NikosVazelas Posted July 31, 2007 Share Posted July 31, 2007 zelao played in all 16 games so far this season for Cor. and has been subbed for a total of 15mins. with our luck, we will sign him and after the first half of his first game he will tear a quadricep and be gone for the year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DUDE Posted July 31, 2007 Share Posted July 31, 2007 because as osfp proved, old folks do NOTHING in EUROPE. isnt that the goal? Oly didnt have quality throughout though. Quality is more important. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DUDE Posted July 31, 2007 Share Posted July 31, 2007 MATTOS ,, freddy adu is not african so i dont know how good of a scout ud be. BESIDES, EVERYONE KNOWS freddy adu Well he's Ghanian/American so technically he could pass as African. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NikosVazelas Posted July 31, 2007 Share Posted July 31, 2007 and castillo is mexican urugauyan greek but he plays for mexico. freddy adu plays for the us. hence, an american. and DUDE, honestly i like you, i think ur fantastic to argue with because u bring up great points many times, but YOU were the one that went on and on and on and on about the quality of osfp like castillo rivaldo okkas tzole. i always said they needed younger bettter players for ONE reason. YES u can get someone that is 31 or 32. but the problem with that is u will need to replace him every two or three years. so that way ur always tryin to rebuild ur team. Even the biggest teams get players when they are young talents. Sure u can buy older players. im not saying its bad. but what i mean is that if u want ur foundation to last, u gotta use permanent quality cement. look at osfp, tzole georgatos and castillo were on this tea. for a years. they r the backbone. u rely on them. or relied anyway. if u get dudes liek kovacevic. sure he can score or whatever. but in two years, when he turns 126, u will have to replace him. in any sport u build with youth. the veterans, experienced players come in tro shape and mold ur youth to take over. but if u keep gettin veterans, ur youth will never flourish. i.e. taralidis, pappas and many others. u have this kid Matsoukas now. he is 17. 1.85 and even scored a preseason goal. Play him re gamoto. im not saying play him every game the way pao did ninis. but play him. at least 3 or 4 times every 10 games. even if for 15 minutes. i deont care what anyone says. 20 minutes is still 20 minutes. or even start him once and let him play 90 against say...i dont know levadiakos. ( sorry levad fans) get him in there. u never know. besides if u play more youth, the way pao has the last 10 years, u have more of a chance to sell them when they turn 25 and make money that can help you in the transfer department. thats all. but i do see ur point. one more thing. in all honesty DUDE, thios question is for you. i know its early but can u give me ur opinion of who will finish 1st 2nd and third in the superleague this year. between aek pao and osfp. later skaters Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MATTOS13 Posted July 31, 2007 Share Posted July 31, 2007 yo dude i know that freddy is african cause he was born in ghana!!!i believe at the age of 8 he went to america because his mother won the green card lottery!!!!My Webpage even if he plays for america he is still an african boy!!! i heard that zelao is close at the price of €1,5m!!!!so adu costs 1,4 and zelao 1,5!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DUDE Posted July 31, 2007 Share Posted July 31, 2007 and castillo is mexican urugauyan greek but he plays for mexico. freddy adu plays for the us. hence, an american. and DUDE, honestly i like you, i think ur fantastic to argue with because u bring up great points many times, but YOU were the one that went on and on and on and on about the quality of osfp like castillo rivaldo okkas tzole. i always said they needed younger bettter players for ONE reason. YES u can get someone that is 31 or 32. but the problem with that is u will need to replace him every two or three years. so that way ur always tryin to rebuild ur team. Even the biggest teams get players when they are young talents. Sure u can buy older players. im not saying its bad. but what i mean is that if u want ur foundation to last, u gotta use permanent quality cement. look at osfp, tzole georgatos and castillo were on this tea. for a years. they r the backbone. u rely on them. or relied anyway. if u get dudes liek kovacevic. sure he can score or whatever. but in two years, when he turns 126, u will have to replace him. in any sport u build with youth. the veterans, experienced players come in tro shape and mold ur youth to take over. but if u keep gettin veterans, ur youth will never flourish. i.e. taralidis, pappas and many others. u have this kid Matsoukas now. he is 17. 