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19 hours ago, J1078 said:
I completely agree.. Any confidence we built in the Finland game was thrown out the window after the Estonia game.. It was a very bad move to choose to field d that line up... A loss to a team like Estonia and it shatters your confidence..I also disagree with socratis comments as a leader you don’t come out publicly and say maybe we aren’t good enough, you just don’t do that.. He could have said a bunch of different things but when the young guys here that especially in the U21 it doesn’t send a good message..
I agree with your take on Sokratis. He is a great leader and one of the best players that Greece has ever produced, but he can't be saying things like that. He played his heart out and most of his teammates weren't able to keep up. It was his frustration talking.
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8 hours ago, J1078 said:
Read Socratis Article on sport 24. This is exactly what I was talking about in building confidence. He said
" Maybe we can't do any better, I'm really starting to believe that."
"I don't like coming to play in Greece for the NT when we keep losing to teams that are so beneath us"
"The coaches are not the problem"
This is not a good sign when your leaders lose all faith and confidence and don't believe in the team anymore.. I see this turning into a disaster now going forward... I also believe any excitement and new air the players had for the new coach is out the window now as realty just set back in and the main players and leaders don't believe themselves anymore...
This is why when the team is in a fragile state, as it has been for a while, and even more so now with a new coach and injuries to key players, it is paramount to field our best players, attack our opponents and achieve a positive result.
IMO weak decisions by our new manager.
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6 hours ago, Jimmyp said:
Sending Koulouris is a no brainer. That match is way more important than the Estonia match. I hate hearing about injuries and so forth. Every team has them. It’s Estonia we’re talking about. No excuses. None at all.
Yes it was Estonia. My point was not that we got unlucky injuries, but, rather, seeing that we only had a limited number of A-team players at our disposal due to those injuries, it was a mistake to leave out most of the few available, and approach this game as if it were some friendly.
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Guys, I put a considerable amount of blame for this loss on Ange A. He took this game vs Estonia for granted and approached it like a friendly. It wasn't enough that the team was absolutely ravaged by injuries going into yesterday's match, but he decided to sit players like Vlachodimos, Fortounis, Torosidis, Koutris and Pelkas, suddenly send our only in-form striker in Koulouris down to play with the U21s, and, barring Sokratis and maybe Zeca, start our B/C team.
No, luck did not go our way whatsoever, but the decisions made by Ange leading up to this match, and the consequences of this pitiful loss, may realistically set Greece back years.
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42 minutes ago, Polikastano said:
Can everyone just accept there is no talent . Stop blaming coaches and who they start or sit. Stop asking for no namers to come in and save the day for you. We have 2 talented players they play for Arsenal and Roma unfortunately they are defenders. Our next somewhat talented player had his peak and is going down (Mitroglou). Thats where it ends
Would you agree that the team has more talent than Estonia though?
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Team is now back at a pre-EURO 2004 state. It took us 14 years to regress full circle.
For next spring's ECQ, Lazaros must be there, and as long as Fetfa gets minutes at Oly, he has a place in the squad. We've been calling up out of form, out of favour, even out of club players for years, but we can't call up a player that even for 10 minutes can add a different dimension to the game?
Bakasetas tries, but he is always bad. They ask way too much from this player with limited ability. I don't want to see him with the NT anymore, but I can live with him on the bench. Mantalos is another one that consistently offers lazy, frail, nervous performances with the ethniki. Like Bakasetas, would like to see him no more, but will settle with him on the bench.
Mitroglou still has a place on the roster, but, man, is he hard to watch. Very dull and sluggish.
Samaris deserves a spot in the starting XI. He is good tehnically and brings with him a sharpness and confidence in ability that only a guy playing and training with one of the better clubs in Europe can bring. Guy's, I don't care what anyone says, this makes a difference. Superleague clubs are far from the standards of big European clubs in terms of training facilities/programs and club culture. Portugal is not the greatest league in the world, but it's better than Greece and has lots of raw talent, technical skill and competitiveness throughout the championship, and Benfica are a perennial Champions League club. Even if Samaris isn't a consistent starter, he still trains for and lives those matches.
Donis and Retsos need to stay healthy or they will go down the road to obscurity like K. Papadopoulos, who may have had more potential than everyone.
A lot more to say, but all we have is time until March.
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What was this team we started today? Sokratis + a mix of our B and C team. I will bet that no other nation has injuries to key players like Greece has atm. That + no call up of Lazaros and Fetfa, sending Koulouris to the U21s? This match had so much importance and we treated it like a friendly. Now, we will suffer the consequences of being in POT 4 for ECQ draw. Today's loss can potentially set the team back years.
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1 hour ago, AEK RE GAMOTO said:
When you lose to a country like Estonia, yes, YOU ARE BAD.
