La Mendel
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Perhaps Ranieri wasnt s%$#!.. oh wait, yes he was s%$#!, but the team is pathetic too in these matches.
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good shot stafylidis
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We've been overachieving since at least 2010.
Quite so. Santos was practically always right.
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*with an attempt at joking* I dont know, should we play 8-1-1? with everybody defending then perhaps somebody manages to score a goal somehow? like this: Karnezis, Torosidis, Vyntra, Manolas, Sokratis, Avraam, Siovas, Tziolis, Spyropoulos, Katsouranis, Mitroglou.
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NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
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Great header by Mitroglou
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We are a little nervous. Fantastic save by Karnezis.
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sorry for double post.
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We have got to win this match. Go Ellada! :gr:
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They were great at their peak, especially Karagounis and Katsouranis but far out still have nightmares of that trio at the tail end of their careers.
In saying that, at least Karagounis never stopped giving his all right up until the end. Can't remember the exact stats but he ran something like 13 km's in his last game.
Do you really think Tziolis should be selected in the squad after his mediocre season at PAOK?
Why, sure. Maniatis and K. Papadopoulos are injured.
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Cyprus played on an artificial pitch against Andorra last night.
I think it's inexplicable that anyone would want Karagounis to start tonight over Ninis or Tachtsidis.
I spoke about the (say) 2009-2012 period. As for the mentioned players, I would even now choose Karagounis over Vellios or Koutsianikoulis. Ninis is a borderline case, of course, if he is in good form, he can be useful to the team. Tachtsidis is a very capable and useful player but I didnt say I dont want him so WTF d'ya want?
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Perhaps for the World Cup but I am not talking just WC, in general and I certainly wouldn't expect Santos to have picked Charisteas or Kafes.
Santos was big on the Kara, Kats and Tziolis midfield... hello!
In fact, our midfield never featured these players in the big tournaments (Tziolis wasnt in the squad in 2012, in the WC he didnt play), and only rarely in the last two years of Santos' reign. The last time when both Katsouranis and Karagounis were in the starting 11 was possibly the match against Russia (Euro 2012). Santos usually played three midfielders, one of whom was many times Maniatis.
Charisteas played in the first match of Santos against Serbia. Later he scored a goal against Georgia in our last preliminary match. Kafes was selected and played by Santos in 2010 in several qualifying matches but then he wasnt called up any more.
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We can still qualify if we win. It would be best if at the same time Finland would beat Hungary.
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[...] Santos is to blame.
This should be written on the wall in your homes. It can be modified ad libitum: Rehhagel/Santos/Karagounis/Katsouranis is to blame.
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Making the round of 16 at the world cup, is it not considered over achieving?
Every expert outside of Greece predicted us 3rd or 4the to finish in the division, based on our talent....We made the round of 16, how is that not over achieving? And lost in penalty kicks, in a game that all the world experts called Costa Rica goal keeper brilliant....And the MVP of the match...Greece outplayed a team, that had no problem beating Italy.
Put this threw your heads....When this nightmare is over...You will see our brand of soccer come back...The one and the only one....Built tough with pride...And I cannot wait until this garbage we're witnessing comes to a end!!!!
You are right in every way but one. Practically we had already our brand of soccer back against Hungary. The team played fairly well (after the Ranieri affair), if only Klaus would have been able to find the net.
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He got results for us at the expense of our future
That isnt true. His successor only should have continued his work, he didnt sacrifice the future. His starting XI and tactics should have only slightly modified and developed (just as Santos developed the Rehhagel team). Salpingidis should have been replaced by Fetfatzidis in the starting eleven, and Katsouranis should have been used as a sub after WC, that would have given a team like this: Karnezis - Torosidis, Manolas, Papastathopoulos, Holebas - Kone, Maniatis, Samaris - Fetfatzidis, Mitroglou, Samaras. (Most probably these alternations would have been effected by Santos himself if he would have stayed - remember that after Euro 2012 Karagounis and Gekas became backup players.) He gave opportunity for youngsters too (Manolas, Tzavellas, Fetfatzidis, Samaris, Christodoulopoulos, Siovas, Mitroglou, Tachtsidis).
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When did Santos over achieve?
Santos's inability to move away from players in their mid 30's is a big reason we have seen the crap we have this campaign
Rubbish. Almost all of the players well over 30 were eventually left out by Santos (Charisteas, Kafes etc. etc.). After Euro 2012 Karagounis were used mainly as a sub (he and Katsouranis rarely were on the pitch at the same time). In the World Cup there were only 6 players in the squad who were over 30 - Karagounis, Katsouranis, Salpingidis, Gekas, Vyntra, Moras. The last two didnt play at all, Gekas was used mainly because of Mitroglous lesser form after his injury, Salpingidis was in the starting 11, and Karagounis or Katsouranis too. That means only two and a half player was over thirty in the starting eleven in the WC - so much for the statement Santos played a lot of old players. Ranieri didnt understand Greek football at all and was possibly in the pocket of the owner of AEK (call-ups of Mantalos & Bakakis), he was the reason the production of the team was crap after the World Cup.
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There were many years where Karagounis was widely panned, especially on the gs.com forums. This is nothing new. "The dreaded KKM midfield" was a topic of much discussion for a long time; unfortunately, once a player retires, we treat his memory like that of a dead person - he is somehow unimpeachable.
It was even then inexplicable that somebody wanted him to retire from international football... and who would have they wanted to play? Ninis, Vellios, Koutsianikoulis etc.
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I'm pretty sure Greeksoccer.com had a poster named Karagounis Hater years ago. This is nothing new.
Still, it is fairly surprising to me. I thought everybody acknowledges his capacity and tenacity. People are bashing him because of his alleged influence over the head coach. If for example Tavlaridis was called up because he is a friend of Karagounis, then why wasnt he in the squad for many years? I understood Santos was a puppet of Karagounis and Katsouranis, and Rehhagel was also controlled by certain players (perhaps we can mention Katsouranis here). Vyntra and Tziolis, two other "friends" of Karagounis and Katsouranis were left out of the team at Euro 2012 by the - as you said - puppet Santos, and in WC 2014 they didnt play a single minute. It is quite incomprehensible, on the basis of what you folks say.
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I cant understand this... are there now Karagounis haters too? I thought the evil Katsouranis is to blame for everything (loss against Romania, NI, the Faroe Islands, hopeless production of the team etc. etc.). The main man between 2004 and 2008 was of course not Karagounis but Basinas who was a very able player, he was among the best at Euro 2008 (the other two were Karagounis and Charisteas). Karagounis' contribution on the pitch was very important for more than ten years, with him Greece achieved successes as never before (Euro 2004 + quarter finals in 2012; second round at the WC in 2014 etc. etc.). It is quite inexplicable that now some of you are questioning his past production because of your idiotic notions that Karagounis directs Markari?n. We dont even know why was Holebas left out now but there are people who are quite sure that it happened because of Karagounis.
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Oh no... is Karnezis injured indeed? A fairly big loss, our other keepers are not on the same level, and they didnt play regularly in the season. Kapino played very rarely, and Glykos was used as a backup of Itandje. I think however Markari?n will choose Kapino if Karnezis isnt available (Glykos wast even in the squad in March).
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I would be content with a 1-0 for Greece.
Faroe Islands-Greece(13 June 2015, Torsvollur, Torshavn)
in Greek National Teams
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Holebas often was out of position too, but apart from this, a correct post.