J1078
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^ yes they need to lose one game but that means we need to win every game if they only lose one which is highly unlikely. Realistically I see us winning 3 games (hopefully) plus one tie and one lose which puts us at 12points total, which would mean Hungary would only need 5 points out of 15 which would put them at 13points, when you look at it this way it's almost impossible for Hungary not to qualify.
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As far as Holebas goes, I don't think the guy did anything wrong he was injured what do you want the guy to do, when ever he played for the NT he showed heart and played his best in my opinion, as far as I'm concerned Kargounis is a selfish little bitch that should have no say on who plays that's Makaranians job. Kargounis puts his friendships and loyalties instead of what's best for the team. Kargounis being hired for this role is the worst thing that happened to the NT.
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I get what you are saying but realistically if Romania win this weekend then they might not field there best line up when it comes to the Hungary game, and Honestly I think Romania would love some pay back against us for knocking them out of the World Cup , and to be the team the can pretty much knock us out of the Euro if they beat us. In saying that in order for us to still be alive after this weekend we need to close the 6 point gap, wether it's 3 points or 4 points behind Hungary but we can't be 6 points after this weekend.
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Here's the problem as far as Hungary is concerned, they have Romania at home which I can totally see them tie, as far as the game this weekend against Finland, Hungary has dominated them, Finland has a horrible record against Hungary so to be honest I see Hungary getting the 3 points. I can't see Hungary losing more then one game and in the mean time it can't see us winning all 5 maybe 3 at best. And I'm actually worried about this game there's no guarantee we are going to win this game either but even if we do I still think when it's all said and done after this weekend we will still probably be 6 points at best 4 behind Hungary with one less game to play.
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It's on sports net now, it's not on television. I subscribe to sports net now, you can do it on a month to month basis, when you do it this way it's not bad in price.
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Hey guys does every third place team get into a playoff or is the worst third place team automatically eliminated? I agree that on paper I think we are by far the best team in this group but unfortunately I'm worried it's a little to late, even Hungary smells blood now and will be trying to get 2nd place so I can't see them dropping to many points, they even tied Romania in Romania and now face them at home where I think the can defiantly pull of a tie, I can't see Finland beating them either. But regardless we have to take it one game at a time and hope for Hungary to somehow stumble. To be honest I think the only way we have a shot to get 3rd is by running the table and winning every game from here on in any dropped points and we are done.
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Greece in my opinion is finished, Karagounis is selfish, we need goals we don't need kats or vyntra And tziolis??? Really?? Is Segio turning into a yes man? Without xolebas we might barley sneak by Faroe which even that will be difficult but going forward we are finished, I do like Ninis/fortounis/fetfa on a positive note. Wtf is the issue with xolebas? We need him if we are serious about making a miracle run to try and get 3rd.
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^ that would be ideal, I still don't want to look ahead I only want to focus on the Faroe Islands because I don't think it's going to be an easy victory, are we do for a win yes are we do to score yes, but The Faroe Islands have kept every game close, and honestly by no means is this going to be a cake walk, I'm actually worried about this game, at this point I don't think we should be looking ahead, we need to focus one game at a time and try to crawl back into this some how, but I do agree with you were it would be great to be all square after two games
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If Kargagounis has a say and it turns out that he in fact leaves Holebas out then any respect I had for the guy is out the window he will be a selfish piece of s%$#! in my mind, Yes he was a leader and a warrior for us and guys would lean on his leader ship but he always was a selfish player and honestly he was good but he wasn't a world class talent by any means. Makaranian and Kargounis have to put the best possible players at each position and that includes Holebas.
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Wtf, you might not care if Holebas isn't in but he is our best player at his position he can be very dynamic with his speed at times, now in saying that we need to keep our back end the exact same and the only changes that need to be made are, Klaus, Kats, Samaris, and Lazaro's, don't start experimenting right now do that in the friendlies, we need to win this game or we are dead as far as the euros,
Even though I'm not a huge fan I think Mitroglou needs to be in there and Ninis would be good with his creativity alongside Fetfa, is Samaras not an option? If he is I'd like to see him in there as well.
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Why do you think any striker would do? If that was the case then why didn't we score on them at home when they beat us 1-0 in GREECE? We have to approach this game with a different attitude not the attitude that any striker will do or any system will do or that the 3 points are in the bag. If we have the mentality we are toast.. I'm not saying the Islands are a good team but either are we right now, the Islands put a scare against Romania and have kept almost every game within one goal, we need guys that can score because honestly I don't have any confidence in any of our forwards right now. Even though Raneri sucked the bag with us we still should have had enough talent to score a damn Goal against sub par teams which we obviously couldn't, even when Makaranian coached the last game yes we looked much more organized but guess what news flash we couldn't score a goal either, so I'm sorry I'm not trying to rag on you but when you say we should be able to win 5-0 I shake my head thinking let's be happy we score one and shut it down on defense.
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As we get closer to this game I find myself getting a little more nervous and then I have to slap myself and say if we can't get 3 points and dominate this match then I don't want to see this team in the Euros they definitely won't deserve it so I would rather save us the embarrassment. Bottom line get 3 points or Shut up and change your entire soccer system. I don't want any excuses after this match like we dominated or we hit 4 posts or they parked the bus, the excuses stop right now show up and win or shut the F*** up and finish last.
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^ Even though chances are slim we do still have a small chance, but we cannot drop anymore points pretty much all wins from here on in. if we don't get 3 points against the Islands who will park the bus and play for the tie we are finished.