I am so tired of the defeatist attitude of the Greek National Team. Only in Greece is the phenomenon present. It's pathetic! How is it that tiny nations like Croatia, Belgium, and even Serbia produce players that can score? Just for once I would like to see Hellas drive up the field and finish a play with a goal. Just once so I can jizz my f-ing pants. I seriously don't get it. I've seen the goals many of the team's players have scored when playing for their clubs even when matched up against much tougher competition than Estonia, yet it all disappears when they play for country. Today there were so many weak finishes, scoffed shots, balls barely rolling to the net....I wanted to pull the little remaining hair on my damn head right out! This team has burned me emotionally and physically. Like many have said, the team needs to be blown up with exception to 2-3 core players. Sadly, though, this won't happen.....
I see what you're saying, but blown up how? Are we brining up our U21s? There are players that must go and others that must be called up, but this lies in tactics and playing the right guys in the right positions.
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2 hours ago, J1078 said:
What’s concerning is the coaches remarks after the game.. he said “I like what I saw from the players today and we were unlucky” he also said “we are not a great team yet but we aren’t that bad” ?♂️
Why does he have to say we are not a great team? We know that, but there is no reason to be vocal about it.
Out of today's XI only Sokratis is a pencilled in starter. This was out C team and we got the worst luck in the world to lose. This does not make us good, or this failure any easier to digest, but there were greater forces at work against Greece in 2018.
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There's no more national team. This generation is a wash.
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Just now, Ellada2004 said:
No more Mantalos and Bakasetas PLEASE!
Thank you. They are beyond disgusting.
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Worst luck, horrible players, dreadful tactics.
This is an embarrassment. This generation of the Greek NT is over. I feel so sorry for Sokratis.
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5 hours ago, Ellada2004 said:
In the Agonasports article it says we need to just secure 2nd place in the group to stay as a pot 3 team?
I think one of you is talking about NL and the other about Euro 2020 Qualifying draw in December.
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1 hour ago, Ellada2004 said:
What is wrong with mitro?
No Siovas??
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1 hour ago, ausgreek said:
Although, the lookalike Clint Eastwood or nowdays Chris Pratt of the Ethniki has been undoubtably Alex Tzioli$!
He had Skibbe in a trancient state.
With that logic Kone and Karnezis should be on the roster as well.
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Like we mentioned in the other thread, a solid win can put us in good position to get into the NL playoffs through the back door, but that's just so far off and hopefully we will just make it through EURO Qualifiers. Important to build on momentum and buy into the new coach's system going into the new campaign.
Roster update: Atromitos' Risvanis called up to replace injured Manolas for Sunday's match.
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Well he can't really call up anyone else for the Estonia match, so he has to play with what's on the table. The closest he can do is play 3 atb if Manolas is OK and play Koutris and Toro higher up the pitch. Don't see it happening.
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4 hours ago, Molon Lave said:
I disagree, Greece have to finish 2nd in the group to advance into the UEFA EURO 2020 qualifying playoffs. This is a meaningful match.
I concede that there is importance to finishing second, but you really didn't explain the context of your statement. Second place teams will be ranked and in line to replace a group winner for the playoffs, if said winner were to already qualify via the separate EURO qualification campaign. Which means, if Greece were to finish second place and they are the highest ranked second place team based on record, they'd be first in line to step in and have a shot at qualification if one of the 4 group winners had already qualified.
As it stands, Greece is the second ranked 2nd place team behind Bulgaria by goal differential, but every group looks like it will come down to the brink and things will likely look a lot different after this weekend.
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6 minutes ago, J1078 said:
Guys we knew the Nations League was lost... Let’s not start blaming the coach after this game... the guy needs time to adjust and figure out which players he wants and which he doesn’t want.. I truly believe the coach will start implementing his style and new young players.. I’m still very optimistic with this new coach and will not judge him until after the Euro campaign.. I think we will start to slowly see changes..
You are right, but leaving out Lazaros and Fetfa was a sin. He was left with no other attacking player than impotent Bakaseta to sub on in the last few minutes. Bakasetas is always guaranteed to suck.
I don't want to stress on Fetfa, and people on these boards have made solid arguments against him being frail and having no finish, but I don't care, with 10 minutes left he could change the pace of the game 100x better than Bakasetas.
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2 minutes ago, Chris Tsamados said:
60% possession and 2 shots on target in 93 minutes,. says it all really. Finland were worse than shite!
There's no link between midfield and attack. Mitroglou is dull and one dimensional, but he gets no service, so he can't be blamed. Not sure if we would do much better with a sharper striker.
Attacking midfield is simply very low quality.
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Shame that they couldn't even earn a meaningful game on Sunday. Disgrace.
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Finland won the group because of a better head-to-head. Estonia game will be meaningless on Sunday.
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1 minute ago, GreekLunatic said:
not much has changed between Skibbe and Anastasiadis we play a boring style
Greece of the 2000s looked like Argentina compared to this boring style of the current NT.
Torosidis does it all but can't connect a proper cross.
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1 minute ago, Molon Lave said:
When was the last time Greece scored 2 goals in a match?
I'm afraid to find out.
Sotiris Ninis ‒ (Now Playing for Kifisia)
in Greek Players Abroad
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Dean, I agree. Despite where he is playing, I guarantee you he would not look out of place with the NT, especially in its current state. No I am not saying he should be called up, but it's not like our midfielders are setting the world on fire either.