Guest Protathlitis7 Posted February 1, 2006 Share Posted February 1, 2006 I read in the paper that Gagatsis (Im sorry I couldnt find a link) has had some firm words Otto because he is spending all his time in Germany and perceives hes not doing enough work with the naitonal team. apparently he claims that if we didnt got to saudi arabia the team would have had no playing time together at all and Otto would have never left Germany. Apparently Otto also asked if he could coach Cologne to save them from relegation until the end of the season Im worried about Otto these days after he has a shocking WC qualifying campaign IMO. No doubt we should progress from our group but Im not sure with Otto and what he could acheive in 2008 Hopefully there are many changed to be made still. Imagine is Samaras is still not called up and he just became one of the most highly paid Greek players ever :blink: . Amanatidis, Lagos, Tziolis, Kyriakos, Tavlaridis all need to be brought in to the team on a permanent basis Zagorakis will be playing his last game against Australia and we will give him a proper send off Basinas, Anatolakis, Fyssas, Vryzas should not be in the squad as we should only be thinking baout euro 2008 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dark_horse Posted February 1, 2006 Share Posted February 1, 2006 I want Fyssas to stay, please do get rid of VRYZAS! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Protathlitis7 Posted February 1, 2006 Share Posted February 1, 2006 Fyssas is pretty old dude. I think hes like 33 which means he'll be 35/36 at euro. even now he is not playing well As luck would have it we have a quality player in Lagos to play left back .............................Antonakis.................................... Seitaridis...........Dellas.........Kyriakos/ Tavlaridis.............Lagos Karagounis.........Katsouranis.......????.............Giannakopoulos .......................Samaras.........Charisteas/amanatidis/Salp/pap/mantzios Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightsurfer Posted February 1, 2006 Share Posted February 1, 2006 aek66 When we won in Spain, Stelios played also on the left side and he even scored..... I think, I m not sure though, he played also in Portugal mostly in the left side... My opinion is, we did not qualify... because .. the guys were not anymore hungry..., lack of practice in September As we never were a high standard team from the playing culture, we needed to have always this extra drive... but winning the Euro in Portugal... , all lot of motivation was off... Also a player like Tsiartas in his good days.. helped always the team... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kostaras Posted February 1, 2006 Share Posted February 1, 2006 Dellas ,kyriakos and Taylaridis are not very quick players,we need someone that can run,like Kapsis or Katsouranis at that position.Right now we have no playmaker,Karagounis isn't playing with his team .We need a left back also.For the next 6 months the team should be: Nikopolidis Seitaridis or Kapsis fyssas Mayrogenidis Kyriakos Basinas Giannakopoylos Katsouranis Karagounis or Lagos Charisteas Samaras or Salpiggidis Mantzios Bench:Bryzas,Papadopoulos,Koklonis,lakis,Dellas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aek21 Posted February 1, 2006 Share Posted February 1, 2006 We can't lose Zagorakis, we don't have anyone at the moment who can replace him and when the team plays without him they play terrible. I really hope he reconsiders. I remember this one time, before euro 04 Greece played the Dutch. They lost 4-0. All the goals came in the second half, all of them after Zagorakis was subbed off. I'm afraid that if he goes, this will happen again. I think kapsis is still able to run in the CB position, he is consistent and he does a bang up job on covering some dangerous players, he was great against shevchenko. As far as Vryzas goes, he's still good. He has proven himself consistently in many leagues and against great opposition. Greece in essence has had problems scoring, but I hardly think guys like Salpiggidis will solve our problems, atleast not instantly. Mantzios, Pap and Salp all should have scored during the LG cup. But once Otto finds a way to get those guys to play at their optimal level we might see some goals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morphi Posted February 1, 2006 Share Posted February 1, 2006 Dellas ,kyriakos and Taylaridis are not very quick players,we need someone that can run They are defensers in teams that play in European cups every season. What other proofs do you need? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loup Posted February 2, 2006 Share Posted February 2, 2006 Aek66 is bang on - about left footers I don't think we can come close to replacing Zagorakis - he was special - look at how poor we play with him playing at his current level - so we must improve other ways and by having more balance from left to right can be a huge plus Fyssas - may still be able to play I haven't seen him in Scotland but he is a wiley vet Then there is Darlas =- Lagos and Leonitou all 22 or younger - one of them will pan out Everyone want youth well this is a younger - well at least a mix of young - but feasible 11 - plus ages Nikopolidis 34 Giorkas -24 Dellas - 30 Antzas 29 Darlas 22 Basinas 30 Katsouranis 26 Lagos 20 Stelios -31 Charisteas -25 Samaras -20 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Protathlitis7 Posted February 2, 2006 Share Posted February 2, 2006 I agree we have a problem aek66 but Stelios has been one of our best performances since the last euro qualifiyers and he has always played on the left. so if he plays on the left we will get a 3rd fourth play finish :la: it doesnt matter the exact position from which he scored against spain. I would rather play Karagounis where I put those question marks but I dont see another option. I really think if Fyssas plays in euro 2008 we are pretty much farked Can you imagine him trying to defend and even go past the half way line at euro? He was a great left back and had the tournament of his life at euro 2004. but this will be 2008 my freind You are right though this would be the ideal midfield Stelios....Katsouranis.....Karagounis.....Lagos but who is the left back... ...and dont say Fyssas please :P Maybe Darlas, he is not good enough right now but I guess by the time of the tournament he could have tuned himself to be good enough. btw, Leontiou will play for Cyprus not Greece wont he??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Protathlitis7 Posted February 2, 2006 Share Posted February 2, 2006 stelios may have started on the left, but he is very uneffective on the left. stelios was injured in portugal...his only effective match was against czech, :blink: :blink: are you serious? Stelios wasnt effective at euro? only against the czechs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IRAKLIS Posted February 2, 2006 Share Posted February 2, 2006 Only old players worth possibly keeping around until euro 2008/qualifying provided they maintain a form which is acceptable are Giannakopoulos, Karagounis, Dellas, and Nikopolidis By the way Nikopolidis is still the best Greek keeper, currently most of our goalies except for Kotsolis are not experienced enough, and for the most part goalies dont hit there peaks until the age of 28 and are good till there mid 30's look at Schmikael, Kahn, Canizarez, Toldo etc ( these are top keepers who played until there mid to late 30's and were still good). Any way from out euro 2004 team this is who i think should be dropped and added Nikopolidis- in Chalkias out- Kotsolis in Katergiannakis out- Sifakis or Abaris in Kapsis out- Tavlaridis in goumas out- Kyriakos in Venetidis out- Taralidis in Fyssas out- ?????Vyntra ( even though he is a RB still a solid young player) Seitaridis in Katsouranis in Karagounis in Giannakopoulos in Zagorakis out- Tziolis in Tsartas out- Leontiou in Kafes out- Fotakis in Georgiadis out- Skopelitis in Lakis out- Lagos in Charisteas out- Sammras in Vyrzas out- Mantzios in Nikolaidis out(retired)- Amanatidis in Papadopoulos or Salpiggidis In addition these young players are starting to get more playing time now, and are being looked at in high regard by european clubs. All we are missing is a solid #10... maybe fotakis can fill that void as a play maker? what do you guys think? PS potential 11ada Euro 08 qual Nikopolidis Giourkas(Vyntra) Dellas(Tavlari) Kyriakos Taralidis Giannakopoulos Karagounis(Fotakis or Skop)Katsouranis(tziolis) Lagos(Leontiou) Sammaras Mantzios Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Protathlitis7 Posted February 2, 2006 Share Posted February 2, 2006 Skopelitis is really nothing special at all even though he plays abroad and everything. he should not be called Also am I wrong about Leontiou?? will he play for Greece proper? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DUDE Posted February 2, 2006 Share Posted February 2, 2006 I read in the paper that Gagatsis (Im sorry I couldnt find a link) has had some firm words Otto because he is spending all his time in Germany and perceives hes not doing enough work with the naitonal team. apparently he claims that if we didnt got to saudi arabia the team would have had no playing time together at all and Otto would have never left Germany. Apparently Otto also asked if he could coach Cologne to save them from relegation until the end of the season Im worried about Otto these days after he has a shocking WC qualifying campaign IMO. No doubt we should progress from our group but Im not sure with Otto and what he could acheive in 2008 Hopefully there are many changed to be made still. Imagine is Samaras is still not called up and he just became one of the most highly paid Greek players ever :blink: . Amanatidis, Lagos, Tziolis, Kyriakos, Tavlaridis all need to be brought in to the team on a permanent basis Zagorakis will be playing his last game