La Mendel
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Perhaps Kone of Fetfatzidis can do something. No Platellas, we had enough of the Mantalos/Aravidis type players with zero cap.
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The start was good but we couldnt finish.
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Lineup:
Karnezis, Vyntra, Papadopoulos, Papastathopoulos, Holebas, Tziolis, Fortounis, Aravidis, Samaris, Mitroglou, Karelis
Aravidis is another Mantalos. Tsanas isnt a right solution, he should be replaced.
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there are many ways to win and many ways to lose
Do you see what rubbish you write?
If you know a secure method with which we can easily beaten, of course youll choose another. Since the Sweden match allegedly everybody knows how to beat us, do you think teams like Israel, Ukraine, Romania, Japan, Ivory Coast, Croatia wouldnt have tried that method against us in (for them too) crucial matches? Farcical.
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"People have caught on" - Some examples? If they caught on already in 2008 and it is so easy why did use NOBODY that strategy against us? Farcical.
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Do you think Russia and Co. didnt want to win the matches vs us? They could have easily win but they chose another strategy? Do you see now what rubbish you write?
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Rehhagel tried a strategy (5-3-2) which was new and unknown to the players. It didnt work (bad game & defeat). Then he returned to the earlier method. If it would have been so easy to beat us (give us the ball) do you think Russia, Romania or Ivory Coast or anybody for that matter wouldnt have tried that strategy? That isnt so simple. If the opponent concentrated on defense it was more difficult for the Ethniki to score (and for them too), thats fairly trivial. Cf. the Switzerland game under Santos.
The referee disallowed vs Russia the goal of Charisteas - it wasnt an offside, we wouldnt have been out after 2 matches, and then the best starting XI (no Spyropoulos and the likes) would have started versus Spain B. There were the horrible faults of Nikopolidis (versus Russia and Sweden) they costed us two goals too.
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What do you mean by "plays that"?
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I hope not he did much more for the Ethniki than Amanatidis (I know he scored a winning goal vs Turkey).
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Another blow. Petsos is injured too.
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Gazzetta.gr says Tsanas chose the 4-4-2 system (source: http://www.gazzetta.gr/football/article/796298/me-4-4-2-kai-ena-erotimatiko-o-tsanas-pic). The lineup I copied in in the morning was a hoax (I found the Kitsiou part of it very surprising). After Thursday training it seems that Tziolis will start as a defensive midfielder instead of Kyriakos Papadopoulos. Karnezis will be the keeper, Vyntra (and ofc not Kitsiou), Manolas, Papastathopoulos and Holebas will be the defenders. Tziolis, Samaris, Fortounis, and one of the Fetfatzidis-Kone duo will be in the center. Mitroglou and Karelis will attack. (I can easily imagine that this will be another 4-3-3, with Tziolis as CDM, Kone/Fetfatzidis on the right wing and Karelis as a LW - although the picture shows quite another formation with Kone as LM.) Tachtsidis and K. Papadopoulos can also play tomorrow. Tsanas will decide about the lineup on Friday morning, he said that to the players. He wants them to be alert.
The lineup (it is reported ofc, but more plausible than that in the morning):
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Tsanas said to the press that he hadnt decide the lineup yet (compare with the statement of many sites today "eight players will probably start").
Press conference with Tsanas and Tziolis: http://www.sport24.gr/football/ellada/ethniki_elladas/tsanas-theloyme-na-kanoyme-mia-nea-arxh.3645084.html
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He wants a new start. Press conference with Tsanas and Tziolis: http://www.sport24.gr/football/ellada/ethniki_elladas/tsanas-theloyme-na-kanoyme-mia-nea-arxh.3645084.html
The more interesting passages. They spoke about a new beginning. Tsanas said "I havent decided who will start" (1) or something to that effect. He said he isnt responsible for the former debacles and cant tell what was wrong with the former coaches. Tziolis said all teams have ups and downs, but with a win versus Finland the NT will find the right path.
(1) Cf. with what the sites wrote about that eight players will start.
