Alphonse
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The referee on a Greek sport show after the game gave it off side, it's down to interpretation, it's a tough call, personally I think it's actually a goal as Bargas was at full stretch and we saw his reaction after it went in.
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@Jimmyp I have never seen him, have heard mixed things about him but generally good stuff, were you surprised he flunked in Italy?
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I like the line up but for Tachtsidis, time to give someone else a go, I would prefer runners tbh. he does not take hold of games, Kourbelis and Zeca for example would be great to see, also Galanopoulos next to Kourbelis would be good to see
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After recent events this could be catastrophic, you think that is fair to say?
Will this effect Antenna Pacific games?
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8 hours ago, DunfermlineAthleticPAOK said:
PAOK are being made out to be the bogeyman here but the system is so corrupt and has been broken for so long that it had to boil over at some point. TBH when you go back and look at previous incidents, then what happened on Sunday night was nowhere near the worst and I am actually surprised that in years past, clubs have not just gone "whats the point?" and given up totally due to being sick and tired or the same crap every year.
Ask yourself what the difference is now in 2018 rather than any of the past 20+ years? In my honest opinion, it's clear why this is getting so much attention and faux outrage. Savvidis has come in and kicked the hornets nest big time and spoiled the equilibrium. God only knows what he was thinking on Sunday night and he deserves to get punished big time to stop things like this happening again.
The players and fans should not be punished for this sorry mess. The money men and people with 'power' in Greece have caused this and its been coming for a long time. Funnily enough, up until Olympiakos fans stormed the pitch, this season was passing without major incident and seemed to be fairly contested with games and the league being decided on the pitch.
Why anyone would want to be a ref is mystery but especially in Greece. They lost total control with the farcical way they handled the situation.They are over dramatic and get far too animated which only makes it worse. Saying that, the way AEK's players and bench reacted was pretty disgraceful referees need to be more decisive and stronger mentally... i guess it's easier said than done though.
Very good post and on the money.
You make a key point about the money men and people in power in Greece... for me this is the real issue, a huge lack of common sense, calmness and leadership. The curruption and anarchist culture in Greece has killed football IMO.
Big point you make, until the OSFP incident with cops at the AEK game the season was going fine, and following that incidents at Toumba in the two games we have spoken about by only some people have created chaos because the Greeks can’t handle situations and in a timely manner.
EPO needs a leader, the current president is useless, frankly, I think people from abroad need to come in and actually run the game in Greece as I can’t see them changing to be able to handle situations that go a little haywire, it just becomes one big mess
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3 hours ago, Bananas said:
So you decide NOW is the time to show authority and PAOK will be the EXAMPLE! With this one swift and yet to be thought of punishment we will cleanse the league and behold all presidents will tremble in fear.
I'm not saying that it shouldn't be so, I'm saying that you have the second largest city in Greece feeling like it's being targeted just because well all of a sudden for the first time in 3 decades their team is competitive and has an owner that actually pays the players on time. Get where I'm going with this ? It just makes the situation worse, not better. Have any punishments harsh or otherwise improved Greek soccer in the last 25 years ? Is there one you think will work on this occasion ? I mean really work. Go on throw the book at them! Something tells me no matter how harsh the penalty all you're going to do is piss off half a million people.
If they can be wise (ha ha I know) and punish only Savvidis maybe then we may be going in the right direction. I hold little hope that will happen though and all that's going to happen is Savvidis after getting smacked down will just come back harder only this time he'll probably do it less publicly. After all, the man has meetings with Putin on occasion.
Did you forget what Panathinaikos has copped??? My god people!! I’m trying to not get involved but some of the things I’m reading...
Savvidis forced a match to be abandoned, PAOK will be punished for this weather you guys like it or not or try convince yourselves you won’t.
Whats a shame is how good the fans were despite the one idiot in the OSFP game.
For the sake of Greek Football they need to act on this right away.
As much as you guys want to talk about the past it’s not gona get you anywhere. The “authorities” have really only started to hold some accountability the last few years. PAO has been heavily punished as a result, you can’t escape this.
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1 hour ago, Blackhawk said:
Can I ask you one question? How long have you been following Greek football?
1995
You guys continue to surprise me, it's actually quite pointless how long I have follow Greek Football for, I know of your writing well Blackhell and your tv stuff which I love, I have not just come on board Greek football.
My post you have quoted clearly states why I asked you the questions I did but you guys don't see the big picture. I know the history and I know OSFP's juganought of the league. I expect they lose the 3 points vs AEK
Bravo to Savvidis for doing what I am looking at PAOK to do - take so responsibility without putting a blame or deflecting it on others!!!!
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I just told you I don't feel AEK harassed the officials, it was dumb and the reff should have booked both AEK and PAOK players that kept surrounding him but that was the referee's perogative.