against Australia and we will give him a proper send off Basinas, Anatolakis, Fyssas, Vryzas should not be in the squad as we should only be thinking baout euro 2008 I cannot believe people want Basinas out! He has made mistakes against Ukraine and Kazak but he was being played out of position! He works hard, wins so many challenges in important areas of the field, he can pass, and has a great shot from distance (which he doesn't use enough). I'm an Olympiakos fan and I'm saying this! BASINAS IS ONE OF OUR BETTER PLAYS AND HE SHOULD BE IN THE TEAM! :gr: :gr: :gr: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DUDE Posted February 2, 2006 Share Posted February 2, 2006 Hi everyone. ---------------------------Nikopilidis---------------------- Seitaridis---------Katsouranis--------Dellas--------Fyssas Stelios-------------Basinas--------Karagounis-------Lagos -------------------Charisteas--------Salpingidis--------- Samaras still has to prove his worth He's only scored 25 goals in 88 games in Holland. He has to prove his worth in the Prem before he can play at international level! If he does this before the end of the season then he should go in for Salp. Another option would be to play Stelios up front with Kafes going in on the right! All the talk about Tavlidis, Tzolis, etc. Is dumbfounded, they are not good enough yet for international football! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightsurfer Posted February 2, 2006 Share Posted February 2, 2006 aek66 I agree with you that Stelios, would had have a better impact on the right side, no doubt..... But I don't think that this was the reason for failing to qualify...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loup Posted February 2, 2006 Share Posted February 2, 2006 re Basinas not doubt he will be a valued member of the next 2 years - maybe even captain I agree with AEK66 Stelios was not too much of a factor - except vs Czech But I think that is good news - what we lost offensively with retirements and departures can be filled partly by this guy who has been one of the best wingers in England - if not the best Let him play on the right!!!!! So he can kick some ass and play as well as he possibly can Up front there are a lot of young guns - and on the good side only 1 or 2 have stand up - I think Charisteas will stillbe a huge part of the team the key will be finding the player(s) that ech best with him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loup Posted February 2, 2006 Share Posted February 2, 2006 Leonitou has played for Greece at the U-21 level - so I see thatc ontinuing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOLLYWOOD Posted February 3, 2006 Share Posted February 3, 2006 Any way from out euro 2004 team this is who i think should be dropped and added Nikopolidis- in Chalkias out- Kotsolis in Katergiannakis out- Sifakis or Abaris in Kapsis out- Tavlaridis in goumas out- Kyriakos in Venetidis out- Dellas in Fyssas out- ?????Vyntra ( even though he is a RB still a solid young player) Seitaridis in Katsouranis in Karagounis in Giannakopoulos in Zagorakis out- Tziolis in Tsartas out- Leontiou in Kafes out- Fotakis in Georgiadis out- Skopelitis in Lakis out- Lagos in Charisteas out- Sammras in Vyrzas out- Mantzios in Nikolaidis out(retired)- Amanatidis in Papadopoulos or Salpiggidis PS potential 11ada Euro 08 qual Nikopolidis Giourkas(Vyntra) Dellas(Tavlari) Kyriakos Taralidis Giannakopoulos Karagounis(Fotakis or Skop)Katsouranis(tziolis) Lagos(Leontiou) Sammaras Mantzios This is what i think: (adjustments done in Bold)Nikopolidis- in Chalkias out- Kotsolis in Katergiannakis out- Sifakis Kapsis out- Tavlaridis in goumas out- Kyriakos in Venetidis out- Dellas in Fyssas/Darlas both in Seitaridis in Katsouranis in Karagounis in Giannakopoulos in Zagorakis out- Tziolis in Tsartas out- Leontiou in Kafes out Stoltidis in Georgiadis out Lagos in Lakis out- Basinas (his 29 years old with a club now) in Charisteas in Sammras in Vyrzas out- Mantzios in Amanatidis in Salpiggidis in PS potential 11ada Euro 08 qual Nikopolidis Giourkas(Vyntra) Tavlaridis(Dellas) Kyriakos Fyssas/Darlas Giannakopoulos Karagounis(Stoltidis) Katsouranis(tziolis/Basinas) Lagos(Leontiou) Sammaras/Amanatidis Mantzios :gr: :gr: :gr: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrpopodopolous Posted February 9, 2006 Share Posted February 9, 2006 Well, my team would be:- Kotsolis Darkas Vyntra Tavlaridis Seitiradis Tziolis Salpigidis Theodoris lagos Gekas Amantaids Subs:- Sifakis,Krygiakos, Katsouranis, Samaras, Papadopolous. And, it would be a 4-1-2-1-2, with 4 defenders, 1 DM, 2 wingwers and 1 CAM and obviously 2 strikers. The average age of this squad would be pretty young. The total age of the team is 248, which makes an average of 248/11=22.5454545454545455. That is looking ahead to the future. And, you definitely need to be more attacking as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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