1.85 and even scored a preseason goal. Play him re gamoto. im not saying play him every game the way pao did ninis. but play him. at least 3 or 4 times every 10 games. even if for 15 minutes. i deont care what anyone says. 20 minutes is still 20 minutes. or even start him once and let him play 90 against say...i dont know levadiakos. ( sorry levad fans) get him in there. u never know. besides if u play more youth, the way pao has the last 10 years, u have more of a chance to sell them when they turn 25 and make money that can help you in the transfer department. thats all. but i do see ur point. one more thing. in all honesty DUDE, thios question is for you. i know its early but can u give me ur opinion of who will finish 1st 2nd and third in the superleague this year. between aek pao and osfp. later skaters File mou I'm not criticising PAO for going with youth, its a good thing. But I'm saying are they good now or potentially? If they will be good players in 3-4 years then forget it, they are useless imo. Whereas if they are good players now and potentially excellent then its great. Will they win the league this year? Because if not they cant be that good because Oly have gone to s%$#!!As for quality, yes I still think highly of players like Ribo, Djole & Okkas (certainly for the Greek league) but I always said more quality was needed for Europe. Also, Oly had good players in Castillo, Ribo, Djole, etc, but players like Georgatos, Domi, Anatolakis, Nikopolidis, etc, are old and s%$#!, the worst combination!!! :P Young and s%$#! is bad, but old and s%$#! is suicidal in Europe :P Seriously though, to put my philosophy simply, in the short term proven and established talent is better than potential talent. For example, potentially the Greece u-19 side is great while the Greek NT side is old and struggling but if they played eachother the 1st NT team would win, right? For the long term I'd rather have the u-19 players for example. Hence, last season I'd have preferred Oly's players than PAO's for the future I'd prefer PAO's. HOWEVER, Greek teams cant hold on to their young talents. Young players like Ninis are POTENTIALLY amazing, but will PAO still have him when he reaches that level?? If not then you only have him while he is potentially great, while Oly would established players, in which case I'd rather established players. Now the examples are out of the way, I believe this years AEK will be last year Oly. And they are my favs for the league, while Oly have completely gone to s%$#!... so, if PAO have very good players NOW, you could win the league, whereas if the team still has potentially good players, i.e. they are average now, you'll finish 3rd again. I dont know too much about the players PAO have bought so I'm merely asking you guys, are they established young players that can win the league now and become great players, or are they average players with the potential to become very good. Because if its the latter that's not good enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NikosVazelas Posted July 31, 2007 Share Posted July 31, 2007 i understand where u r going with all that and i agree... partially. all im saying is that, unlike what oly has done in recent years, is GET the young talent and USE them ALONG WITH the older experienced guys. For example. Ninis, Ndoye,Mantzios,Ivan,Mattos and Tziolis are young talents. But we have surrounded them with players liek Karagounis,Eki, Salpi and Pap that could help them mature and become great. And as for defence, why i have been saying that pao shoiuld get young talent that could help eventually is because we have morris goumas nilsson and seric that can help them become better players. they have time to mature I want what osfp did 12 years ago. they got tzole giannakopoulos anatolakis and georgatos and put them with older players and helped them become great. If i remember correctly, Bajevic would bench Stelios like every 3rd game everytime he did a hazamara and eventually he learned from his mistakes and became a great player. im not sayin have ur startin 11 be no older then 22. im sayin have the younger players surrounded by older experienced players that can help them all grow older together and become a dynasty liek osfp did. as for pao this year. I think Mattos is the biggest signing because he sems like a guy who can play alone at DM like a stoltidis which can then allow the oither 3 midfielders push forward and score more goals which was paos problem last year. Our defence has to tighten but as of now, i think we hold the best goalie midfield and strike team in greece. our D is questionable but if they can gel who knows what can happen. From recent reports it seems that Peseiro is looking at Ndoye as a possible CF which then turns everything around. And if Mantzios can step up his game a bit, u never know. one more possible CB addition might help this team achieve great success this year or next year. im not contradicting u in that old players are s%$#!. im saying that u need young talent for the future. in the last 7 years, osfp got rid of younger players and kept all the old ones and they have now reached the ``shittiness`` u talk about Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsalgik Posted August 1, 2007 Share Posted August 1, 2007 Matos re trele ti scout mas les?