New Book On Panathinaikos History

[Alex1908]

Friends, excuse a shameless promotion of a new book of mine, out this week, but it is with a small (though prestigious) Greek American publishing house, so promotion will be minimal and word-of- mouth crucial in ensuring sales, over the web outside Greece and at central Athens bookstores very soon. The title of the book is

[XXX-18T]

is it in english or Greek?

What are your thoughts of where the Trifili came from.

They say its from Chalkidonia's crest but where did they get it from?

[Genome]

This is a direct link to the book's info. Good luck with the sales my friend.

[Alex1908]

The origins of the trifylli, which I discuss in the book are unclear, because there seem to be 3 sources: the first as you mention, is the Halkidona club in Constantinople, from where the athlete Papazoglou moved to Panathinaikos. The second is from a German team, and noticed by Apostolos Nikolaides. The third is the winner of the 1906 Interim Olympics (Athens) marathon race, the Irish-Canadian Sherring. All this points to the shamrock being popular as an emblem throughout the world, popularized by Irish athletes who traveled around, as British athletes did at the time spreading football. And Panathinaikos' choice of such an emblem points to the club's European and internationalist orientation.

Thanks you for the full link to the book page. I have always considered PAO and AEK "adelfa somateia" though ofcourse keen rivals :)

[XXX-18T]

Who was the German team?

[Alex1908]

Spielvereinigung Furth, Bavarian Champions of 1914. Apostolos Nikolaidis was in Bavaria that year.

[XXX-18T]

wow they look like our German twins!

Even their Trifili looks similar!

So was Nikolaidis inspired or did he copy them?

What significance does the Trifili hold to the Germans?

[Clover22]

Actually in a funny way I think its kind of cool that the Trifilli is a mystery. I would like to know though.

[Alex1908]

I have to agree that the mystery is kind of cool. I think they choose it not because they are copying the German club or Papazoglou's Halkidona club but because they are looking for an emblem that is associated with soccer and not with Ancient Greece because after all the founder Kalafatis broke away from Panellenios Gymnastikos Syllogos in 1908 because he felt they were favoring track and field events. PGS' symbol is the discus thrower. So when they get round to thinking about a symbol, they are lloking for something associated with soccer and which is international. We may only know if or when the original records of those discussions are found and released to the public. The trouble is, most of those "old papers" were not kept very well by any Greek sports club...

[athinaios]

Alex,

What has happened to the Byzantine Center at Queens College? Are they still around?

By the 1980s, the Greeks stopped coming to the US for college as Europe opened up to them. It must be a trickle now, so Greek/Byzantine studies must be able to attract second generation GAs and others.

[Alex1908]

Yes, the Center is still around, Professor Psomiades retired, it is directed now by Prof. Christos Ioannides.

I last taught a class there in the Spring '04 semester, it was on the Athens Olympics, with about 15 students who were mostly 2nd generation (i.e. US-born) Greek Americans. I think that is the "sociological profile" of most of the Queens College students who take courses at the Center.

[athinaios]

That's nice. I remember Harry saying that he wanted the Center to survive after he left QC. Aparently it has! Is it still in Jefferson Hall?

Isn't Christos Ioannides a Cyprus specialist?

Some time ago, when I was closer to the Omogeneia I knew what went on...

So, how do you assess the impact of the 2004 Olympics on Greece?

[Alex1908]

I think the 2004 Olympics shocased Greece's strengths & weaknesses: a huge success in getting everything ready just in time and running the Games smoothly, but a huge minus with Kenteris & Thanou getting caught using performance enhancing drugs and part of the public blaming the drug companies and booing the athletes at the start of the 200 meter race...

Is anyone in the Philadelphia area by the way? See below:

On Sunday May 9 at 2:00pm Alexander Kitroeff will present his latest book

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[Alex1908]

The book event listed above is postponed so as not to clash with Mother's day...

[Alex1908]

Article on book Panathinaikos Book:

"Exploring the History of a Venerable Soccer Club"

on Haverford College webpage:

http://www.haverford.edu/news/stories/40111/51

[Alex1908]

A brief write up about the Panathinaikos history book and a short excerpt from the introduction were published in last Sunday's (June 20th) "Avghi tis Kyriakis" newspaper:

http://enthemata.wordpress.com/2010/06/20/kitroef/

[Irlandos]

Out of curiosity, how much of this book centers on the past i.e. pre-Wembley PAO?

[Alex1908]

There are 11 chapters in which the history is treated chronologically, there is a separate chapter on Wembley which is the 8th, so that gives you an idea.

If you are interested, here is a review of the book that appeared in To Vima tis Kyriakis:

http://www.tovima.gr/default.asp?pid=2&art...6&dt=11/07/2010

[adonis]

hi

is this book available for sale in athens or internet only?

if so could you suggest where i could get a copy?

thanks,

[Alex1908]

Adoni,

The book has just recently arrived in Athens and is or will very soon be available at Eleftheroudakis

[Alex1908]

Hello, the book was reviews in the Kathimerini Sunday edition of October 10th, here is the link:

http://news.kathimerini.gr/4dcgi/_w_articl.../10/2010_417931

[Alex1908]

My book on Panathinaikos' history,

[Irlandos]

Alex,

What internet sites can we use to purchase your book?

[Alex1908]

Sorry for the belated response:

http://www.greekworks.com/bookstore/

[Irlandos]

Thanks, Alex, my copy has been ordered! :)