Go:bekli Posted September 6, 2003 Share Posted September 6, 2003 I cant believe you guys have are even debating this topic 1. Nice to have you around. 2. You missed the point. This is not a debate, it is a clever outting by red-agent ElastonPappou who artfully phrased the question "to all ANTI-Olympiakos ....". So that all those who would enter the irrelevant casuistry of when and under what circumstances they might support OSFP in the CL would be led to accept and freely confess what we knew and they used to conceal as best as they could: That their love for their team is dwarfed by their hate for OSFP. As you can see, several anti-OSFP fans are incapable to love their fellow Greeks or even recognize the self-interest of belonging to a league whose teams perform well but eager to "support" OSFP when, and provided, they dislike the other side even more. What a comfort! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRIFILIAKOS Posted September 7, 2003 Share Posted September 7, 2003 i tell u know, i dont care for either. its like watching fc coppenhagen v lyon. i dont give a toss Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elastonpappou 13 Posted September 8, 2003 Author Share Posted September 8, 2003 2. You missed the point. This is not a debate, it is a clever outting by red-agent ElastonPappou who artfully phrased the question "to all ANTI-Olympiakos ....". hahaha, I liked the red-agent comment....Anyway guys this topic is to illustrate the feelings of all the non-Olympiacos fans, especially, against a Turkish team. It is just a way of knowing what people think about this match. On the other hand, I am reading things like "the bad effect on Greek football", "we cant stand loosing from the Turks" and things like that... First of all for a pure fan, it doesnt matter which team you loose by, only the fact that you lost. I personally, was dissapointed when PAO lost from porto the same way as if we had lost from Fenerbahce... What difference does it make if it a Turkish or an English or a Spanish team. Second, Olympiacos always had bad games in Europe, it is not now that the image of Greek football will be affected. Why doesnt someone say about the sensitivity of the referees in Greece, that for the past years they keep Thrinos on top of Greek football?? Why doesnt someone care when Olympiacos is the champion for the past 7 years, and in every European game they create the worst image of Greek football?? So dont tell me about supporting a team who shoudnt have been in the CL in the first place, that never performed well in Europe, and not GOOD enough for Europe. They are only good domestically when they have got EPO and EPAE backing them, and that clown Djordjevic who dives in the penalty area just to get penalties which otherwise in normal circumstances would never get in a European game... And finally, so much about the Greek sensitivity... Tell me last year when PAO played against Fenerbahce, what did the mercenaries on TV magic used to say??? "THIS GAME HAS NO INTEREST TO US.." and all that crap. So why should we care about the interests of GAY-roi??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maw21 Posted September 9, 2003 Share Posted September 9, 2003 there is no question of who i want to win here. i dont care if it is badminton that is being played. i want Greece to get the points of european victories so that our league continues to benefit from 3 CL teams. :tup: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peristeri 21 Posted September 9, 2003 Share Posted September 9, 2003 i want Greece to get the points of european victories so that our league continues to benefit from 3 CL teams. Etsi bravo! Well said.... I saw a client yesterday of mine (a Tourko) and he is a Gala fan, but in Europe he says that he wants Besiktas and Fener to do well, as they are both Turkish teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Thryleon Posted September 9, 2003 Share Posted September 9, 2003 2. You missed the point. This is not a debate, it is a clever outting by red-agent ElastonPappou who artfully phrased the question "to all ANTI-Olympiakos ....".hahaha, I liked the red-agent comment....Anyway guys this topic is to illustrate the feelings of all the non-Olympiacos fans, especially, against a Turkish team. It is just a way of knowing what people think about this match. On the other hand, I am reading things like "the bad effect on Greek football", "we cant stand loosing from the Turks" and things like that... First of all for a pure fan, it doesnt matter which team you loose by, only the fact that you lost. I personally, was dissapointed when PAO lost from porto the same way as if we had lost from Fenerbahce... What difference does it make if it a Turkish or an English or a Spanish team. Second, Olympiacos always had bad games in Europe, it is not now that the image of Greek football will be affected. Why doesnt someone say about the sensitivity of the referees in Greece, that for the past years they keep Thrinos on top of Greek football?? Why doesnt someone care when Olympiacos is the champion for the past 7 years, and in every European game they create the worst image of Greek football?? So dont tell me about supporting a team who shoudnt have been in the CL in the first place, that never performed well in Europe, and not GOOD enough for Europe. They are only good domestically when they have got EPO and EPAE backing them, and that clown Djordjevic who dives in the penalty area just to get penalties which otherwise in normal circumstances would never get in a European game... And finally, so much about the Greek sensitivity... Tell me last year when PAO played against Fenerbahce, what did the mercenaries on TV magic used to say??? "THIS GAME HAS NO INTEREST TO US.." and all that crap. So why should we care about the interests of GAY-roi??? You can say what you like but we have not sucked for 78 years in europe. That is perhaps the most narrow minded comment and pure evidence of not being able to give credit where credit is due. Pao has been good in europe i can say it as much as i hate the fact that my team cant emulate the run of 99-2000, i have to admit Pao have played well, and even on exit have given a good showing. Not so for my team :tdown:. That is their downfall though, perhaps we will see a more competitive performance this year?? As far as dodgy penalties go, the dodgiest has been awarded to Pao, when a player hit the dirt outside the box, and was awarded a penalty in a game where they would have walked away with no points. Besides if the refs are always against you, what happened on the 11th of may, were they against you then too? You guys had the protathlima on a plate, a draw was all you needed and your players did not play football that day. Dont blame the refs, blame your players for they are the ones who lost the protathlima last year. They earned the nickname of chokers that day. So even if two or three years ago we were awarded a dodgy protathlima that is finished as you had a chance to win it last year and didnt take it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peristeri 21 Posted September 9, 2003 Share Posted September 9, 2003 As much as I hate to admit it, Thryleon has a point. In 2002 AEK had a chance to win it, all we needed was a draw vs OSFP and we lost 4-3, last year PAO were worse, all they needed was a draw and they got done 3-0. I got no complaints. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elastonpappou 13 Posted September 9, 2003 Author Share Posted September 9, 2003 I never said that our players did the job and the fault is only to the refs. In fact I am the first to critisize basina, karagouni and all the other kotes for that performance!!! :tdown: But the fact is that OSFP would not have been 3 points behind if it wasnt for the refs EPO and EPAE. Dont forget, Anastopoulos and Giannena fot a draw from us while they opened their legs to thrinos.... Thrinos should have also been banned from Rizoupoli at the time of the derby. Kourabie should have been banned at least 5-7 matches for his stunt against paok. And so many other things.... So it is a fact the things you mention above fir the kotes etc, but on the other hand you have to admit my argument as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peristeri 21 Posted September 10, 2003 Share Posted September 10, 2003 But the fact is that OSFP would not have been 3 points behind if it wasnt for the refs EPO and EPAE. And PAO should not have had the win against AEK... you won with a non-existant penalty. Dont forget that either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elastonpappou 13 Posted September 10, 2003 Author Share Posted September 10, 2003 What about the clear penalty on Lybe in the first half... :whistle: It is the same isnt it? And apart from that AEK had a really bad game at Leoforos. First half you should have conceded 3 goals! :tup: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icarus Posted September 10, 2003 Share Posted September 10, 2003 Whoever votes for Gala should get a kick in the face. In the N.League, we can be enemies, but outside it in Europe we are all Greeks. I put my feelings aside whenever PAO+OLY+Whomever else is out in Europe and cheer for them because it is a good for Greek football. I am Greek before I am an AEKara. You all are too. Icarus my mate Let us not resort to those extrme coments. You know that I will support any Greek Team in Europe regardless of domestic rivalries, we are in full agreement on that. However, there is no need for us to resort to this use of the langueage to support our views. Everybody has different views and there are planty of better ways to express and discuss ones disagreement no matter how diagobally opposed to the views of the others. Sorry for editing your post... Dimitris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peristeri 21 Posted September 10, 2003 Share Posted September 10, 2003 What about the clear penalty on Lybe in the first half And Nalitzis should have had a penalty at the end as well..... And apart from that AEK had a really bad game at Leoforos. First half you should have conceded 3 goals! And you guys had a bad game at Rizoupoli, and you did cop 3 goals... you choked on the day, you cant go blaming referees and OSFP for what happened that day. You had your chance, you choked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dimi_Pao Posted September 11, 2003 Share Posted September 11, 2003 The Gavri Lost to them last time they played in a Freindly 2:0 in Turkey, Lets see if Times have changed and if they can Add another Victory to Greek vs turkish clubs in European Competition. :whistle: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Go:bekli Posted September 12, 2003 Share Posted September 12, 2003 Anyway guys this topic is to illustrate the feelings of all the non-Olympiacos fans, especially, against a Turkish team. Possibly. But for reasone you know best you wrote anti,,, It is just a way of knowing what people think about this match. On the other hand, I am reading things like "the bad effect on Greek football", "we cant stand loosing from the Turks" and things like that... First of all for a pure fan, it doesnt matter which team you loose by, only the fact that you lost. I personally, was dissapointed when PAO lost from porto the same way as if we had lost from Fenerbahce... What difference does it make if it a Turkish or an English or a Spanish team. Given these statements, what is the meaning of especially, against a Turkish team above? And why do you ask specifically about OSFP against Galatasaray? Second, Olympiacos always had bad games in Europe, it is not now that the image of Greek football will be affected. Why doesnt someone say about the sensitivity of the referees in Greece, that for the past years they keep Thrinos on top of Greek football?? Why doesnt someone care when Olympiacos is the champion for the past 7 years, and in every European game they create the worst image of Greek football?? So dont tell me about supporting a team who shoudnt have been in the CL in the first place, that never performed well in Europe, and not GOOD enough for Europe. They are only good domestically when they have got EPO and EPAE backing them, and that clown Djordjevic who dives in the penalty area just to get penalties which otherwise in normal circumstances would never get in a European game... In my opinion, irrelevant! And finally, so much about the Greek sensitivity... Tell me last year when PAO played against Fenerbahce, what did the mercenaries on TV magic used to say??? "THIS GAME HAS NO INTEREST TO US.." and all that crap. So why should we care about the interests of GAY-roi??? In my opinion, again, it is a bad idea to find the most objectionable supporter of the other team and either imitate his behavior or even to outdo him. Do forgive me when I tell you that I find this thought extremely bizarre Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trifilli Posted September 29, 2003 Share Posted September 29, 2003 Good football is very important, that is why we watch it, it is a spectacle! osfp has to win in Greece and tie in Turkey, or at least loose by less than they won in Greece... I will always support Greek teams vs foreign teams in every sport. Because Galata is Turkish makes it even more important to win. Internationally, teams represent their countries more than they do themselves The results are relevant to the ranking of the country that accounts for the number of teams allowed in European competition Simply all Greek teams have benefited from Panathinaikos' great European success and point gathering. Aek would have been at the Uefa cup and Greece would only have 4-5 teams in Europe. No matter how fanatic and narrow minded one can be, the math speaks for itself It is to all the teams advantage if Greek competition does well in Europe!!! Pao, Aek, even Aris have done well in Europe... Maybe this is Gauros' year to make us proud? When in Europe, ANTI-Gauros=ANTIGREEK I am very pleased to see most fans agree, by the poll results, that we are Greek first and then Football fanatics ELLAS... EUROPH... PORTOGALIA... PEACE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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