect for the majority of Greek people just like I have disrespect for Albanian and Greek ignorants.

Back to soccer, for those who have not seen the goals, they can catch them on www.medialb.com

Can someone tell me if Dellas is scheduled to play against Turkey?

2nd Mouse, I am sorry you get put in a position to read and edit a lot of bullshit.

I only joined the forum to discuss soccer, never thought I would be faced with such a strong political language.

I guess if that continues, I would be looking for a more soccer focused site.

It would be a pitty as I really like a lot of discussions here.

I know it's hard for you Greek fellows to admit losing to a small country like Albania right after you were crowned European Champs and righfully so.

But maybe this is the best thing that ever happened to you guys.

Chances are this loss won't ever be repeated again and you guys will move to the World Cup......how is nationalism related to soccer, I will never figure out.

Sad after the mayor of Athens proclaimed the Olympics being the arena of friendship and understanding amongs the people.. now we get 5 steps behind because of one soccer game

To all who like, hate or don't care about me, God bless you.

ZIG from Tirana

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The day an Albanian tells a Greek to act civilized has to be a day of mourning!

This is not a wise comment my friend

Please try to stick to football and leave national discrimination aside

Thanks

The Admin

Well, I don't know who is uncivilized here http://soccernet.espn.go.com/headlinenews?...=309343&cc=5739

those who celebrate or the sore loosers that stab others to death.

Oute i Ameriki xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Ciao Bella..... Per favore non fai un casino qui.....The Moderator

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nice post zig,

btw i would like to say i didnt see the game, but i heard aside from the 2 disasters greece was undoubtfully the better team- and deserved more goals - i heard this from someone who is very quick to critisize too- so i beleive entirely we can recover from this- the albanians can be happy and we are still in heavy contention to qualify...

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Zig,

thanks for your post.

If you look at my post before the game yuo will see that I was expecting this result as much as any other result from this game.

So personally ... NO ... this did not come as a surprise.

Lets all try and keep it strictly football

now,

Albanian Girl,

Welcome to the forum

But I have to say to you too what I said to others before you ...

Do understand that you do not need to respond to silly posts just because a moderator did not have the time to edit all impropper comments or just because fotball teasing and calling opthers inferior is a way to make games interesting

In the problems both sides contributed equally here in Greece.

Many Albanians run out in the streets even attacking Greeks ... many Greeks the Same even attacking Albanians.

The victim is a person not an Albanian or a Greek...

Once we understand this then Football will be better and politics free.

Please let us all make an effort and turn these discussions to a better note

Thanks

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Well, I don't know who is uncivilized here http://soccernet.espn.go.com/headlinenews?...=309343&cc=5739

those who celebrate or the sore loosers that stab others to death.

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1st of all: Albaniangirl, for every 1 stabbed Albanian there are 100's of stabbed, robbed and raped Greeks so don't look at the tree, but the forest.

2ndly: Who are the Americans to make us "civilised"? If "civilised" means invading other countries and overthrowing government then no. We are not "civilised"

3rdly: Throwing things back and forth isn't going to solve any problem and we definately going to solve "any" problem.

Finaly, if you have anything to post on the football game Albania won last night you are more than welcome to.

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Adonis,

I will take 2nd Mouse's advise and not respond to your racist comment.

Drakos, my apologies, said somethings to you in the heat of the moment.

On another note, how do I go about unsuscribing in case it becomes necessary?

I would appreciate it.

Lastly, since we are on a soccer forum, I see everone claiming that Greece played better than Albanian. I don't know where this is based on.

Clearly, Greece had more of a ball possesion, but with the exception of a second half kick and the first goal, I really didn't see that much of a threat from the Greek players. I believe the Albanian defense gave no chance of allowing a second goal.

The Albanian side could not possibly be attacking the rest of the time, clearly we had to defend the score, it was a tactical withdraw and going in counterattacks.

Furthermore, I think the Albnian side had two more scoring opportunities with Duro and Cana being alone with your goally.

Not to mention the penalty kick that was denied, when your guy touched the ball with his hand in the penalty zone.

I am not just saying these to upset anyone, but let's be realistic. Could have been worse. Personally, I felt sorry Dellas didn't play and Zagoraqis wan't supported the way he should have been.

I will be quiet and read more that I write

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By all means keep participating guys...

There is no need for us to agre to have a Discussion ...

If you noticed there is an Active Turkish Forum under "national leagues" Subforum and we would be glad to have an Albanian Subforum too

But, and this goes to both Greeks and Albanians, we need to put stupid comments and tension OTHERS create outside our football talk and from then on be free to agree or disagree as much as we want ... ;)

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i heard albania couldnt really string any passes though...- and the 1st goal man was all Katsouranis....this is too obvious...and of course if you are up you have to defend your goals- i dont doubt the albanian defense wasnt bad.... but we were unlucky too

as for controversial calls in these games and 'would be' penalties are a 'dime a dozen' as they say...beleive me we have heated games like this in the greek game very often...

and for the for the americans calling greece uncivilized... haha funny cause the guy was from CHIGAGO....but this is really unimportant, yeah people get pissed and stabbings happen but these have happened within domestic play too so dont think its only albanians that get hurt... from this..though it is embarassing- i dont doubt more episodes with turkish fans in the next derby....

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