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i dont understand why there is even a debate on whose at fault. it starts from the top and works its way down. i see it in my own city of chicago. the day the old man who owned the chicago blackhawks died, and an owner who cared stepped in, we won 3 stanley cups in 6 years. look at the chicago cubs. it was 108 years since they won anything. new owners came in, hired the best gm in baseball, recruited players from their acadamies and won the championship this year... if u want changes to panathinaikos, u must start from the top. Gate 13 messed up by chasing out the family and standing behind alafouzo. gate 13 should have no say in who the president is. they should go to the matches and sing for the players. we dont have a proper medical staff, our scouts are crap, our accadamies have gone to sh*t, and we need to stop relying on players like ibarbo and prajnic to come and save us.. not gonna happen

Absolutely. You hold a military exercise exactly where they told you not to IMMEDIATELY. I am not some nationalist beat your chest Ellinara, however what I do know is what you do to bullies. You call them on their bullshit and you stand up to them. Otherwise they continue to take advantage and won't stop. I normally would think a statement like Kammenos made to be retarded however it's exactly what was/is needed and the Turks need some of this to back off. A lot more. I cant read Erdogan/Turkey. My gut tells me this is a lot of hot air and the typical bravado when there is internal problems, ie the fake coup and Erdogan brining his enemies to their knees but which really is damaging the country and let's create some tension outside to take the focus off and beat our chests. But I can't help not to take the things they are saying serious. You shouldn't say s%$#! like that unless you are ready to fight. That's my mindset. Relations have really soured and no Greek should take these words lightly. Erdogan is crazy, who knows what he may try to pull. All I know is in 96 the Turks didn't truly want to fight for Imia and we called their bluff. This has to happen more. And be prepared for the worse. It's easy to say from afar but if they don't do this from the start they may find themselves in a worse situation later on. Tsipra needs to say something....

well..then that proves that the defence is the major issue...which is the point I made in the original post.. It's unacceptable that the management (3 managers and board) did not see this in July.. Atromitos, Beer Sheeva, Astana, Young Boys, Iraklis, Larissa,Aruca have all caused us to look ordinary and at times embarrassed us.. - This is unacceptable ....

you dont lose points if u lose. u just dont get any. not all teams play friendlies. the only problem the belarus friendly cause is the mentality. if we had drawn/won it we would be unbeaten for 7 matches. also the speakers told thetruth. you cant just call your B team players like oikonomou,glykos,diamantakos and not have them play at all. its a disrespect torwards the players.

More full backs, we've dipped below our quota of 35

Worst hangover of my life