King_Katsouranis

Oh the express. UKIP's biggest donor. NEXT.

Again the reality is if you are in the UK the picture is different. Manufacturing is almost dead in this country, and even the brexit economist Minford is on record as saying it is likely to die. Leave the EU , and the financial institutions lose their right to passporting. The UK will be fine you say? Something like 15% of the total tax take is based on The City (not including auxiliaries such as accountants and lawyers), estimates think the accountants and lawyers contribute around 15%. If the UK leaves 30% of a budget (already in deficit) is at risk. Outside of the EU borrowing costs are likely to go up, the sovereign debt is already astronomical, so more money will be lost here. It's not inconceivable the UK will lose over 20% of its government's revenues. Government spending is something like 40 - 45% of GDP. Lose 20% of that and you just lost 9% of GDP. All this in a climate where the electorate wants a budget deficit to be wiped out, further austerity or tax rises will be required. Farage came to no ones recsue. He is nothing more than demagogue who has this bunch of followers from the diaspora who have no understanding of the UK domestic situation.

Nigel is good'un https://www.scribd.com/doc/169454715/Nigel-Farage-1981-school-letter

Im glad someone exposes Farage on this forum. Most people in the UK (not including the uneducated people who vote for his party) understand what an a**hole he is. It's really hilarious for people who don't live in the UK to take this overly romantic view of a racist xenophobe. Maybe you should look into his attempts to divide society through lies and propaganda... what a great leader.

I will make a few points. A ) Anyone asking for a second referendum is an idiot, there is a better chance the vote will be ignored. B ) Using the torygraph or express as a source is pointless, as they have their own agenda C ) The reason society's intelligence is being questioned is because of the percentage of people who thought this was a proxy on immigration. (Immigration being non EU immigration) . The UK gov can't control non-eu immigration as it is, a points based system is fanciful in the extreme. The city is F***ed without access to the single market, so the Norway model is the most likely. Other than the European courts having no jurisdiction, a Brexit in this event becomes largely pointless.

I think that is a bid misleading. The EU has brought this country a lot of good, inevitably with bureaucracy it comes with some baggage...

Absolutely, i'm just making the point that a large majority of people who are voting are misinformed idiots.

The Brexit debate is really hilarious. Both sides are spouting pure lies to win votes. There are some solid arguments for both remain and leave, but no we get immigration from one side and then we get "THE TORIES ARE TRYING TO KILL OFF OUR RIGHTS" from the other side. I was going to vote for a Brexit, but I will probably not vote or vote for remain in the end. This is based on the pure fact, that the Brexit side is making a load of noise, but they are all divided on what the resolution going forward is. It's one thing to vote out, and it's another to vote for a plan if there is a Brexit. @Koro, I disagree with you. The standard Brexit argument goes something like "We don't want to send

The village idiot comment I made is aimed at the Syrian village idiot who may happen to be christian. The educated muslims are typically just as liberal as christians in western countries. I still think though hen you look at the middle eastern areas its more a cultural thing than religious thing. The reality is the village christians are going to be slightly less backward than the village muslims ( if they are any less backward). However, if you get someone who is educated as a doctor, lawyer or professor you would imagine they would contribute to society given how other muslims of similar educational backgrounds have managed to do so in other western countries.

Nice misquote to suit your agenda. A) The EU is a joke, when did I say otherwise? B) It's not only in Paris, but whatever suits you C) Since when did 10 000 become millions? D) Educated vs educate. There is a difference.

Yeah I got a few times a year. Have you been to another european city, it is the same deal with crime...

I'll stop after this post. You clearly don't go to Greece so unless you see things with your own eyes you cannot make a judgment. As a general rule in life, you align yourself with people that you express the same views with. So your trusted sources are merely the same golden dawn fantasists. In our village we have a hard working Algerian that has married a widowed woman with children, and supports the family. Using your bullshit standards I can now declare that all Algerians in Greece are great people and support all families. (OBVIOUSLY NOT THE CASE). But that's the argument you are trying to make. Excellent you've shown your ignorance more than once. Especially with your religion comments. The Irish attend church more regularly. The same Irish who just voted to legalise same sex marriage. That should tell you that Greeks on the large aren't really governed by Orthodox values. Organised crime gangs are obviously the worst. However, you trying to link all Albanians to them is where your Golden Dawn fantasy really takes a beating. Your 'trusted sources' would never tell you about the Albanians who integrate into society and perform jobs because it suits their agenda not too. Unfortunately, that same article you posted mentioned Bulgarians. Heaven forbid your Orthodox Brothers are also committing crimes. Back to the main point. I'd rather educated Syrian muslims in Greece that will contribute positively to the country than village idiots that happen to be christian.

Do you care to answer the rest of the post. So far you have found 2 events spanning 12 years to tell me why Albanians were unsuccessful in Greece. Now I will ask again. When was the last time you went to Greece? You seem to be an expert on everything in Greece, or perhaps you live there? Olympic Hellas the figure I am using is a maximum that would come into Greece under this deal.. Given it's capped at 72 000 in Europe, it is nearly impossible for more than 10 000 to come to Greece as part of this deal.

