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oh by drawing a parallell between greek training methods and some real life experiences to try and explain why the greek team and its players have deficiencies?

yes i guess it was wildy off topic..... ;)

I thought the topic was about why Stoltidis wasn't getting called up ;). Don't get me wrong, it's an interesting discussion. I just find it funny how a topic about Stoltidis has turned into a Seitaridis discussion.
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Guys, it's time for us to get a reality check, Stoltidis is NOT coming to the Greek National Team as long as Otto Rehhagel is in charge. The 2 never get alone, they we're never connected, so therefore there's no chance for him to be called up. It's nice to have a player with that kind of caliber. We can always look for players just as better as him.
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great assessment......as always....

but i abit more discouraged by samaras...he is another example of the world catching up to him and his skillset....i dont see him making any significant contributions...he strikes me as a classic "sokolatopedo".....

i do have a question...do you think he would fare better in a different leauge? meaning is the english game not suited for his skills....we see this quite often, where different players flourish in second or third leauges they play in and often the type of football played in each leuage is very different... whaddaya think?

oh and aek/montreal - my apologies if i sounded a bit snippy, but as is always the case printed words on the compyter screen look very different than how they would be said....if u saw my face when i wrote it you would understand......and yes it did deviate from the original topic but that happens with discussions...nothing is really totally mutually exclusive.......anyway just wanted to get that off my chest...

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great assessment......as always....

but i abit more discouraged by samaras...he is another example of the world catching up to him and his skillset....i dont see him making any significant contributions...he strikes me as a classic "sokolatopedo".....

i do have a question...do you think he would fare better in a different leauge? meaning is the english game not suited for his skills....we see this quite often, where different players flourish in second or third leauges they play in and often the type of football played in each leuage is very different... whaddaya think?

oh and aek/montreal - my apologies if i sounded a bit snippy, but as is always the case printed words on the compyter screen look very different than how they would be said....if u saw my face when i wrote it you would understand......and yes it did deviate from the original topic but that happens with discussions...nothing is really totally mutually exclusive.......anyway just wanted to get that off my chest...

No problem manga. I've been enjoying the discussion so far. I am however a bit more optomistic in my outlook on Samaras. I think he could truly develop into a special player if given the chance. The thing is he needs to be playing regularly. He definitely needs to get out of Man. City as they just got Castillo so there's little chance of him playing now. I think a move to Italy would be good for him since the pace is a bit slower.
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i was thinking italy also sonce that leauge seems to be a little more, how you say, sneaky or flicky???, where things happen in tighter spaces....(jajjaja) he does posses a skillset that we lack...but i look at him, and i just get teh sense that he is soft...not the kind of personality that can impose his WILL into game, you know? its just my intuitive sense........but of course i hope he proves me wrong, because if otto can figure out the best way to use him he can be a tremendous asset this summer....

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"the job is your's until the end of the season, just go out and play"

yip....this is key. sometimes we, as weekend warriors, dont realize that they lose confidence and trust in themselves also....its hard to imagine given all the talent these pro's have...but they are human also, and have the same flaws and vices as everyone else...losing confidence gets you tight, afraid to make a mistake, and combined with the some **sholes around you, would certainly serve to put you in disfavor with caoches and fans.....

i agree....lets hope this is a learning experience and it does toughen him up becuase without that he 's gonna be just another guy with talent that went nowhere...

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Coaching is a very tough job. It is being said that older coaches have not learned the new coaching methods and are not up to speed with everything new.

"What does it mean, new methods, and what are they? Everything has to do with the game and how the team answers the questions posed to them during that time. Many talk about the speed football is played in the English Premiership. Where are they going to be during the Euro 2008 finals stage? Nowhere, right?"

In Greece things are different. You are treated like a king.

"I am treated the same as everyone else. I say to the youngsters that there is always one truth."

And what is that?

"The ball must meet the back of the net. If you lose then everything becomes difficult. Having 20 year old players screaming on the pitch you can never mold a winning team. You need the right mix of players."

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That can't be it, Zikos has stated he would love to play for the NT and he didn't understand why he never got called-up. Even Deschamps (Monaco coach) quesitoned why Otto hadn't called-up Zikos. Stoltidis has played before for the NT (I don't think under Otto) and he was apart of the team that played at the 2004 Olympics and the '98 u-21 Euros, I'm under the impression he is choosing to invest his energy with club over country.... but I can't imagine a professional soccer player not wanting to participate at a WC or European championship... its pretty much every player's dream to win one, let alone be apart of one.

