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I was just thinking how if there's any time we can sneak away with a result against Germany, this might be it - before Klopp gets his game properly instilled in a German team that's probably still reeling after the cup. We'll see!

If and big if. We can shock everyone and squeak out a win, our Serbian brothers tie the Dutch… we can realistically be in a position to not just secure top 3 in the group, but maybe even compete in this Nations League tournament! Yea yea all we did was beat Serbia but in the last 15 yrs that game would have ended in a tie or loss for us 99% of the time. I am choosing to be hopeful again. The Dutch and the Germans are both not at their best. Klopp will need some time to get his culture into the program. Who’s to say we can’t finish second in this group and leap frog one of them? PAME