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well it didn't work as inter failed to score, job well done as far as i'm concerned. :tup: also coming up against players of quality will only improve sokratis.

yellow card on 87mins and second booking on 90mins. i suspect a 1 match ban anyone see the game ?

i hope he keeps his place this boy needs matches

Well said.Btw, he banged in another 2 today in the cup, the second was a penalty. He's certainly in superb form. :tup: Let's hope he carries that forward against Moldova and Switzerland. i take your point you have to keep progressing and aiming high but what frustrates me is that players like haristeas lybe and salpi who are no where near as good as samaras do not get no where near as much flak as samaras, the moment he has a bad game the knives are out for him (lazy bad attitude overrated average etc). he deserves a place in the 11 vs moldova, i just hope otto gives it to him

so do the lower tier greek teams. like i said before we bash our best players and no matter how many he scores he never gets the credit he deserves

Highlights: Kilmarnock v Celtic http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/scotland/7628536.stm

work ethic alone is not enough you need quality, put me in the national team and my determination and work ethic would be incredible too, charisteas is at the peak of his career samaras is 23, as an 18 year old playing in holland how did his goal scoring rate compare with charisteas' when charisteas was playing in holland ? charisteas doesn't score enough what makes you think he'd score more in scotland than samaras ? why do we bash our best players like samaras and seitaridis, no matter how many goals he scores people will say its only scotland, what more can he do ?

It shows that this year's Olympiakos and AEK is miles behind last years Olympiakos and AEK... What's your point? Does that boost Samaras' acheivements? Scoring goals in the Scottish league will also put him in the shop window more than if he was scoring goals in Russia, but the Russian league is miles ahead. Every big footballing nation seems to have a feeder league. If a player plays excellently in Cyprus, the logical next step would be to move to Greece. A top North African player will probably be noticed by the French teams. The SPL is a British league and so the Prem (which is arguably the strongest league in the world) is the logical destination. Exposure has nothing to do with quality. Celtic and Rangers... I said that the Scottish league without the top 2 is weak. If anything this point adds weight to my claims. If Celtic and Rangers are soooo good and the rest of the league is s%$#! then of course a striker for Celtic is going to get goals. That doesn't make him top class. What makes him top class is to finish top scorer and produce internationally and in Europe (like Henrik Larsson used to do). Samaras is only scoring goals in Scotland. And Rangers got KO'd by Kaunas while Queen of the South lost to Someshitdanishteam FC. :LOL: What's your point? You are essentially arguing that the Greek league is rubbish, that's a different discussion though. We are talking about the strength of the Scottish league, not relative to Greece, but in comparison to the rest of Europe. After all, we are discussing the level of Samaras' acheivements. The fact is he's scoring goals in one of Europe's weakest leagues while playing for its strongest team. When he plays against top quality opposition he disappears. This is worrying for us as Greece NT fans. I don't know what your predictions were, where they that Spain and Man Utd would pick up the trophies? WOW I'm sure you were the only one to guess that! It shows that this year's Olympiakos and AEK is miles behind last years Olympiakos and AEK... What's your point? Does that boost Samaras' acheivements? no this does not boost his achievements, however it does seem to suggest that he's better off at celtic than in greece. Scoring goals in the Scottish league will also put him in the shop window more than if he was scoring goals in Russia, but the Russian league is miles ahead. Every big footballing nation seems to have a feeder league. If a player plays excellently in Cyprus, the logical next step would be to move to Greece. A top North African player will probably be noticed by the French teams. The SPL is a British league and so the Prem (which is arguably the strongest league in the world) is the logical destination. Exposure has nothing to do with quality. again this proves he's better off at celtic than playing in greece And Rangers got KO'd by Kaunas while Queen of the South lost to Someshitdanishteam FC. What's your point? You are essentially arguing that the Greek league is rubbish, that's a different discussion though. We are talking about the strength of the Scottish league, not relative to Greece, but in comparison to the rest of Europe. After all, we are discussing the level of Samaras' acheivements. The fact is he's scoring goals in one of Europe's weakest leagues while playing for its strongest team. When he plays against top quality opposition he disappears. This is worrying for us as Greece NT fans. the reason i brought up the greek league was to highlight that greek NT players play in greece vs weak opposition like toro and nini and they are not average, these are good players hence samara is not average just because he plays in scotland, you're too harsh on samara he played well in latvia(average opposition but thats not his fault) played well in turkey and never really featured in euro 08. (queen of the south are not in the SPL by the way) I don't know what your predictions were, where they that Spain and Man Utd would pick up the trophies? WOW I'm sure you were the only one to guess that! pure guess zero football knowledge.