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Euro 2008 wasnt a success, I must admit. Although, we wouldnt have been out after 2 matches but for the referee. He has stolen the goal of Charisteas (87th minute).
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Rehhagel changed the formation (and consequently the line-up) on that match (5-3-2). We didnt perform on EVERY occasion well, but we achieved great results under Rehhagel and Santos.
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- the other thing i would like to address is this urban myth that greece was always and still some kind of defensive shut down side. we know that greece has had 2 clean sheets in it's last 14 tournament matches since 2008. they were against russia in 2012 were sifakis and poor russian finishing kept the clean sheet and japan in 2014, where karnezis had the best match of his 2014 tournament.
some simple research will show us that nations such as croatia, switzerland...sweden, have kept better or equal defensive records at euros/WCs compared to greece.
Yes, especially Croatia is a good example. They conceded 3 goals last year versus the goody goody mexican team and were overwhelmed. Same vs Brazil.
And Switzerland, they conceded five versus France and it could have been easily more (cf. one French player missed a penalty, and there were other chances too). Conceded 7 goals in 4 matches - cf. Greece conceded five. And they were absent from Euro 2012, probably because of their good defensive record in the qualification stage. Sweden, however, missed the 2014 tournament after Ronaldo scored four times against them at the playoff (cf. we scored four goals at that playoff).
Greece conceded very few goals in qualification matches. At the finals, in 2012 Holebas made great mistakes versus Poland and Czech Rep which costed us two goals. Germany was a very strong team and some of our players seemed extremely nervous (+ an abysmal performance from Sifakis who was OK in the group stage matches). In 2014, the first Colombian goal with which our problems at once started was again partly due a mistake from Holebas (and partly an unlucky touch from Manolas).
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i understand, and yes, i got it - ranieri's stay with greece was not tenable after his 4 matches.....despite me willing to see ranieri get through the meat of his matches by the end of this week.
personally, i don't think he changed anything - only what he had to change, the CM.
Perhaps he cast aside our match strategy? And replaced it with... exactly what? The players themselves didnt know what the clown wanted.
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You're right. We should also continue using that strategy forever. I'd like to see 3 CBs, 3 DMs, a RB that can't run, and offset that with a LB that thinks he's a striker.
We used the former strategy for years, against minor opponents too, and we were successful. Since the WC every experimenting led to a disaster.
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Our starting XI:
Karnezis
Kitsiou/Vyntra Manolas Sokratis/K. Paps Holebas
K. Paps/Petsos Samaris
Fetfatzidis Fortounis Karelis
Mitroglou
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More news: http://www.sdna.gr/ethnikes-omades-podosfairoy/article/109630/tsanas-stin-akri-ego-koitakste-emeis
Tsanas said players should subordinate their ego to the community, so the team can escape from the current situation. He will employ the 4-2-3-1 system (with an attacking midfielder and two wingers). Eight players (says SDNA) secured their place in the Ethniki: Karnezis, Manolas, Holebas, Samaris, Fetfatzidis, Fortounis, Karelis, Mitroglou. Kitsiou and Vyntra can play right back, with the former having reportedly more chance to start [this surprised me - LM], Papastathopoulos and K. Papadopoulos contest for the place of the other CD. The second DM - if one of the former duo will be benched - can be eventually Petsos. (It seems Tziolis and Tachtsidis will start on the bench.)
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We'll likelier draw with 3 dms rather than win.
On paper our offense is stronger with more attackers, but it isnt certain that we can afford it. However, the number of DMs is less important than the system in which the team plays. With a Defense First & Counterattacks system, a Kone-Tziolis-Samaris midfield would be OK too.
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More than one or two (see Amorgos' post).
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We always had more chances against the Finland type teams (Latvia, Israel, Lithuania) with a Tziolis-Katsouranis-Maniatis midfield.
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I think we will win vs Finland with 3 defensive minded midfielders too. We have nearly no chance and our fate isnt in our hands. We should return to the system of which we know it works.
Greece-Finland(4 September 2015, Giorgos Karaiskaki, Piraeus)
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I hope Tsanas could rally a bit the guys in the pause. Santos was great at that.