(to trele to leo haideytika,tropos tou legein mou)Ton Adu ton xerei i Yfilios apo tote pou itan 14 hrono.Ton theorousan to megalytero talento tou kosmou.O typos entometaxy einai metaxy erasitehni kai epagelmatia.Katarhin otan trehei me tin mpala to kefali tou einai kato kai koitaei tin mpala.De xero ti mpala ixere sta 14 tou alla sigouura tin xehase stin Ameriki..I apla den itan ayto pou oloi pistevan. Entometaxy ego pistevo oti otan kapoios apofasizei na antiprosopeysei ena kratos,taytohrona simainei oti einai apo ekeino to kratos pou antiprosopeyei,den paei na einai kai apo tin selini... Polloi vevaia to kanoun giati xeroun oti den tha paixoun pote stin ethniki omada tis horas tous kai einai filodoxoi.Opos o Mauro German Camoranesi pou ton anthropo ton rotisan giati den tragoudaei ton ethniko ymno tis italias prin apo kana 2 hronia kai apantise oti den einai o dikos tou!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MATTOS13 Posted August 1, 2007 Share Posted August 1, 2007 Matos re trele ti scout mas les?(to trele to leo haideytika,tropos tou legein mou)Ton Adu ton xerei i Yfilios apo tote pou itan 14 hrono.Ton theorousan to megalytero talento tou kosmou.O typos entometaxy einai metaxy erasitehni kai epagelmatia.Katarhin otan trehei me tin mpala to kefali tou einai kato kai koitaei tin mpala.De xero ti mpala ixere sta 14 tou alla sigouura tin xehase stin Ameriki..I apla den itan ayto pou oloi pistevan. Entometaxy ego pistevo oti otan kapoios apofasizei na antiprosopeysei ena kratos,taytohrona simainei oti einai apo ekeino to kratos pou antiprosopeyei,den paei na einai kai apo tin selini... Polloi vevaia to kanoun giati xeroun oti den tha paixoun pote stin ethniki omada tis horas tous kai einai filodoxoi.Opos o Mauro German Camoranesi pou ton anthropo ton rotisan giati den tragoudaei ton ethniko ymno tis italias prin apo kana 2 hronia kai apantise oti den einai o dikos tou!!! kalimera kai kalo mina!!!!!file moy Tsalgik kala ta les!! to scouting poy anafera einai epeidi pisteyo oti o panathinaikos prepei na eksaplosei ta diktia toy scouting toy stin afriki!! pisteyo episis oti palious paiktes poy einai stin notia ameriki prepei na toys balei na toy briskoyn paiktes talantoyxoys kai na toys fernei stin paiania i na toys dinei daneikous se omades tin notias amerikis!!theoro oti tha itan episis kalo na anaptyxthei mia synergasia me club apo tin notia ameriki etsi oste na toys stelnei ekei daneikous i na exei ton proto logo an tyxon bgei kapoio talento apo tis akadimies aytis!apo toys anthropous pou pisteyo oti einai idanikoi gia na briskoyn paiktes einai o veron kai o markarian(oso kai an sas fainetai apisteyto)!! oso afota ton adu to palikari exei poli megalo talento!apla epaize se lathos xora kai protathlima!!opos episis to megalitero kako einai i dimosiotita poy pire,apo oti fainetai den mporei na tin diaxeiristei!elpizo na brei ton eayto toy kai na ksediplosei to talento toy an kai paizei stin benfica. telos ematha oti i corinthians klotsaei kai den dinei ton zelao!ta misa dikaiomata toy ta exei i porti toy omada,me aytin ta exei brei i omada mas me tin alli exoyme problima!!i metagrafi mallon an tha ginei tha paei konta 2 me 2,5m!! :nw: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bar7 Posted August 1, 2007 Share Posted August 1, 2007 Ivansich out for 2 months :( any word on where Gansef is right about now?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve07 Posted August 1, 2007 Share Posted August 1, 2007 2 Months? I know he got hurt yesterday in the friendly is it officially 2 months? Man our guys are dropping like flies :tdown: I just hope all these injuries don't become lingering problems during the season. Damn and I was really looking forward to see what Ivan could do this year with a year under his belt with this team. Anyways is there any new news on that Brazilian kid Zelao or whatever his name is? Also I heard that Vyntra is wanted from a German team or something any news on that situation? I also heard about us being linked with Daniel Cousin form RC Lens he is listed as a Mid. Anyways heres to no more injuries Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsoglani Posted August 1, 2007 Author Share Posted August 1, 2007 2 Months? I know he got hurt yesterday in the friendly is it officially 2 months? Man our guys are dropping like flies :tdown: I just hope all these injuries don't become lingering problems during the season. Damn and I was really looking forward to see what Ivan could do this year with a year under his belt with this team. Anyways is there