I've told you before, if you want to learn about football you've got to watch more than just British football. :P None of the teams outside the top 2 in Scotland are as good as Aris, Panionios, Larissa, or PAOK. Queen of the South just got KO'd of the UEFA Cup by the Someshitdansihteam FC that Olympiakos' worst ever B team just beat comfortably in Denmark for goodness sake. Go check the head to head record between the Scottish and Greek teams and see the discrepancy. Samaras is doing well, bravo tou, but we can't get over excited until he starts replicating that form against strong opposition, i.e. in the CL or for the NT. Until he does that we can't get over excited. He had a good start to his Celtic career last year in the league, but didn't score in the CL or for Greece. This year his first CL game was against Aalborg(!) and he drew a blank. When he starts performing consistently at the top level we can start getting excited, until then we have to conclude that he's average. you compare cypriot league to the SPL without celtic and rangers but remember the TOP TWO(in terms of league position last season) greek sides were beaten by cypriot teams recently what does that tell you about our super league. if samaras gets 30 goals this season that will put him in the shop window more so than it would if he scored lots of goals in greece. also scottish teams have got a better record in europe, UEFA cup finalists in 03 and 08.so celtic missed a penalty and failed to beat aalborg. oly and aek lose to cypriots sides. for someone that needs to learn about football my euro 08 predictions wern't bad :D niether were my champions league predictions for last season.

you could argue that if you take pao oly and aek out the greek league than that would be weaker than the cypriot league. my opinion is ludicrous, yours is fact which you clearly proved with your fijian example.

thats just your opinion, i don't think there's much to choose between the 2.

you could also argue that all the greece based players in our NT are also up against weak opposition week in week out, you could add dellas to that list too. at least playing for celtic gives him more exposure. i think its unfair to call him average just because he's playing in a poor league, haristeas is average not samaras. torosidis and ninis play in a poor league also but i believe they are decent not average players.

Vasilis Torosidis has admitted he would be interested in a move to the Premier League. Versatile Olympiakos player Torosidis is regarded as one of the most exciting prospects in Greece and has already made 15 appearances for his country. The 23-year-old has been linked with a switch to Blackburn but he insists he has not heard anything official to suggest they are considering him. He is happy to stay at Olympiakos, although he concedes he is a fan of English football and would be tempted to join Blackburn if the opportunity arises. "Nobody has contacted me and no document has arrived from Blackburn," Torosidis told the Greek media. "It is only rumours and it is not up to me to go somewhere. I have a contract with Olympiakos. http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,128...3874413,00.html

leto latest http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,128...3860987,00.html

you won't get lucas there's no chance.

Olympiakos are reportedly in talks with Liverpool over the signing of midfielder Sebastian Leto. Leto joined The Reds last summer from Lanus but has struggled for first-team opportunities since his switch http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,128...3826484,00.html this player looked really average whenever i've seen him but he is young and has time to improve. i don't think he'll be a great signing if you guys do get him by the way he plays left midfield/wing

Samaras seals Celtic return Greek striker delighted to secure permanent deal with SPL champions Celtic have completed the signing of Georgios Samaras on a permanent deal from Manchester City. Samaras spent the second half of last season on loan at Parkhead and had been keen to stay with the SPL champions. http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,110...3821624,00.html http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/t...tic/7506849.stm

cannot believe anyone rates lua lua more than reyes he did well for arsenal and real madrid but football is all about opinionsas for luis garcia he can play right left or just behind the striker and has an amazing strike rate.

luis garcia is class and so is reyes i can't believe either of these players will go to greece. would be great for the super league if they did come

fergusons policy of intimidating refs has paid dividens again, and good luck to him if it works why not, mourinho was the same.

bad move selling alonso, he's better than barry. they need to sell voronin crouch pennant carson itanje guthrie hammill finnan and go for better players than the likes of degen otherwise itle be another season with nothing for the reds

congratulations to samaras just won the SPL with celtic. the only greek abroad with any honours this season. shows what a strong character he is and what a great attitude he has could have stayed at man city and won nothing but this has turned out to be a great move for him, hopefully he'll get a good move this summer :gr: :gr: :gr: :tup: :tup: :nw: :nw:

ferguson was very clever calls for a strong ref and for protection for ronaldo, meanwhile he instructs his defenders to kick lumps out of torres. man u will win the league, and probably the european cup too, they tend to get decisions go their way and have an ability to win when they play poorly and when they click they're awesome. i noticed the media coverage of mascherano was way over the top, i just hope the same coverage is given to the likes of terry and rooney in future. @arsenal. i don't think the lack of english players is a problem, to me its not important, 11 english players or 11 foreign makes no difference to me. put ronaldo(and a decent keeper) in that team and i'm sure they'd win the league

coventry have signed kasper schmiechel on loan til june. konstantopoulos will not play for coventry again this season, unless marshall and schmiechal get injured. looks like the new manager chris coleman is not willing to give him a chance

i remember that incident, although no apology was given they did say that the gunman mistook the greeks for israelis. i'm in no way justifying the incident though. as for playing in serbia don't believe the media hype thats made the serbs look like monsters, there is no way a greek team playing there would have any problems. quite how you can compare that with playing in gaza is amazing