Friendly: Greece - Spain

[PAO_OR_DEATH]

i think some of the older guys were just in as it was a friendly in honour of ZAGO, i mean if xarasteas and stelios were fit they would have played too.....or is it as i fear that otto has his head so far up his arse he can see his own face playing the same papoudes???

i dont understand how we can play good defense and let in two goals, this does not make any sense but F*** re manges prepei na nikisoume ta qualifiers, to epomeno me tin norvigeia einai must win re, im sure we'll play this one to win

also lets hope pao wins on sunday, 8-0 footy porno

[PAO_OR_DEATH]

man those last 2 goals were pretty soft aye, i hope that our players are just a bit rusty and get more into shape in the nest few weeks

[js1000]

nikopolidis chalkias vyntra papadopoulos goumas kapsis antzas and even dellas are not good enough to play international football.

eleftheropoulos tavlaridis papastathopoulos and ninis should be given a chance

eleftheropoulos should not be called up. ninis is too young. you have a point about tav. and i think papstathopoulos is too young as well. id go with mitroglou before him .

why shouldn't eleftheropoulos be called up ?? how many more mistakes must niko make before he's dropped, halkias is no way good enough so we don't have any other options in goal.

as for ninis and papastathopoulos being too young thats a very greek mentality, what happened to if you're good enough you're old enough.

as for mitroglou he hasn't played enough first team games also greece have alot of forwards in their squad like gekas samaras haristeas amanatidis and even lyberopoulos

[evalagoal]

stupid fans is one thing misbehaving, im talking about creating a supportive atmosphere for the players - thessaloniki did the worst job ive seen for ANY country....

I have NEVER seen games where its all OSFP chants, PAO, AEK, OFI, PANAXAIKH whatever replacing all the Ellas chants ...... Its not about "misbehaving" fans its about making a SUPPORTIVE, GREEK atmosphere. Thessaloniki they dont do that, PAOKtzides write graffitti on the wall saying G*** thn Ellas (the country that accepted them in?!??) chant it, have no respect or support for the national team (until they score oh then its different) Booing a particular player ok weve seen, we can deal, the whole NEARLY EVERY SINGLE CHANT being for PAOK or G*** thn A8HNA/PIREAS is pathetic...

As for not respecting Zagorakis - pull your head out of your ass. Im talking about management, being president having responsibility of a stadium. This not his playing career, as a player and a person he has my respect but there is no excuse not to do your job, and simply "oh he was a great player and captain" has not one thing in the entire world to do with his responsibilities NOW as President, a MANAGER.

As stadium and club manager HE is responsible for not having this field in playing condition  for an international friendly, and one week before the season starts - thats simply pathetic. Try that in your job, see how that goes.

The game should have been in Patra or Peloponissos - At least people there are patriotic, and relaxed and not affiliated with a local team, and they have a great stadium.... Thessaloniki they would sing for PAOK and not so much as hum the national anthem...  :tdown:

anyways GAME:

CRAP 2nd Half, the defense is awful, and the fact that we insist on never making changes to it has become so ridiculous for so long......

Kapsis - Seriously???

Vyntra - not bad tackler, probably the DUMBEST player with the ball - i remember there was a steal mid field, wide open opportunity to break and...he sits there....sits there.....waits more (whole range of options fading quickly, spanish team catches up, fast break over) then kicks it out to nobody (almost all his "passes" were long balls to nobody (and Hertha seriously interested in this moron?) and he also tossed away the ball in the last minute which set up the goal......totally useless.

Nikopolidis - no major f ups this time, but still dont trust him. he had some good saves but when it counts against Norway I really wouldnt bet on him

Xalkias - ok, smarter than Nikopolidis but not as agile.....

Patsa- great defensive player, very lousy with the ball, threw the ball away to nobody and couldnt complete his passes the majority of the time, but defensive effort was great.....

Gkoumas - hes a bit old, but hell plug up a hole

Dellas - not bad, but our defense is seriously aging and slow

Tavlaridis - pretty solid...no real complaints that i remember

Basinas - useless, i thought he was supposed to be alot better than that! distribution on field was terrible

Katsouranis - future captain IMO, really good job, great team player, clean player, hard working, goal was money

Karagkounis - did pretty well, great assist, good effort and won fouls as always but his set peices are still rubbish

Tziolis - nothing to report...

