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its a shame that that its 2015, and we are in worst shape than 1995 in terms of viewing games.

Slogans, gamise ta slogans, since when do slogans get you in more s%$#! then figting with MAT. Very clear corruption going on here yet again, Slogans - 25k Fight with MAT - 1,335k :lol: eleos mia zoi

This fascination with left and right is part of the reason why Greece is such a broken country now. All it does is cause division and hatred. It is never productive ... not that I have seen. It is purely, at least in my eyes, a reason for one section of the population to persecute or steal from another section of the population. Or to feel better about themselves. Or to enrich or improve their position somehow. Labeling someone "left" or "right" makes it easier to f--k them over ... without feeling guilty that you've done the wrong thing. We Greeks are specialists at it. Grand Masters. The second I hear this left that right I almost just tune out. As for Tsipras, ideology when youthful is one thing, and practise in the real world is another. He's about as left as my left nut ... in practise. There is no left or right anymore. There is only "Ms. Merkel, is it all right if I can do this or that". Greece is now bearing the fruit of decades of incompetence.

Now, say another lie.

Panathinaikos is NOT denying it. They are saying he was give an test but was not found drunk. I smell a little rat

Che... you have come along way in the last 2 years... well summed up...

Nice post Che.

I'd say one of the biggest problems in Greece has been not the left, but the lack of left. Meaning everyone wants the "left" but they've never actually gotten to see what its all about (not that most ever have) or at least have never acknowledged its faults, as they always find a scapegoat. It's all speculation on what this "dream world" would, could, should, and possibly look like. They want solutions without actually being the ones to solve anything and so this anti-government entity is supposed to miraculously show up and ironically "govern" the country towards universal equality. But the type of equality that only protects their own of course. The left wing parties have done a great job of milking the system by distancing their ideology from positions of criticism, enough to still fuel this dream world they all live in, and their ideology. For example: - KKE had the ability to rule side by side with another leftist party but refused, as their "morals" don't allow for them to be a part of the "system". Thus they keep this little leftist myth alive and the same 5%-7% continues to vote for them. In their minds KKE has never F***ed up (since they've never ruled) and so their ideology can continue to live unscathed. - Syriza comes into power, completely give in to the worst mnimonio of them all, and our borders have turned into a third world free for all. They blame the conditions with which they had to negotiate and take personal "responsibility" for the last 6 months BUT leftism remains unscathed. Tsipra absorbs all the blame while ultra leftism takes none. There is no mention of how their populist policies, fueled by their own ideologies harmed the economy more than Samara.There is no mention of how the "workers united" ideology has fueled them to completely neglect our borders. After all the big bad Europeans didn't allow us to truly implement a leftist "system" and so just like the KKE myth, the dream stays alive. - What about PASOK ? Especially the populist PASOK of Andrea Papandreou? "Naaaa, their a CENTER left party. They don't count." Didn't his, "Us against the system!" rhetoric harm the country, as everyone was just looking for ways to steal from the system and government? "NOOO, He was CENTER left remember? not really left, its different when you're really left." So in essence the word center acts as a defense mechanism for the defenders of the "dream" In essence everyone has made it a habit to point towards the Junta as a "proven" example of a failed right wing period in Greek history. But no one acknowledges any of the faults that have been created by leftism as there is always an excuse as to why we haven't really seen this dream system or anti-system, or what ever the F*** it really is (i dont even think they know wtf it is) , fully implemented. And so the majority of the Greek population is split into 2 groups: 1. The Dreamers: The group that truly believes in this Utopian workers paradise, without boarders, classifications, taxes, evil corporations, and big bad governments. This group is usually poor, disillusioned, and desperate. They're the people who join the social media buzz about "the couple who quit their office jobs to travel the world" but don't bother to read that the couple cleans toilets for a living (to pay for a place to stay at night) and walk endless miles a day because they can't afford transportation. They are more interested in a messiah than a leader. They're so tired and drained that they just want to believe that a new anti-system establishment can overhaul the old one without a fight, and that society will be healed without work. So they continue to vote for the politician with the biggest promises and the most enticing, untested, ideology. 2. The Dream Creators: The group that benefits from the "dream". This group includes your politicians, unions, and public sector workers. This group hopes the dream stays alive because the longer it is alive, the longer they get their fat pensions, paychecks, and unemployment compensation. These are the people who are for a "united world of workers", as long as they don't personally have to do the work and as long as they're still being payed of course. They're the one's telling Group 1 how important the anti-establishment movement is, while they get paid directly by the establishment! This is the group that Tsipra and every Tsipra appeases and in return his party gains votes and another mouth to spread the word of wisdom, towards a different, better Utopia. And so the result of this food chain of dreamers and dream "creators" is a Syriza government who went to negotiate with Europe, and the second they mentioned cutting public sector jobs and salaries, Syriza disrupted all negotiations, and sent Europe into a 6 month long spiral of failed discussions and 'he said she said' accusations. They brought back their weapon and most devout pawns in spreading the word about their dream world; the media, aka ERT. Then after SIX MONTHS of defending their pawns so fanatically, money and time ran out so what did Syriza do?........................Throw the entire f###ing private sector under the bus in a matter of A WEEK. Unfortunately these poor souls who have no way of paying for their business expenses and workers, who's checks were bouncing for weeks, and who are now being taxed 23%, have no choice but to continue voting for the "dream" as that is all they have left. The golden children of the public sector however, remain untouched. PS. This is in no way a post showing preference for the right wing as they did their fare share of f###ing up to add fuel to the leftist, pseudo-utopian, ideologies we find our selves facing today.

Lollllll freezer that whole doctor comparison to essien was by far the worst example I've ever read in my life

So now you get fined more for having abusive banners in the ground than fighting, again that makes real sense. And what was bad about our fans behaviour? No pitch invasion, no fighting with MAT, no fighting with opposing fans, im abit lost on this fan behaviour. Reaper do you not see anything wrong with this fine toward AEK? Cant wait to see if AEK fans fight with MAT what the fine will be. Surely we will get the 1335 fine like Oly right?

Sorry for the immediate quote, but THIS is it, exactly. Corruption is just viewed as the natural order of things. You can write multiple thesis (thesises? theses?) on where this comes from. I would bet it stems from the same place that the motto of the country ("