any new news on that Brazilian kid Zelao or whatever his name is? Also I heard that Vyntra is wanted from a German team or something any news on that situation? I also heard about us being linked with Daniel Cousin form RC Lens he is listed as a Mid. Anyways heres to no more injuries dont listen to all the s%$#! someone writes.There is no official statement from the team about how long he will be missing if he is going to miss at all. The docs want to do some more checks so the official statement is beein awaited for tommorow. The only one who said that he could be missing for even 2 months was him but that happened before anyone did any examinations, and i doubt Iva is a doc himself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve07 Posted August 1, 2007 Share Posted August 1, 2007 I hope it's not as serious as was stated. But sometimes when you get injured you know your body well enough to state if it's serious or not and by him saying that I have my doubts that it isn't serious. I know he is no doc but you can tell most times if you got hurt bad or not. Hopefully he is very very wrong :P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsoglani Posted August 1, 2007 Author Share Posted August 1, 2007 I hope it's not as serious as was stated. But sometimes when you get injured you know your body well enough to state if it's serious or not and by him saying that I have my doubts that it isn't serious. I know he is no doc but you can tell most times if you got hurt bad or not. Hopefully he is very very wrong :P Look i never said it is or is not serious. What i said is that you cant state the exact time of absence when you havent been examined. Even moris who did an operation will be back in (best time 6 weeks- wors time 8 weeks) so i doubt a hit which doesnt need a surgery will last so long to cure Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XXX-18T Posted August 2, 2007 Share Posted August 2, 2007 2 Months? I know he got hurt yesterday in the friendly is it officially 2 months? Man our guys are dropping like flies :tdown: I just hope all these injuries don't become lingering problems during the season. Damn and I was really looking forward to see what Ivan could do this year with a year under his belt with this team. Anyways is there any new news on that Brazilian kid Zelao or whatever his name is? Also I heard that Vyntra is wanted from a German team or something any news on that situation? I also heard about us being linked with Daniel Cousin form RC Lens he is listed as a Mid. Anyways heres to no more injuries http://www.sportdog.gr/new/article.aspx?id=40368Quick sell Vyntra!!!! Ivan is out for up to 2 months with a knee injury :( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MATTOS13 Posted August 2, 2007 Share Posted August 2, 2007 good morning, if ivan get 2 months off i think we only have 2 players to play at his side leontiou & seric(maybe???)!!ninis,karagounis,dimoutsos &n'doye can only play right or center!!! so we may have to search for AML! for how long is eki out?i think september is his return to training!! if any team in this world wants to buy vyntra then SELL HIM :tup: peseiro in his return said that we don't need any other CB cause we have pagkalis & katranas!!!i think that he trust our young and he will give them their chance to the first team!!maybe someone of them become a second ninis!!!!we will see about it!!! if we sign a CB he won't be ZELAO i think they have found someone else,because velic is full of suprise!!!!!!!!!!!!! :whistle: i think leontiou is playing well at the moment as AML.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drakos13 Posted August 2, 2007 Share Posted August 2, 2007 Ivanschitz 2 months - guess who should pay for the medical bills - the jackass who scheduled that IDIOTIC friendly with Lausanne.....biggest waste of time yet, why on earth in the middle of preseason do you schedule a friendly with a team of amateur HACKS????? He got a horrible tackle as were most of their poor, untalented and untimed tackles we were lucky not to lost more players......and even worse we could only put 2 past one a set of in-shape amateurs, 2nd division yeah right, these guys look like 3rd and 4th division Swiss players with more fitness.....God they were awful...and we lost Ivanschitz, for what...... an embarssing 2-0 vs the easiest team weve played in over a year??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MATTOS13 Posted August 2, 2007 Share Posted August 2, 2007 i remember some years before,teams like Lausanne we used to beat them about 10-0 or at least 5-0!!!now we usually win by 2-0!!but i understand that a lot of things change from that days!! we have 3 bad injuries from the start of the preseason morris,siontis & now ivan!!! we have out eki,tsigas!!ninis,dimoutsos were in the european championshi!!! so peseiro had to work we about 16 players i think!!it is very difficult to start building a team and when things going better u lose valuable players!!!! Something that i like from peseiro is that he used 3 different ways of playing 4-4-2! did u read the article of the republica(russia) where ninis said that he is sick with our team?My Webpage this boy has a great future!