Salpiggidis - not bad, made decent runs, couldnt finish, i thought he played just fine

Papadopoulos - time to retire? i havent seen anything remotely interesting from Papadopoulos in 3 years, except for that one goal-stint under Malesani....he really lost his playing IQ, he doesnt have it anymore....Amanatidis should have played instead

Gkekas - no complaints, hes the best Greek striker with no arguement, great goal, suberb 1-2 combo with Katsouranis....players like him and Kats are what are going to bring us to another level

Should the fans reactions surprise anyone?

The people in Thesaloniki not aonly did they doa CRAPPY job of setting up the friendly but also it goes to show you how far back we are as civilized people..

All the fans that were booing Salpigidis are COMPLETE IDIOTS

This guys is playing fro your country and you're going to boo'em?

So what if he played for PAOK and moved to another team? He's a professional. If you we're at your job (lets say ABC Telephone company) and Vodafone comes to you and says we want you are'nt you going to take it?

Come on idiots wake up and be a true fan.

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[Genome]

All the fans that were booing Salpigidis are COMPLETE IDIOTS

This guys is playing fro your country and you're going to boo'em?

So what if he played for PAOK and moved to another team? He's a professional. If you we're at your job (lets say ABC Telephone company) and Vodafone comes to you and says we want you are'nt you going to take it?

Sad but true. When I see our Ethniki play I don't see AEK/OSFP/PAO/PAOK or whatever players, I see Greek players playing for Greece. That's what unites them, they're all Greek. And then some fanatics boo Salpingidis (during a Greece game even!?), how retarded can it get!

What are they booing for? Because he left? Well then be happy, he's gone! Because he didn't play well? I personally thought he was one of the better players out there yesterday, and they started booing him from the first touch to the ball!

The answer is fanatismos, there's no reason to it sadly enough.

[DUDE]

All the fans that were booing Salpigidis are COMPLETE IDIOTS

This guys is playing fro your country and you're going to boo'em?

So what if he played for PAOK and moved to another team?

[DUDE]

nikopolidis chalkias vyntra papadopoulos goumas kapsis antzas and even dellas are not good enough to play international football.

eleftheropoulos tavlaridis papastathopoulos and ninis should be given a chance

eleftheropoulos should not be called up. ninis is too young. you have a point about tav. and i think papstathopoulos is too young as well. id go with mitroglou before him .

why shouldn't eleftheropoulos be called up ?? how many more mistakes must niko make before he's dropped, halkias is no way good enough so we don't have any other options in goal.

as for ninis and papastathopoulos being too young thats a very greek mentality, what happened to if you're good enough you're old enough.

as for mitroglou he hasn't played enough first team games also greece have alot of forwards in their squad like gekas samaras haristeas amanatidis and even lyberopoulos

They're not good enough yet re file. In many games Ninis disappears. Yes he's played well for PAO and he did well in the u-19 euro champs, but imagine you put someone from the Greek first team in that tournament, he would have easily been the best player. Ninis wasn't miles ahead of everyone though. He needs to prove himself in the u-21's first. Same with Mitroglou although I actually think he's ahead in his development because of his physical presence, but anyway, he needs to prove himself in the u-21's first.

As for Papastathopoulos, I've been saying for a long time that he deserves a chance, way before the u-19 euro championships. BUT(!) he isn't in the same league as Kyriakos yet, and Goumas and Tavlaridis are also better than him. The point so while I agree he should be given a chance, i.e. start to blood him in we can't throw him in at the deep end.

Spyropoulos is another that should be given a fair chance at left-back. We should also try Kapentais up front in a couple of friendlies to see how he does. As for the Goalkeeper position, Eleutheropoulos is probably our best. HOWEVER, he has/had a bad attitude and is disliked by many members of the team and the most important thing in any camp is team spirit. If Otto has spoken to the players & they don't want him because he's a disruptive influence then he's right not to call him up. Of the rest, Halkias is the best keeper we have, OR, Konstantopoulos at Coventry, but again, he needs to prove himself at the top level. Sifakis will also have a chance to prove himself now that he's at Oly but he hasn't impressed me when I've seen him in the past. One thing is for sure though, NIKOPOLIDIS IS s%$#! NOW! Stop playing him m#$%! Otto!!!

One final point... Salpi was very effective last night in the 1st half when he played up front. Hate to say I told you so to some of the members here, but F*** it... I TOLD YOU SO!!! :D

[Tsalgik]

Poios eleytheropoulos re paidia?O antrhopos me to zori paizei 3 paihnidia sti sezon.Ta teleytaia hronia pou einai edo,posa einai 4 an thymamai kala,prepei na ehei paixei to maximum 15 paihnidia.