Stoltidis doesnt refuse to play for the NT considering he has played b4. Otto just doesnt call him up.

Zikos was not called up because of his attitude I believe. It doesnt take a genius to realize hes got a bad attitude when AEK lost to Olympiacos and he publicly blamed the refs and called olympiacos cheaters. Profesionals dont do that and no matter how good he is that would ruin what greece was based on in 2004, team chemistry...

stoltidis on the other hand would be GODLY if he can play for NT like for OSFP, my god how amazing it would be. Didnt anyoone see him this past weekend. He just couldnt miss a slide tackle or anyone dribble passed him. He ran back and forth. caused a big threat on attack and stopped every counter in the back. Especialy with Ledesma in. With another good DM he is Godly

--------kats-----stoltidis-----(Basinas)?

Stelios---------------------????Karagounis????

then this would be a solid midfeild if the players play to their potential and karagounis learns to pass the ball again.

there is no way we can play 4-3-3 with Karagounis as the only atacking midfeild player. the guy cant set up a play or set up a goal or anything unless its a corner kick or a decent free kick/

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well today, we had a major side pay 9 million quid, some 13.5 million euro for a young right back with an attacking mind-set.

tottenham (juande ramos - seen seitaridis a few times) paid this amount for a 23 year old scottish right back, alan hutton from rangers.

just another example of how the whole footballing world has passed seitaridi by, and this player needs to prove that he is a top euro-class right fullback at the euro. sorry, it's not assumed anymore, seitaridi needs to PROVE it.

in my opinion, if seitaridi continues to play with a lack of passion and a lack of skill at the euro - either move him to centerback or drop him until his form improves. let's be honest, he deserved all the accolades before, during and right after euro 2004 - some 4 years later he's turned out to be a huge disappointment. hasn't improved, in fact, regressed in all areas and he seems very non-chalant most times.

is giourka worth 13.5 million euro? divide that by 4, and i bet atletico madrid would sell him in a heartbeat.

I agree with everything, except for the fact that he's simply not a centre-back unless he plays on the right side of a back 3 (rare in modern top flight football). He's a passionless bum, simple! I bet he sits next to Samaras on the team coach! :LOL: :LOL:
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- yes, you're talking about stoltidis here.

anyways, you hit the nail on the head, in regards to center midfield play. if 3 play in the central midfield, which is usually the case for greece, than at least 2 out of the 3 central midfielders must play box to box. if the players have a problem with running or stamina, get rid of them until you find players that are willing to sweat for the cause.

i'm not sure what it so hard about this and in various matches we've seen basinas or katsouranis stand around admiring the grass. i'd say that those 2 are guilty of this more often than karagouni. in major footballing nations, it's understood that central midfielders play box to box, unless told otherwise for tactical reasons. pirlo and gattuso, lampard and gerrard...back and forth, back and forth..

EVERY greek central midfielder can't say, 'i'm a kofti, and my job is to only patrol in front of the centerbacks and behind the central midfield'. this is football from 1929. modern football is dynamic and you have to be mobile. even if you aren't the most skilled offensive player, you still help out by providing an extra body for support to make a simple a pass to allow your offensive play to develope. if 3 are in the central midfield, at least 2 most play box to box or at least play higher to force the opponent to be honest. if 2 do indeed play higher, then the fullbacks need not take as many risks because those 2 central midfielders can support the 2 wide forwards.

football 101.

as far as karagounis and the greek 4-3-3. i think it's workable and can bring greece success, but like a machine, all or most parts have to be functioning. we don't have the skill level to win a match if 3-4 players are malfunctioning on the pitch. the chronic malfunctions are from the central midfielders who don't give anything offensively and the right fullback who has been inept offensively. the sporadic malfunction is the goalkeeping play along with wide forward consistency.

the centerbacks and center forward have been the rock of consistency for this side.

Thats the problem though. Greece has good strikers but cant play 4-3-3 ... no way..

we need a good old fashioned 4-4-2

with stoltidis on the team and if he continues this way a starter.

shame rehagel is being a ass about it and he said there is no room for stoltidis on the team whn someone asked him about it. He said its not personal there is just no room for a player like him?

WTF? money getting to your head?

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well said...

We may never know why he was not called up to now, but now this post can close (at least for a while).

Now Stoltidis is given his chance and he will be responsible if he doesn't make the most of it. Well done Otto.

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