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I think so ya, and top 2 nations league group winners that don't qualify for wc or the 2nd place playoffs also get a playoff spot.

Who was asking questions?? His buddy??? Asks about Kourb moving back as if that was somehow the issue out there 🤔 🤔 Hey why'd you use Pavlidis as a LW today and not Tzolis? Also why did you wait till the 79th to bring on another attacking player when the team was clearly having problems breaking through their defense. Why do you keep playing Baka when it's clear Fortou is leaps and bounds better than him as evident in EVERY GAME HE'S PLAYED?!?! Like he's sitting there happy that our dancing monkeys were actually able to dance. "ya the pylons we put on the field who are only capable of the bare minimum, gave us the bare minimum, so it was a real success story". Yes it's nice that we're not playing like complete s#it but we're just amediocre 3rd pot team squeaking out results. We're not any better than what skibbe had us playing. We're only playing better and creating because of the handful of skill, class and imagination we have on the field. If he was actually trying to develop this team, Rota or another new rb would have played, tzolis would have played more, he would have experimented with the midfield way more since that's our biggest focal point, vasiliadis would have been given a shot. It's just the same old s#it dressed in a different jacket with a Dutch accent.

Baka can't play as the 8, he has -10 skill for that position. He's literally good as a 2nd st and that's it. The best thing he did yesterday was turn, take 2 steps and shoot the ball... Hardly a mind bending maneuver. 30 games and he's got 2 goals and 2 assists.... 1 penalty and a tap in from Fortou, and a 10 ft simple pass to Fortou for the assist. I'm still in fcking shock and awww that he put pavlidis on LW yesterday.... Like what on fcking earth was that??? There's something really fishy going on with this team and it'd be nice of the media actually did their fcking jobs and reported on it cause now it's just blatantly obvious.

First sub should have been tzavellas or hatzi off, Kourb to cb and tzolis to LW, instant 4-3-3. If still tied, then Zeca off, Pav or pelkas on and Kourb back to dm as a quazi 3 at the back and tsim has free reign up the left side while mavrias stays back a bit to guard the counter with Kourb and the other cb. Then eventually bakasetas or whoeves tired off, Rota or masouras in so there's 2 players and overlapping runs on both wings again to creating more speed and headaches for their tired d. We saw that Limnios and Fortou were able to make turns and get away from their defenders as they dribbled towards the box. Imagine what fetfa would have done to their d today. We needed ball skill out there and he just refused to put the right guys for that on. It's like he absolutely expected to be up a goal or 2 after the first half and had no contingency plan if not. Sorry for all the ranting, I'm just so shocked with the results in these 6 games.

Guys.... What good soccer did he have us playing??? Like good soccer compared to before he came in?? Ya that shouldn't have been hard to do considering idk wtf we were playing beforehand, left handed tidley winks maybe, but definitely wasn't soccer. We played with big clunky goofy mids (including Baka) with zero forward vision, always looking for back passes and zero ability to take on defenders. Possession, pass% & shots mean fck all if you do nothing with it. We didn't play smooth flowing soccer today, idk what game some guys were watching. We have guys that are capable of it, but they were doing it on their own, Fortou, Tsim, Limn and I'll give mavrias credit cause he was working hard up and down the pitch. There's a lot of potential for this team but this coach refuses to let it shine. He's given Bakasetas the key to the city here and no one on here, in Greece or anywhere else on earth with eyes has any idea why. Absolutely refuses to play 2 wingers at once. Would rather play Fortou out of position than Baka. Won't call up the best cb's our country has ever produced, but will call up and PLAY a hasbeen who is a LB turned cb so he could stay relevant. Can someone on here honestly explain why he played Pavlidis as a LW today and tzolis as a ST? He's clueless! I'm convinced he doesn't watch game tapes of our players, he just looks at paper states and minutes player and picks based off that, maybe experience as well (tzavellas/mavrias). Like he wore out Fortou and Tsim today. Tsim was alone on the left side and Fortou was basically setting up our offence cause the guy who is suppose to has no clue how to play the cam position