Ok, see what happens in court Sydney PAOK, I think you have more to worry about than me but hey, let's see what happens
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36 minutes ago, SydneyPAOK said:
What point? I have admitted that my team needs to be punished for the actions of Savvidis.
You though have not manned up. I dont see you calling out aek the way the players and management behaved by manhandling and verbally abusing the officials until the decision was overturned.
Ela re file, man handled and verbally abused the official?
There is not a single mention of that anywhere, your just deflecting here.
My point is pointing the finger elsewhere like your doing now & more so before.
Bravo for being a man and admitting about PAOK.
AEK has had their moments in the past too I’m not denying that nor said they weren’t I just don’t get why we are bringing that up.
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33 minutes ago, Nea Bafra said:
You're just trolling and it's not even good or particularly imaginative trolling, why don't you go and spout some of this back in the AEK forum because that is where it's more suited, except it's lifeless in there and you can't get the attention that your childish self craves.
This is not trolling, your post is poor when it gets to this level don’t worry bout wasting your time with these posts to me
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When did I say my team were angels or that Greek football was squeaky clean?? Lol
PAOK Sydney, I’ve been following Greek Football for many many years, I dunno why your going there but you again prove my point.
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Can't imagine any decent player would come to Greece now, as well as investment into so many clubs needing it... this is a huge blow for the game
TV deal will be worth nothing
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I was just thinking that @athinaios how ironic our posts are right now!
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27 minutes ago, PAOK17 said:
I think you're missing the forest for the trees. Yes, the things in Toumba are not acceptable, but they are all connected in the bigger web of issues in Greek soccer in general. You say a "PAOK chairman invaded the pitch carrying a gun and threatened the reff and Dimitriadis." The threats are alleged for one, and second the gun is circumstantial. Again, it was stupid that he carries it. No one is arguing with you on that.
But let's not forget that no one even knew about the gun until it was posted by NOVA later. Would you still have the same attitude if there was no gun? If so, then why are you not up in arms for when Theodoridis, and Olympiakos chairman, stormed the pitch and demanded his team leave the pitch?
Like I said, I am fine with throwing the book at PAOK, but make sure to thoroughly clean up the rest of Greek soccer too. Savvidis isn't the problem, his behaviour is just a symptom. If we don't fix it from top-bottom, then we will have the same conversation in a few months. Cycle, rinse and repeat.
I am not missing the forest from the trees, ironically most of the PAOK guys are who are doing exactly what you say as I have pointed out above.
My points are all for the bigger issues of Greek soccer in general.
Gun or no gun, you yourself have gone back on your own words... Savvidis's behavior just a symptom? This symptom maybe the peak of what we need to make Greek football civil, you can not excuse the gun or play it down as you guys are. I may not have seen it originally but guess what... the players, officials and security on the ground saw it, the effect that has it considerable, it's why this has gone viral.
You don't know that I was in fact up in arms when Theodoridis stormed the pitch and the saga was horribly managed too.
We need to start calling it as it is boys, stop trying to save grace and man up. Greek football needs to sort itself out big time, we are fighting within but we all know we need to clean this crap out and stop these powers that be at the like of OSFP, PAOK, AEK, PAO etc... and hooligans ruin the show for the real football fans
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57 minutes ago, SydneyPAOK said:
The thing is that the olympiakos fans rioting on the pitch in Karaiskaki after the aek match was grabbing all the media attention. Now that PAOK has been involved in events does that mean you sweep that incident under the carpet? Should other fan riots/disturbances not be looked at either where fans and police have been injured across other teams?
What about corruption of the last 20 years where there are match fixing allegations and scandals, refeering decisions favouring one team, club owners storming dressing rooms, other cup finals won in dubious circumstances, clubs with debts not being punished. Why should all these things be ignored? In all honestly why should aek players get away with man handling the officials?
PAOK should be punished but so should other clubs. A royal commission of the entire greek superleague needs to occur where every single club and all football bodies are investigated.
Olympiakos is on trial today, provided they lose the 3 points that is being dealt with
I am talking about the now and non of what you day can be ignored but we can't go back on that and excuse what has happened today
As I keep saying, take some accountability, you guys all shout and scream for a royal commission and a new start but can never admit how badly PAOK has F***ed themselves and Greek Soccer world wide!
At least you admit PAOK should be punished
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On 3/12/2018 at 3:31 AM, Klaous said:
Yes, you are absolutely right in that the Greek league is indeed a circus. And of course, it would be much better if Greece had the same standards and the same mentality that Canada has. Well, at least if you like Greece to become more orderly that is, since some do prefer the Balkanic mentality and do not want that Greece becomes more westernized. If we had every season a fair competition without any violence, hate and θέατρο etc pp. and just could focus on the sport we love to see. This would be indeed much more enjoyable I think.
