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The Skibbe won't play 3 CB's because he would have Toro, Stafy and the mids running back too much on the counter. Unless he uses KPaps as a DM that drops back as a CB in defence, where that would make four CB's and two wing backs.
A 3 4 3 would then become a 4 5 1 or a 4 3 3.
Orestis
Manolas Sokratis Oikonomou
Toro KPaps Zeca Stafylidis
P Mantalos K Fortounis
K Mitroglou
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And your two guys that were the worst were playing out of position. Like I said previously, most players are not world class out of position, even if they are in their rightful positions.
Mantalos is in as an AM, or a CM or not in at all, Bakasetas as a SS or CF/Striker. Fortounis is always one game away from blowing a match apart-but never gets around to it. He should be a CM or even as a LW, he is one who can play well there. KPaps as a DM doesn't offer more than Samaris, Taxi, Zeca or Siopis in attack. He offers more in the way of ill-discipline and red cards.
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The names Vellios, Klaus and Diamand have been given a sniff. That is why we rate only them. Two new names should be given a shot that have not been yet. Then we can start add them to our ratings. Talent spotting should be happening all around the Super League and Europe, not only on the beaches of Mykonos either.
If a young player is 12-18 months away, Skibbe should get him in to come off the bench now.
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I hope Skibbe shows more faith in someone that is natural on the wing soon. I don't believe you pick your best 11. You pick the best players in their best positions - which means it will turn out to be the best decision.
Not many players are versatile enough to be at world class standard in un-natural positions in a team. Mantalos and Bakasetas are struggling with this right now.
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With regard to left field selections, a goalkeeper named Gianniotis came in to sit on the bench. What was wrong with Barkas sitting on the bench instead, through an injury to Glykos? He didn't do much wrong sitting on the bench afew campaigns ago. What is Skibbo's criteria when choosing players, was it through injury?
Fountas or Pelkas played 5 mins and not seen again. Mantalos out of position has been ordinary and is one of the first players picked.
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Now with a more settled lineup players like Diamantakos and Vellios should get chances. I don't remember any of them playing more than 2 games. They need 7 games and then to get just an idea. At this level, players need More than 15 games to feel like they belong. So far, no guy under 30 has shown that they can't play in the last 5 years. Fitting in in a hurry is a different story. Changing coaches through politics three times was ridiculous.
Until Mantalos plays in the middle and Bakasetas or Karelis plays as an SS, I cannot get a gauge on either of them. It only says they are top players out of position for the sake of the Ethniki.
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Your entitled to be Deano, although, with my optimism, I'm also alittle cautious. Players like Manthatis, Androutsos, Limnios, Retsos Galanopoulos, Fountas and Kapino, there is half a team that are really exciting prospects.
There are older guys who are still young like Kourbelis, Pelkas, Kolovos, and Gianniotas and the list goes on. I believe we have depth only to be tapped. Skibbo's coaching team need to identify 1 striker now, and give him a couple of goes. Then another one in 6 months and give him a shot to develop during friendlies, or near the end of certain matches, even if they are qualifiers.
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Donis is a CF and also a winger, Kapino or Barkas are there and there are more keepers that can take over eventually. All these young guys you mentioned have not been given a shot so they haven't failed. I see it as they are good depth for now and things are on the up and up fille.
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Ethniki may have started to appear more experienced around the middle with Samaris, perhaps KPaps and Zeca with his age - and afew more international games under his belt and we look more settled. The ranking may well go toward top 25 for us. Added to them are Taxi, Arab and Tziolll.
There is more consistency these days and I hope the ethnoes keep it going, top 25 with a WC qualification.
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Holebas's recent interview that I noticed on Agona sport, he claims that he has stopped making himself available purely because of the coach Skibbe. In his view, the coach doe not often select on form, rather on the boys club favourites.
He may have a point, though, there have been many players tried during Skibbe's time. Holebas also said he takes his form very seriously and he didn't become unavailable due to his age.
These issues often come up in sport I have found. He would still be a talented player for the Ethniki, although, Staf has grown into a top player.
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As you touched on Deano, the rest of the midfield can look so much better with better wingers. As can the stricker. Out of sorts Mantalos or later on Karelis on the left is a patch up job continuing.
I bet Bakasetas is better more centrally and he is out on the RW. This is not doing him justice. His shot on goal is world class, so he has to wait on an opportunity centrally.
Basically, if your good enough your old enough, you have 18 year olds fighting wars and people highly dependant on them; what, the young players can't play high level soccer? Eveytime youth get a shot, they usually repay you. If it takes half a dozen matches, so be it-off the bench
There are no excuses for playing players out of position, given they don't perform there. The pirates are suffering as I and others seem to be. World class players are given a shot as teenagers and become great players ie. Hames Rodriguez, Lionel Messi, Wayne Rooney, now Marcus Rashford etc.