This game was absolutely the coaches fault. Plays the same stupid line up that only worked against Moldova because of individual efforts from Fortou and maybe a couple other. Bakashitas absolutely useless to life. Our mids were a joke against a joke Moldova team!! What'd ppl expect today playing an actual decent team??? We once again had nooooo LW for God only knows what reason. 4-3-3 worked so well when he used it that he did the only logical thing a coach could do... Go back to the 4-2-3-1 that doesn't work... Logic 101 🤦‍♂️ 🤦‍♂️ 🤦‍♂️ Giak should never have been taken off, waste of a sub. Then he puts Pav at LW, Tzo at ST and Baka at DM... guys sipna edo! He has no clue who his players are or what they play for their clubs. San Marino and Gibraltar understand their players better than our coach. I've never seen anything like this in my life from any other prominent soccer team, only Greece. JVS, Current EPO Board, Bakashitas, Tzavellas, Mavrias, Bouchalakis GTFO and never come back. It's a utter disgrace the level of incompetence management has displayed with this team. This goof can't get over the fact that he made a bad choice going with bakashitas, so he doubles down on it, makes him cpt and rams him down all our throats.

I know he'll prob try stuff out tomor, but I hope he gives guys a legit look and doesn't do too many m@l@kies. I'm honestly more worried about the stupidities we may see the in the NL games. We really do need to win this tomor though!

Honestly fck this coach! Complete and utter fckin moron!!! Goes to see kotsiras play, then calls up mavrias??? Guy hasn't played a single game in Europe this year, makes perfect sense 🤦‍♂️. Then calls up siopis because yes, keeping the ball out of our net has been our issue... 🤔 🤔 🤔 Then calls up only 2 wingers??? Ffs like this is straight out of a family guy episode. It's like we're on candid camera with these clowns and their call ups. I literally can't take a word this guy says seriously anymore. He clearly doesn't care about guys form if mavrias gets a call. Let's see what happens now that he has to replace his star winger mantalos and star cb svar. Gianoulis hurts but he doesn't use him how he should anyway which is rattling cause Gianoulis is so much more effective for paok. But I guess that goes for most of our guys. I'm just at a loss for words at this pt. Hoping for the best but I'm fearing the worst. I'm fine with siopis being called, but he won't use him. He's only there as a back up to to the other 3 donkeys.

Boys let's get serious in here lol he's not gonna start fortounis no matter what. It'll be the same s%$#! he's been ramming down our throats for 6 of the last 8 games we've played. Gala and the D were the only differences in 6 of the last 8 games for starters. When we talk s#it about guys not in form being given time, it's usually guys that suck and not guys of fortounis caliber. The line up will more than likely be the same nonsense it's been cause he has no vision. His subs and his starters haven't made any sense and don't make sense at all with what's happened and what's been at those given times. He really can't see the forest through the trees. What the line up should be Bak hatzi manolas(retsos) tsimikas Zeca Fortounis Mantalos(Gala) Limnios Fountas(Gianoulis) Pavlidis(Fountas) What it will be lol Bak(hatzi) svar tzav gianoulis The 2 headed monster Kourbzeca Limnios bakapylon Mantalos Pavlidis(koulouris) He will continue to plays guys out of position and will continue crippling our attack by not having proper personel on both sides of the field. I'm so curious to see who he calls up! Hoping for the best but fearing the same nonsense.

I'm fine with Pav and Lim obv, they can start everygame. They're definitely not the issue out there. Those are all good line ups guys, problem is he'll never even attempt play them because these idiot greek coaches never do what makes sense. I think the friendly was a telltale sign of this coaches lack of anything. So many things could have been tried out, instead he just did the same s%$#! he's been doing. Like if course non of us are soccer mastermind(maybe some of us 😝), but we all know the game pretty well. And what's frustrating is is that we're not in here posting insane ideas for line ups, we're on here posting very logical realistic line ups. That's where you know theres a massive problem. And although we're not in that dressing room, we all highly doubt he's forced into these line ups because of the personnel available/unavailable to him. Any logical coach would have tried his line up, seen it was ineffective and switched to something different, but not him. And this ego s#it he's pulling with manolas, socs, siovas and fetfa is very bad. Manolas and soc have bled for the shirt and deserve better than that. This guys acting like a big shot in borrowed shoes. He's proven nothing and he walks in the door kicking ass and chewing bubble gum. This clown wouldnt have even gotten hired if epo wasn't so broke and incompetent