However, I do not believe that Greece is able to pull that off and become a more civilized country. Maybe things are going to be better in the future, but I would not bet on that. Greek society needs to change its mentality in order to solve the majority of issues this country is dealing with right now. Regarding football, away fans are not even allowed in stadiums anymore, because we could actually have some bloodbaths there. This is not the standard of a western country. We are a Zougla compared to countries like Canada, seeing how much hate there is. I mean, yes, I dislike Olympiakos and its practices for example, but I would not want to harm any Olympiakos fan or team member physically because of that, though some people in Greece have a different view about this and prefer to have επεισόδια. Those are the ones who should not be allowed entry into the stadiums anymore. And I am not only talking about PAOKtsides here, the fans of all the other Greek clubs have a lot of troublemakers as well. I'd say that hate and violence is the main problem in Greek football.
Of course some will now say that corruption is also an issue, but considering this season, I think the situation has become much more even in comparison to the last 20 years. Although, I do not know how the situation in the lower leagues is.
This is a great post, I agree, it's just not in their culture... for who knows how long its been madness in Greece, I read somewhere this morning and I can not find it but the anarchist mentality has truly got the better of Greece.
Call me crazy but I have always said, they're better off having people from abroad running the League, professionals from US, UK, Canada or Australia, Omogenis and if possible remove the corrupt owners who pull the check book or what not. Something needs to change once and for all
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3 hours ago, Blackhawk said:
The season was going good because there was a change in the EPO leadership, which was not controlled by Olympiakos as in the past. As a result Superleague became competitive and other teams finally had a good chance of contending for the title. Seeing that they lost control they decided to sabotage the whole thing.
The two biggest issues have come from Toumba though... how is Olympiakos responsible for sabotaging the whole thing?
I am just curious how you guys keep pointing the finger at others.
The game vs Olympiakos did not happen because of one PAOK fan, it was then dealt with horribly, and we know the reff stuffed it but but you did get the 3 points back which IMO may have cause some of the reason this happened vs AEK.
In the game vs AEK the match did not finish because the PAOK chairman invaded the pitch carrying a gun on him and threatened the reff and Dimitriadis
Your fans for the most part have been very good in all this which is a positive and I hope FIFA, UEFA & EPO look at the real instigators in this, which is a shame the well behaved fans are all getting punished now - as usually happens in Greece
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1 hour ago, aekaraCLE said:
What is everyone missing here? Let's not even mention the gun; what the hell is an owner of a major team even doing on the field, during the game?! People, open up your eyes. This crap doesn't happen anywhere. His butt should have been in the owners box. The moment he made it about himself is when he screwed the team, the fans, and Greek football!
PAOK does no wrong to some here file. It’s just propaganda against PAOK, everyone else is to blame
Respect to the few PAOK guys that can actually see what’s happened and not lying to themselves. This has only gone viral around the world but no... PAOK is the innocent party in this forum for many lol!!
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8 hours ago, La Mendel said:
Yes he was, and we have a lot of Kolovos now (Limnios, Manthatis, Androutsos and so on).
Interesting picks.
Limnios needs a lot of work still. Manthatis, I actually liked what I saw of him at OSFP, haven’t seen much of him at PAS.
Need to see more of Androutsos, I see Ninis in him so I hope he makes the right decisions
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I always thought Kolovos was overrated
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You're a great poster file but your accounts of what happened are heavily PAOK influenced in your favor.
What Michel and Savvidis did was threaten Kominis, with his life and his job, "AEK claiming they were afraid if Savvidis" yeah ok, you conveniently leave out that Savvidis had a gun on him! Yeah a friken gun man!
Guess what, if Savvidis does not come marching on the field with a gun & threatening people the game continues so the ones that need to be punished, and probly will be is PAOK.
It is very messed up but FOR ONCE look at your club and how you guys are acting! You have effectively brought the game into dispute 3 weeks straight now and have hurt yourself and the Greek game in general.
The referee was in tears after the game and didn't want to referee another game again... don't look away to what Savvidis has done today, it wont go away.
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So Savvidis caused the abandonment of the match - I don't think you guys can be too angry about that.
I just don't get why they gave the goal, then said it was offside, and were going to award it afterwards... incompetence.
But like I said before and sorry if you guys don't like it, your club needs to mature and get smarter, this violence and craziness does not belong in today's world.
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6 minutes ago, paokarag4 said:
It took the ref 5 mins to speak to linesman, he needed to start dishing out yellows to the players who wouldn't F*** off and let them communicate. A few would have been 2nd yellows for both sides then watch how the rest of them would have cleared off. But no instead he lets them keep approaching and it opens the door for this sort of chaos.
I was cringing the whole time this was happening
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Looks like the league will be suspended for 20 days and UEFA will get involved too
Friendly: Greece - Switzerland (23 March 2018, OAKA , Athens)
in Greek National Teams
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Big chance this game will change venue