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right....and ranieri selected karelis, mavrias and mandalos because he rated them over fetfa, kone and lazaros. ranieri also selected tziolis because it's clear he rated him over kpaps. all those key players injured, but available for markarian.
in fact, salpi was so poor against romania that karelis got a start away and scored on his debut.
again, i ask...whom was ranieri to select and whom to start with all the injuries?
we are all gutted, but it's not the first time greek NT footballers fell on their faces attempting to go from strength to strength.
1980 euro. positive preformances. failed to qualifiy for 1982 wc.
1994 wc. new blood brought in after disasterous preformances. failed to qualify for euro 1996.
2004 euro. winners. failed to qualify for 2006 wc.
the other problem is the chronic hurdle of late summer qualifiers that iordanescu tried to address in the late 1990s. ranieri mentioned this before the romania match and the self-fulfilling prophecy of doom didn't disappoint.
4 matches, match #1 players' fitness a joke. going forward, injuries to key attacking components. i understand ranieri staying was not tenable, but i don't blame him and 4 matches doesn't paint any picture. if he did indeed lose the dressing room, ask the players why they didn't play for a captain they voted in themselves.
You have SOME valid points but in all fairness I don't give a s%$#! who you are if you get so badly out played against bottom feeder teams and lose at HOME against the Faroe Islands you need to lose your job because there is clearly a problem, Yes he had injuries but that's not an excuse he should have been able to beat the Faroe Islands with our B line up. He tried to change to much to fast our system was all over the place, guys looked lost out there and out of position there was clearly no game plan and if there was the coach should of recognized it right away and changed it up. Yes the players are to blame as well I'm not giving them a pass but it's the coaches responsibility to recognize problems and fix them not make them worse. In my opinion we are in the predicament where are in because of Raneri system and lack of recognizing knowledge recognizing his system didn't work for us. 70% Raneri's fault and 30% players in my opinion. The only mistake we made was waiting until the Faroe game to get rid of his ASS.right....and ranieri selected karelis, mavrias and mandalos because he rated them over fetfa, kone and lazaros. ranieri also selected tziolis because it's clear he rated him over kpaps. all those key players injured, but available for markarian.
in fact, salpi was so poor against romania that karelis got a start away and scored on his debut.
again, i ask...whom was ranieri to select and whom to start with all the injuries?
we are all gutted, but it's not the first time greek NT footballers fell on their faces attempting to go from strength to strength.
1980 euro. positive preformances. failed to qualifiy for 1982 wc.
1994 wc. new blood brought in after disasterous preformances. failed to qualify for euro 1996.
2004 euro. winners. failed to qualify for 2006 wc.
the other problem is the chronic hurdle of late summer qualifiers that iordanescu tried to address in the late 1990s. ranieri mentioned this before the romania match and the self-fulfilling prophecy of doom didn't disappoint.
4 matches, match #1 players' fitness a joke. going forward, injuries to key attacking components. i understand ranieri staying was not tenable, but i don't blame him and 4 matches doesn't paint any picture. if he did indeed lose the dressing room, ask the players why they didn't play for a captain they voted in themselves.
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^ I think the more concerning questions to ask is why the hell are you wearing "skinny jeans"
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^ Wtf lol, I see how that could side track you...
I agree with Chris that it seems like we need multiple chances to score and all the other teams capitalize on one or two chances which does put us at a disadvantage and that is because we are not use to dominating matches with possession we get nervous when we have the ball in an attacking situation, but let's not forget it use to be the other way around and I'm not talking about playing minnows either this goes back a long ways where Greece would get dominated and then finally after a counter or a set piece we would find a way to score, for example when we beat Russia in the Euros 1-0 they dominated us, or when we beat the Czech Republic at the Euro 2004 same thing, and there have been many examples like this. We were always the team to sit back and get dominated and then find a way to score on the few chances we've had the entire match.
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Honestly after the way they've played I should have no confidence and faith that they can pull this off but for some reason I think they're going to sneak in. I deserve to get blasted from you guys for my stupid optimism.
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^ I would normally agree with you but I'm pretty sure Romania would love to be the team that officially eliminates Greece from the Euro just as a pay back for us doing that to them for the World Cup.
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Greece predictions
Faore islands 0 Greece 2
Greece 1 Finland 0
Romania 1 Greece 1
Northern Ireland 0 Greece 1
Greece 2 Hungary 1
* Secure 3rd place
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So by your guys comments i would assume you're saying we won't beat Faoroe Islands?
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Honestly even though I liked Santos I don't think he gave Ninis a fair shot at becoming a regular for the Ethniki, if you know the kid has potential you need give him some time, you can't play him like a yo yo and dress him for one game and sit him for 4 and so on. I think if we were patient with him in regards to the national team he could of become an important piece on the national team, I'm not saying it's to late for Ninis but we have a habit of giving up on kids very early before they actually develop.
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Chris I agree now is not the time to experiment put down your best possible line up and experiment with guys in the friendly.
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If Mitroglou is healthy would you guys start him?? I think I would in the Faroe game
Faroe Islands-Greece(13 June 2015, Torsvollur, Torshavn)
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I'm not questioning the guys talent or heart or work horse effort, he was a soldier for us, and yes with out him there would be lots of games we wouldn't win that is fine. What I'm saying is why was he immediately offered this position as soon as he retires and what influence does he have on choosing players?? Let's be realistic guys the guy has build solid friendships with some of these guys and I'm sure he considers some of them family, of course he is going to play favorites with some of these guys and show his loyalty to them over the better of the team in some instances, he was playing with these guys last summer and now you think he's not going to push for some of them to be on the team even though they don't deserve to be?? Of course he is.