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We have a lack of wingers cause the coaches past and present are reluctant to give them a fair shot. Expand the talent pool, two LW and two RW to start with and all of a sudden there are wingers. Let there be wingers!!
This way we can speculate less and see progress more. The only way to know. An out of sorts Mantalos stuck on the left is Not any more productive that an enthusiastic natural winger.
Just bite the bullet! Gianniotas, Manthatis covering the right; Donis and perhaps Kolovos to cover the left. Skibbe should have them in the squad and keep giving them a run. Just do it re coach! Yulla.
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Chelsea chasing Manolas from Roma...must be a good player. I would say future captain. May be more composed than Sokratis in that role.
What the Pirates have been showing is more solidarity, chemistry look again as though they can take on all teams and be respectable, even against the likes of Faroe Islands.
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Is Alexandros Tziolis the new Kats? The elder statesman effect according to the Skibbe. If so, he will be there till he's 36.
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I meant 2 DM's before, not fullbacks, apologies. Gianniotas has attacking prowess. The Skibbe should trust him more.
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That would mean Taxi goes fwd as the AM when on the attack. Fortounis or Mantalos would offer more going fwd. Another option we could have is a second striker option like Karelis or Bakasetas - (as either are not wingbacks). The Skibbe is a 4 2 3 1 man, like most Greece coaches have been with the team. Probably always had two fullbacks since I can remember.
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Kpaps best pos is CB. He is a starting player for the Pirates though, agreed. This would mean Samaris would be on the bench and as far as the last match indicated, Virus deserves to be there as he was outstanding. Can anyone see Samaris being benched for KPaps or even Taxi? More chance of me having a chance with Kylie Jenner.
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Ok boythessss! There are these are our front three options, so which one wins?
1 Donis Mitro Karelis
2 Mantalos Mitro Donis
3 Manthatis Mitro Donis
4 Manthatis Mitro Pelkas
5 Mantalos Mitro Pelkas
6 Mantalos Mitro Kone
7 Mantalos Mitro Lazaros
8 Karnezis Kapino Glykos
9 Donis Mitro Kone
10 Bakasetas Mitro Mantalos
11 Donis Mitro Bouchalakis
So, which combination is best then? (don't say Fetfa or Cholevas))
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Do I hear a front three being Donis Mitroglou and Karelis; going once, twice..
Could play Zeca at 6 and Samaris at 8 as Andrea is a better box to box.
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Dimitrios Kolovos is listed as 1 LW, 2 AM or 3 SS. He is a fwd according to Transfermkt. Also, Fountas has dropped off the radar, he is a LW. Pelkas is good there. Any of these in that position ahead of Mantalos.
A Donis is listed as a 1 CF, 2 SS and 3 LW, yet he came on for Bakasetas on the RW if I'm not mistaken. Well, that must be his 4th position. He can probably play as a keeper as well.
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That was a shocking miss from Mantalos, great pass from Donis though. They had an offside earlier in the match that looked ok, could of lost the match. We got away with that one.
Karnezis and Zeka looked outstanding.
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Donis at RW, Kolovos at LW, Fortounis at AM then?
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The Skibbe has tried Bakasetas, now he should try Viktor Klonaridis who is also a second stricker/winger. Donis is also a CF, good back up, along with Vellios for Mitrogou. Donis also showed he is a good winger and a threatening attacker.
Good to see Mitro is inspired and working for results out there too.
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That would work too. I was just thinking that Mantalos keeps playing out of position, it has Not worked and he could finally get a shot at AM again. Then again, good wing play could bring either Fortounis or Mantalos ( at AM), into the play a lot better and therefore Mitroglou too.
Mantalos must be frustrated that he is not given that shot whilst Fortounis is not in good form with the Ethniki-it may seem.
I wonder if anyone would not play Stafylidis at LB, if Cholevas was still in the mix? Stafyli has come a long way and is now vital.
With Sokratis sitting out Estonia match with his yellow card, Kyriako goes in there and Oikonomou may retain his spot in my previously posted squad.
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A 3 5 2 can even revert to a 4 4 2 in defence. 4 2 3 1 is very effective for Greece, I agree.
Also what can be considered in a 3 4 3, Toro can play Right CB, alongside Manolas and Sokratis whilst Gianniotas, Donis or Manthatis can be on the Right flank.
Actually, Samaris could play as the CMid, hark back to that World Cup goal, he doesn't get those opportunities too far back.
A side note, I saw quite abit of Avraam last season, he looks like a tank and isn't timid either. Good CB still.