Prepei na veltiothoun o Nikopolidis kai o Halkias.Den ehoume allon pou na mporei na paixei akoma se tetoia epipeda.Kai den einai mono diko tous to ftaiximo.H amyna einai poly argi kai me ena meso oro ilikias 35 hronon xero go...

Apo oti eida me Geka Salpiggidi pige poly kala.As elpisoume oti to eide kai o Otto

[dark_horse]

Sorry I was away guys, I got the final score from my cell phone while I was in Goteborg watching a friendly between Sweden - United States. Tough luck to lose in the dying minutes of injury time, Greece gotta suck it up and prepare for battle with Norway. I heard both goals from Greece we're world class, is this true?

[Genome]

It's not fanatismos, it's m*****a! I'm fanatismenos but not a m#$%! like those fans! There's a difference.

I don't know what you understand under fanatismos but in my opinion fanatismos = ma**kia.

Fanatismos as in what they did last night. That's what I understand under that word. Booing whatever is against you or not with you anymore just for the sake of being negative.

[Genome]

Goals

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1-0

[dark_horse]

Thanks file, sorry I didn't go back to check it out. Both goals are not exactly world class, but good finishes.

It will take me awhile to get use to moderator duties. :D

[evalagoal]

In the goali position Xalkias is the man.

It's going to be obvious on how Nikopolidis is going to play this year compared to Xalkias...

We need Xalkias in the back...

[drakos13]

Should the fans reactions surprise anyone? 

The people in Thesaloniki not aonly did they doa CRAPPY job of setting up the friendly but also it goes to show you how far back we are as civilized people..

All the fans that were booing Salpigidis are COMPLETE IDIOTS

This guys is playing fro your country and you're going to boo'em?

So what if he played for PAOK and moved to another team?  He's a professional.  If you we're at your job (lets say ABC Telephone company) and Vodafone comes to you and says we want you are'nt you going to take it?

Come on idiots wake up and be a true fan.

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its not just the booing - its that every chant they were singing was FOR PAOK and things like G*** thn A8hna/Pirea thats an even bigger disgrace... PAOK fans are easily the biggest alites in Greece, which is why games at Toumba never need to happen again.......

also PAOK the club (with Zagorakis as new president) are the idiots who did not prepare the field for this game, nor for the godam superleague next week.......

Games in the North should be in VOLOS......Or at least just have games in Patra...theyre good and patriotic people in Peloponisos....at least they will cheer for the team and not Panahaiki the whole time :LOL:

[Tsalgik]

They were absolutely great.Come on guys,it was not the entire stadium.They were people with their families there.Why do you condemn them and the entire city?

They were about 500 or 1000 idiots.The other 24000?

I did not like it too.

And drakos13 yes Volos is a good place to to play but for the central Greece.

I guess that Kaytantzoglio or Kavala would be a good place for the north.

[Crazy]

Should the fans reactions surprise anyone?

[Paoktsis]

Should the fans reactions surprise anyone?

[Paoktsis]

People have to stop complaining about Otto and give the man the chance, to at least, defend the Euro 2004 title. The man has given us more excitement in his stint as coach than any other coach in Greece's history.

Also, remember this was only a friendly. Last time I checked friendlies were games that coaches used to try new formations, players, etc. It would have been nice to win, but we didn't. I don't care if we loose every friendly 10-0, as long as we gain results when it counts.

Agree 100% with your post.I know many people would like to see Otto leave but first of all dont forget who brought us here (2004 title and first place in our group for the next one)and second who is going to replace him NOW.Not who i or you would like but who at this moment can take over??

Yeah no problems.

Let me know when you guys get back to this reality.

Give me a name that is going to replace Otto at this moment and a will come back to reallity.If there is going to be a change,it should be for better and not getting someone like, Alefantos lets say for a coach.

I'm with you crazy, there isn't one coach out there (that would take the job) that is more qualified than Otto.

Diladi ti prepei na kani o anthropos, na mas ferei kai pagosmio gia na papsete?

[Crazy]

People have to stop complaining about Otto and give the man the chance, to at least, defend the Euro 2004 title. The man has given us more excitement in his stint as coach than any other coach in Greece's history.

Also, remember this was only a friendly. Last time I checked friendlies were games that coaches used to try new formations, players, etc. It would have been nice to win, but we didn't. I don't care if we loose every friendly 10-0, as long as we gain results when it counts.

