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Also big chances Werder get relegated. If that happens the whole transfer of Petsos will be a waste.

The hungary match 4-3 is not a good example of how well defensively our midfield worked. we conceded 3 goals from

As long as your defence stays put against teams like Estonia , Cyprus, Bosnia , who are much inferior to the level and football talent of our defenders, our problem will be , as it has always been , the goal. Since doing crosses from Torosidis and Holebas does not seem to work much ,at least not with 1 tall center forward, with 2 tall we ll have twice the efficiency to reach a player of ours with a cross but to also score. Apart from that , we have no wingers, and putting wingers is a waste of space , as it s been obvious from our last campaign. Our best winger has been Holebas and he is not even a winger, So you realise the struggle. Id put 2 creative players like Fortounis and Taxtsidis do the crosses that they know to do , and with 2 CF with such a nice shot, our offence can secure a 2nd spot. All this in the ideal circumstances of team finding it's previous performance and confidence.

So can someone tell me what happened to pelkas ? don't seem to see his name so often written in the assists and goals areas. Is he even playing ? Is he playing bad or is his role a bit back.

Well Fortounis is creative as a player . But Maniatis is (or was if you prefer) a fast player with good defensive instinct. If you just care about keeping he 0 back , you don't have a need for Fortounis.

A 5 - 3 - 2 could be enough to take us draws vs belgium by the way. If Kyriakos papadopoulos is fit , with Taxi Maniatis Samaris in the midfield and Kone with Mitroglou seems a plan.

Would you guys prefer a National Team with Wingers , with Fetfatzidis , maybe Kaltsas and Karelis if they show steady improvement now with the first playing starter at PAO and Karelis probably getting a transfer at a better league, or with a system like the one against Hungary, with 2-3 very talented and creative players like Forounis, Pelkas , Mantalos ? Personally I would go for the 2nd for one reason only. Mitroglou. The Benfica coach has him figured that he needs a 2nd striker to work with. He and Jonas are cooperating well and his lack of solo effort success due to 0 speed doesn't show. There are many times when the 2 are both found in the opponent's area.Id put a second striker up front , who can run too , like Vellios or Giannou , so there is no space for wingers. 4-2-2-2 would seem more appropriate with our material, with the typical defence , a Tachtsidis/Maniatis and Samaris DM duo, a Pelkas / Mantalos / Kone / Fortounis duo and maybe playing a bit wide and a Mitroglou with someone else up front. By the way, about 1 year ago I remember 2 very good players of our league , Zeca and Marcelinho willing to take Greek citizenship. They would then be both legit for the Greek National Team. And I think Zeca already got it. Does anyone know what's going on ? Or does the NT not accept such players to wear the e8noshmo ? I mean Diego Costa and many others did it. Why can't we.

What's up with the Torsten Frings guy ? I am not familiar with the name.

Wiki sais he got loaned again at Rapid Wien.

You are too hard on Savvides. He might not know how to get organised but that might not be his fault , he changes the armodious every year and I don't believe its his fault again. Rome wasn't build in a day, and clearing your debts is actually a huge move which means he is interested in running the club himself and not making money out of it and quitting. He seems to have interest in youth talent development with the likes of Pelkas and Konstantinidis being key players along Robert Mak , a slovakian super star , Rodriguez, Golasa and Athanasiadis.

Rosterwise Olympiakos is far inferior to Galatasaray and Fenerbahce. But Both teams don't do any better at Europe. Can't talk about Fener because they had a ban from European Competitions since 2015-16. Galatasaray usually perfrms as Oly does , maybe goes 1 or 2 rounds further in Europa League and maybe they qualified for R16 of champions League 1 more time than us the last 5-6 years.

rip europa league.

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im pretty sure Dinamo Zagreb has played beyond december. I might be wrong though.

Lst year it was.

I am only talking about the secured money from qualifying to the groupstage. isn't that 10 mill ? Not based on our performances /wins / etc.

Competition for first spot used to be between 3 teams. Oly ,Pao , Aek (and in the brains of PAOKtzides, Paok too. There was even competition for Europa League with teams like Aris and Larisa , even teams like Oly Volou who had few seasons managed to do good. Right now The competition for first spot is gone. And so is the competition for playoffs. Pao ,Paok ,Aek got a spot guaranteed , due to fanela and history which the other greek teams lack. 4th play off spot really got competition between Panionios,Asteras, and maybe Iraklis makes a step up and takes the spot. So my prediction is that the timetable will be: Oly Pao Aek Paok Asteras/Iraklis and with less chances Panionios This listing is about 80% correct. Where's the drama and the thrilling excitement over who wins the damn league ? Wheres the excitement waiting for a surprise team to step up and get a play off spot. Where's the excitement about a big team being ripped off from a play off spot by a team we dont e ven know its core roster. Im Olympiakos and i started blaming Oly at this post but frankly, if the others dont bother slightly stepping up it ain't gonna happen. You say Ira and Panionios are some big surprises of this year but I doubt it. They are teams with fanbase and with some good seasons in the past. Asteras is the only modern superleague's surprise.

Finally someone gets what im trying to say. However , Im pretty sure Oly gets 10 mill from CL.

A friend met fortounis at the airport someday about 2 months or 3 ago I dont remember. He asked him about his opinion on the NT failures. Fortounis answer was this : The team , us the players , thought that after going so well at the WC, we could play 20 minutes on each qualifying match and win.

I agree but Kokkalis spent money that Marinakis wont. Maybe in total Marinakis has spent more , as a number , but football then wasnt what it is today. The contracts were a lot smaller. Maybe we found out the cause that smaller championship are being downgraded ? Capitalism ? Yet , we can't blame that and start praying to panagia like paok while spending nothing.

Btw this whole questiong though , it has happened before and things did not change , makes nosense since we were under a totally different management. Each management acts on a situation differently , based on its aims and goals. And I dont believe Marinakis and SIA goal is to upgrade Greek Football.

For a starter we didnt take part at 2008 CL... Secondly , we are talking about a year that Panathinaikos had a team ,and did well in Europe, we weren't alone that year, there were 2 decent teams Pao qualified for the R16 Oly qualified from the europa groupstage, Right now , what's gonna happen if we have a similar turn of events? No other team seems to have any interest in Europe , except maybe Asteras Tripolis (hahaha), who is the unluckiest team so far when it comes to draws , getting teams like Schalke and Tottenham , teams with CL material.

Im just not sure weather the fact that our Champion no longer immidiately qualifies for the Champions League is gonna benefit us , to build a far stronger teams with not only Free Agents in fear of not qualifiying for the Ch League , or will make players uninterested in moving to Greece.

So what you are telling me is that we are in fact a small team and will never be big because we are in a non-competitive league. some of the reasons , not the only of course, that the league is non-competitive is because we win it all the time, which is not bad honestly, but is a reason , and a second reason is that we buy and sell everything that moves with the ball in style and with some talent. So you don't disagree at all with me. I appreciate it Red Sheriff.