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyberfish Posted August 2, 2007 Share Posted August 2, 2007 Great. If we go into the season relying on players like Katranas, Siontis, Pagalis, it's going to be another long one. Young players with no first division play are good for the future if they learn alongside players like Karagounis, Ivanschitz, Morris and a couple of others. We can't rely on them to win consistently. We lost two of our best contributors from last year. This shows bad luck, and no depth. I am sorry but starting the season with Seric as a LM, Darlas as LB and Siontis at CB does not excite me at all. I hope Peseiro can pull some miracles, but I'd rather we rely on preparation than prayers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NikosVazelas Posted August 2, 2007 Share Posted August 2, 2007 Cyber, u never seemed like the pessimistic kinda guy to me. yes we did lose ivan for 8 weeks. morris will be out another 3 to 4. but we do have the depth to cover for them. look at last year. we lost eki for 6 months. and we ended up signing romero, victor, ivan. but out of nowhere came ninis half way through the season to outplay all those guys. Right now things look bad but not horrible. u can play leontiou seric or even Ndoye on the left flank. ninis, romero karagounis or ndoye can all play on the right. we have goumas, big joe, pagkalis, morris and katranas that can all play in the back. thats alot better then morris goumas kotsios and biscan. u have the two young guys that will get some playing time and learn to play in the a division. lets not forget we went throughout the whole training period in switzerland without dimoutsos and ninis. we have depth.\ besides, in past years, we neer relied on one player to bring us glory. its when we started to rely on one or two key players, that pao started showing negative play on the pitch. be patient and confident. we have the thrird yougnest team in the superleague and we will still be contending for first place. that says alot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MATTOS13 Posted August 2, 2007 Share Posted August 2, 2007 i have found our new signing!!!!watch what this kid do!!!!!!!! http://www.sport24.gr/html/ent/163/ent.190163.asp i hope we sign him,he is ready for our first team!! :tup: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NikosVazelas Posted August 2, 2007 Share Posted August 2, 2007 he is already part of manchester uniteds organization. i have stated this a while back that the scouting for teams ouside of greece is outstanding. man u signed him at the age of 8. can u imagine being signed at 8. gamata Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DUDE Posted August 2, 2007 Share Posted August 2, 2007 he is already part of manchester uniteds organization. i have stated this a while back that the scouting for teams ouside of greece is outstanding. man u signed him at the age of 8. can u imagine being signed at 8. gamata No scouting was involved here file. The kid's grandfather filmed him playing and sent the video to Man Utd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slick13 Posted August 2, 2007 Share Posted August 2, 2007 i remember some years before,teams like Lausanne we used to beat them about 10-0 or at least 5-0!!!now we usually win by 2-0!!but i understand that a lot of things change from that days!! we have 3 bad injuries from the start of the preseason morris,siontis & now ivan!!! we have out eki,tsigas!!ninis,dimoutsos were in the european championshi!!! so peseiro had to work we about 16 players i think!!it is very difficult to start building a team and when things going better u lose valuable players!!!! Something that i like from peseiro is that he used 3 different ways of playing 4-4-2! did u read the article of the republica(russia) where ninis said that he is sick with our team?My Webpage this boy has a great future!!!!!!! we should have won 10-0! we had plenty of chances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy Posted August 3, 2007 Share Posted August 3, 2007 he is already part of manchester uniteds organization. i have stated this a while back that the scouting for teams ouside of greece is outstanding. man u signed him at the age of 8. can u imagine being signed at 8. gamata No scouting was involved here file. The kid's grandfather filmed him playing and sent the video to Man Utd. And Alex Ferguson saw the kid and went nuts about him.That 8 year old is a lot better than many adult players that i know. ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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