Svarnas is just another puzzling issue with this team. He isn't awful, but we're also playing s#it teams. But aek fans sound shocked he's playing, so that's saying something, and he's not even their first choice. Bottom line this team is a fcking dumpster fire. He's started Pav, Lim, Baka, Mant, Kourb and Zeca 3 out of the 4 games and we've only scored 2 goals in those 3 games. Either this coach is a clueless dumba$$ or theres curruption worse than any of us could've ever imagined. And let's be real about Otto and Santos (aside from euro 04), we'd squeeze out 1-0 games in the 90th against powerhouses like Malta. But aside from a couple wins, we always did s#it against top teams and we'd get embarrassed at tourneys ie euro 08, wc 2010 w/ South Korea/Argentina euro 2012 with Czech/Germany. And let's not forget those stupid a$$ line ups we had in the Argentina and Germany games lol might as well have just told the players to form a wall in front of the net and stand on each other's shoulders... Like that's a joke. Every wc we made, we were runners up in a group and had to play a playoff when we should have made it through. Croatia for 2012 was the clutchest game we ever played against a legit top team post euro 04. We had no business tying Japan'14, losing to South Korea'10, losing to the Czechs'12 and losing to Costa Rica, we shouldn't have even needed penalties. Can you guys seriously think of another team anywhere that's ever fielded such debacle lineups like we've seen consistently?? But with Greece it's become the norm for the line up to come out and it's a complete and utter m@lakia. JVS might seriously be as big of a dink as Skibbe was and that's a tall order considering he's in the hall of fame for all time bone headed decisions. It's one thing for coaches to make some mistakes, we get it, it happens. But these guys literally will run into the wall 50 times, then look at the door, then try the wall again. 3 straight games he tried a cb at rb and it was brutal all 3 games... Like what game was he watching??? Even if Baka works harder than fortounis, he still isn't good enough to tie fortounis bootlace. What good is winning the ball back if we can't do anything with it? The object of the game is to score, not win the ball back. A good offense IS a good defense. You don't have to play d when you have the ball the majority of the time. It doesn't help our cause if we have a bunch of Rudys on the field. You can teach work ethic, you can't teach skill and vision.

Also with Bakasetas, it looks like the majority of his production has come when he's used at a 2nd striker.

Stumbled on to something today, not sure if guys have talked about it specifically or not though. I was going through google, looking at past line ups we fielded for every game and noticed a troubling trend. For the last 9 games straight, going back to the 2-0 loss to Italy - Bakasetas, Mantalos, Limnios and Pavlidis(didn't play against Italy) have been either starters or featured in the offense in all those games and have been the front 4 in a few of those games. Limnios and Pavlidis are fine, but seriously wtf is going on with this team??? I went back even further Stafylidis always seems to find his way into the line no matter what the situation is... As a cb, lw, lb, cm, cdm... A guy who's played a grand total of 28 games since 2017. And in 122 club games since 2017 Bakasetas has 29 goals and 20 assists. Fortounis has 32 goals and 36 assists in 106 games since 2017, it's night and day.

Guys, everyone needs to have a listen to "Gate 7 International Podcast" ! They're most recent podcast was about the NL games and they hit all the nails on the head perfectly! Talked about everything we've been saying in here. They brought up a very good pt as well - which is why on earth Staf and Baka have been wearing the captains armband... Neither of them have nay business being captain. They barely have business being part of the team. A while back guys on here brought up something about Staf, tzavellas and baka sharing an agent who has major pull with EPO. That could be what's going on here. Think about it, there was no need to try Staf at cb and baka certainly hasn't earned any of the playing time he continues to get. On the podcast they ptd out that the assist baka got on the mantalos goal was the first pass he's ever made that created a dangerous situation for the opposition... That's how useless he's been for the nt. We all have eyes, and unfortunately I think the curruption is still alive and well. If we don't see the proper adjustments made for the next round of games, then we know for sure it's still happening. Idk, I don't wanna sound like a loon, but what other explanation can there be for these plugs being given automatic starts?? And even though he subbed of baka, he didn't do it till the 70+ min.

I agree with both of you! jvs made a lot of well overdue changes, but there's still more work to be done. He said in the post gamer that that review and adjust after each game.... Well he better actually start fcking doing that cause that sort of logic and take on things looked non existent in the 3 games. Instead it looked like groundhog day with Bill Murray. I'm all for him trying things out, np trying a cb at rb cause you don't trust your young called up rb. Also np trying tzavellas at cb which has been his natural club position for a few yrs now, and nothing wrong with having a vet in the squad. And yes it's a rebuild, so there will be ups and downs, but even in a rebuild common sense still applies and I think we're all seeing some familiar issues coming back. Albeit not the same as before, but definitely things that shouldn't still be lingering. Anyways, let's see what he puts on the field in the next round of games and we'll go from there.