Agree 100% with your post.I know many people would like to see Otto leave but first of all dont forget who brought us here (2004 title and first place in our group for the next one)and second who is going to replace him NOW.Not who i or you would like but who at this moment can take over??

Yeah no problems.

Let me know when you guys get back to this reality.

Give me a name that is going to replace Otto at this moment and a will come back to reallity.If there is going to be a change,it should be for better and not getting someone like, Alefantos lets say for a coach.

I'm with you crazy, there isn't one coach out there (that would take the job) that is more qualified than Otto.

Diladi ti prepei na kani o anthropos, na mas ferei kai pagosmio gia na papsete?

You see,i get it that people want to see our teams and country win all the time and perform well.The Euro succes gave us all the illusion and impresion that we can consider our selfs a power,when in reality we are not.We are moving in the right direction and all but it does not happen over a night,it can not happen in a couple of years. it takes time.Our NT with Otto up to now has done great by me,maybe if we qualified for the World cup would be better but being at 1 place in our group for the next Euro is lovely also.In the heat of the moment anybody can say and do anything but you see the serious decisions are not meant to be taken like this.You check the plus and minus of the situation when you are calm and you decide accordingly.So everyone here BREATH-CHILL-THINK and then go for it. :gr: :gr:

[plato-ny]

The goals

[Paoktsis]

The goals

Thanx for the highlights, first time I got to see the goals.

WOW what a series of saves by Chalkias, before Spain scored their second goal.

[Tsalgik]

Crazy and Paoktzis i ll give you a name

Guus Hiddink

[Paoktsis]

Crazy and Paoktzis i ll give you a name

Guus Hiddink

That's a fear choice, but

A) would he take the position?

B) would he be such an improvement from OTTO to constitute a change at this point?

C) I believe he recently too the job as Russia's manager, would he leave that for Greece?

D) has he ever won an international competition?

International Achievements (correct if I miss anything)

1998 WC - Netherlands 4th place

2002 WC - South Korea 4th place

2006 WC - Australia 2nd Round

Why was he let go on all 3 occasions?. There has to be a reason because he overachieved in all three cases.His PSV record is impressive, but in my opinion there's big difference between coaching a club and an international team.

[Tsalgik]

Crazy and Paoktzis i ll give you a name

Guus Hiddink

That's a fear choice, but

A) would he take the position?

B) would he be such an improvement from OTTO to constitute a change at this point?

C) I believe he recently too the job as Russia's manager, would he leave that for Greece?

D) has he ever won an international competition?

International Achievements (correct if I miss anything)

1998 WC - Netherlands 4th place

2002 WC - South Korea 4th place

2006 WC - Australia 2nd Round

Why was he let go on all 3 occasions?. There has to be a reason because he overachieved in all three cases.His PSV record is impressive, but in my opinion there's big difference between coaching a club and an international team.

A)I dont know,I think its all about money.

B)Yes I believe so(an katalava tin erotisi)

C)I am not saying right now,in the near future.We cannot just dismiss Otto while he is in the 1 position of the group and i dont think that Hiddink is the kind of guy that leaves the team that coaches in the middle of the qualifying round

D)I dont think so,but he did great things with the NT he coached.I also dont think that we are going to win another title,at least in the near future.The important is to create something.A good team that plays good football(like the one of Otto s 2001-2004).

[Paoktsis]

Crazy and Paoktzis i ll give you a name

Guus Hiddink

That's a fear choice, but

A) would he take the position?

B) would he be such an improvement from OTTO to constitute a change at this point?

C) I believe he recently too the job as Russia's manager, would he leave that for Greece?

D) has he ever won an international competition?

International Achievements (correct if I miss anything)

1998 WC - Netherlands 4th place

2002 WC - South Korea 4th place

2006 WC - Australia 2nd Round

Why was he let go on all 3 occasions?. There has to be a reason because he overachieved in all three cases.His PSV record is impressive, but in my opinion there's big difference between coaching a club and an international team.

A)I dont know,I think its all about money.

B)Yes I believe so(an katalava tin erotisi)

C)I am not saying right now,in the near future.We cannot just dismiss Otto while he is in the 1 position of the group and i dont think that Hiddink is the kind of guy that leaves the team that coaches in the middle of the qualifying round

D)I dont think so,but he did great things with the NT he coached.I also dont think that we are going to win another title,at least in the near future.The important is to create something.A good team that plays good football(like the one of Otto s 2001-2004).

File I'm not saying we should keep the guy forever, but we should at least give him a chance to defend the title he lead us to. Also right now I don't think there's a better replacement for him.