I should have been a lot clearer. I'm talking about the Syrians that fled over the border in neighbouring countries going through the proper channel, and would arrive in Greece as part of this migrant deal . The point i'm trying to make is that they are probably muslims, BUT would actually be good citizens. Which is why its really important to do away with this Orthodox brotherhood s%$#!. The Serbs in fact are such good brothers they recognise the skops as Macedonia.

They went out celebrating and a bunch of fascists had a go at them and it got wild. Aren't people allowed to celebrate??? What is wrong with Kone? Serious question when was the last time YOU went to Greece? @ Reaper. I genuinely think in this case it is different. A lot of the Syrians who are moving are educated civil people that have been forced from their homes. Part of my point is, that an educated muslim who was a doctor or lawyer is probably less of an issue then a christian deadbeat.

The religion question is not so simple, it's a cultural thing to go every now and then. I wouldn't classify myself as religious but I go every so often as well. You're presenting that graph like people are religious in Greece, they definitely are not to the extent you claim. As per Gallup ( http://www.gallup.com/poll/13117/religion-europe-trust-filling-pews.aspx ) from 2004 the weekly church attendance in Greece is 27%, so maybe a third of the population actually give a s%$#! about religion since there are next to no accessibility issues in Greece like there are in the diaspora. That figure is also probably now lower, as religious observance is on a downward trend. Additionally, 12% of the Greeks don't identify as G.O, so probably less than 25% attend a GO church weekly. That tells me religion is not a big deal for most of the population. Whenever I am in Greece it dawns on me that our parents/grandparents generation hold onto religion and their views are really out of whack with their siblings that remained in Greece. I'm not arguing with the EU point, because Europe is moving towards one homogenous place. However, if a bunch ( 10k or less) of non practising muslims or even practising muslims come to Greece then it's not going to destroy the country like the doom merchants claim. It's quite simple Greeks will enforce Greek (not G.O) values on them, the same way they did with the Albanians. It's not like the Albanians have been a problem and unable to integrate, despite most of them being Islamic.

The only difference there is in your first point is religion. What if someone muslim by birth but doesn't practice religion, they are practically culturally similar. In fact they would have a better time integrating in Greece compared to a devout Orthodox person as hardly anyone in Greece practices religion. I already addressed your point on wages. It's irrelevant what 5 - 10 000 refugees do, when there is 25% unemployment in Greece. There is enough downward pressure for them (refugees) to be statistically insignificant. Honestly mate what next is Putin going to lead the Russian and Ethiopian special forces to liberate Constantinople.

The wealth and unit costs of labour in Scandinavia is proof that the labour costs argument is bollocks, there are other arguments for where people are getting screwed, but they don't involve refugees. I think if you were to visit Scandinavia the lifestyle is just fine, there are a few shitholes, but that exists in every modern society. I can assure people still do whatever the hell they want and don't really fear their lifestyles being destroyed. What makes you think the Orthodox Christians from Syria are going to integrate any better than any other Syrians? Especially when most Greeks aren't actually religious, it's just a civil form of organisation.

In all fairness if you think accepting 5- 10 000 endangered refugees is going to have any effect on the labour prices in Greece? There is downward pressure on labour prices in Greece by virtue of 25% unemployment, which is exponentially more than the 5 - 10k refugees coming into a country. Why don't Scandinavian countries have cheap labour when they bear the brunt of the refugees (I'm in no way advocating their stance on taking in immigrants)? The elitist banker rhetoric is troubling. In the whole context of this argument we have people being elitist by not wanting any refugees, but then at the same time they bitch about elitist bankers...

Yes, but the problem is the blackmailing as pathetic the current situation it is can become disastrous. Especially, when you have His Lordship of Incompetence Tsipras in charge of a country. It's not exactly confidence inspiring to have a bloke who can't sense when to tow the line and when not to leading the Greek delegation.

Unfortunately, it's a very real possibility. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/05/26/block-migrant-quotas-and-lose-eu-funding-eastern-europe-warned/

Saudi Arabia in the context of broader Europe is irrelevant. (Not that I disagree with your point in general) In the context of Europe, and the EU accepting a quota of migrants, Greece has to take some of the brunt rightly or wrongly. Taking a few thousand undesirables is probably a better trade off than losing all the subsidies and benefits of being in the EU.

Reaper, if from the mix you can choose people that suit the values better - fine. BUT lets assume Greece couldn't, thats not an excuse to not accept anyone.

I agree with you on economic refugees, they have no right to be anywhere near Greece or Europe. However, with the displaced Syrians it's a completely different situation. As much as I don't like immigration, in conflicts like Syria every country has to play some part in helping people out by accepting ACTUAL refugees. If you tow the Christian line, you have accept refugees otherwise it can be perceived you are picking and choosing Christian values to suit your political point.

What I understood form this thread is ThrylosG7 is happy to accept Orthodox Christians. Open up the border to the Ethiopian Orthodox Christians!!!