PAO_OR_DEATH Posted November 25, 2007 Share Posted November 25, 2007 oh bugger me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
athinaios Posted November 25, 2007 Share Posted November 25, 2007 We should be thankful to get 1 point out of such a perforance. It shows that this season the race is wide open. Our main competitors will drop points too. We must get most points in the derbies against AEK, gavroi. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NikosVazelas Posted November 25, 2007 Share Posted November 25, 2007 considering we played like crap and after the two week layoff, a point is more than welcome. no one said it would be easy in alkazar and lets not forget that all teams go there not only us. aek won after ofi was reduced to 10 men after a questionable foul and then scored 4 goals. befo4re that ofi looked great. aek have aris next week and then in 3 weeks they play the gavro. points will be lost. the only good thing is that the protathlima is long and at least we fought back to tie it this year whereas last year we would of prob lost by 2 or 3 goals. i.e. ionikos. the big teams always have trouble after the national break as pao had 11 players away from the team including the u-21's its hard to maintain ur rythym in a game after the team was split up for 10 days. plus we are still 2 points up on the gavro. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheCity1924 Posted November 25, 2007 Share Posted November 25, 2007 considering we played like crap and after the two week layoff, a point is more than welcome. no one said it would be easy in alkazar and lets not forget that all teams go there not only us. aek won after ofi was reduced to 10 men after a questionable foul and then scored 4 goals. befo4re that ofi looked great. aek have aris next week and then in 3 weeks they play the gavro. points will be lost. the only good thing is that the protathlima is long and at least we fought back to tie it this year whereas last year we would of prob lost by 2 or 3 goals. i.e. ionikos. the big teams always have trouble after the national break as pao had 11 players away from the team including the u-21's its hard to maintain ur rythym in a game after the team was split up for 10 days. plus we are still 2 points up on the gavro. Wow niko....you have to immediately question the red card......if PAO won they would have been in first place, end of story.Anyway, the protathlima is long and all teams will slip up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NikosVazelas Posted November 25, 2007 Share Posted November 25, 2007 actually it is not my opinion. i was watching the pao game but my grandad told me that aek were granted a free red card. either way, it would of been astonishing to see ofi beat aek. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
athinaios Posted November 25, 2007 Share Posted November 25, 2007 My impression is that the ref was brave enough to show the red card to a player who tackled from behind without even trying to get to the ball. Correct decision. I don't think OFI had a chance even with 11 Anyway, let's not get off topic. The break was bad for us, especially considering that PAO supplies several players to national teams while the coach cannot work with them. Nevertheless, Pesseiro has to take another look. I see that a certain combination of players produces a better chemistry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NikosVazelas Posted November 25, 2007 Share Posted November 25, 2007 wow the 1st pao goal looked to be offside. another game ael get screwed after the aek,atromitos and iraklis game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyberfish Posted November 25, 2007 Share Posted November 25, 2007 Nevertheless, Pesseiro has to take another look. I see that a certain combination of players produces a better chemistry.Spot on. The break cannot be blamed for this performance. benching your first scorer for no reason and fielding two strikers who have combined for one goal in the last 8 Superleague games is not exactly a smart move. This was a pitiful performance and we are lucky Larissa only scored twice. We can thank Galinovic for this, and the Larissa players for squandering some good chances. AEL was a much better team than us today in all aspects of the game. The old saying "we fell from the Acropolis and even found a wallet" fits perfectly here. We need to tighten things up if we want to compete for a championship this year. Rotation is good when there is a reason, but rotating players just to keep them all happy will produce performances like this. Overall we were always second to the ball, and we could not push it forward before Larissa had formed two lines in front of us. Worst yet, we gifted the ball way too easily, and we failed to slow the opponents in midfield (or Larissa did a great job getting behind our midfielders with some speed). Our defense was constantly exposed this way and besides Morris, none of the other ones seemed capable to dispossess Larissa's forwards with any consistency. Our forwards (well, one of them really) were completely isolated and never found any space when they did get the ball. How we scored two goals is a miracle (the first was offside) since we did not have any other chances to score. The players: Galinovic is largely responsible we did not concede four or five goals today. He had a couple of world class saves and he is not responsible for either of the goals (the first one was deflected on Sariegi). Vintra was constantly exposed in the first half and he did a decent job defensively given that he got no support from the midfielder in front of him until Dimoutsos entered. Fyssas had a nightmare of a game. He could not stop his oppponents to save his life, he did not help on offense, and surprisingly for his experience, he found himself out of position many many times. I thought Larissa targeted him deliberately, and for some reason he did not get any help from the midfielders either. Sariegi looks to me like he is floundering on the pitch. He looks very insecure, very slow, very our of position, and very short for a PAO CB. I know some here on the forum have high regard for his skills, but I have never seen him play before, and from the games I've seen him with Pao, the guy just is not PAO material. I don't mean to say that he is responsible for this tie, but I expect PAO's CB to dominate the box on high balls, and to frustrate the opposing CF. Maybe he has better games in him, but I don't have the patience to wait for a veteran player to develop during our championship run. Morris fought hard and at times it seemed like he was the only one on defense that could stop opponents one on one. Mattos had his worst game this year. He scored a lucky goal, but he was constantly our of position and trailed the play way too many times. He did help to move the ball forward from defense better than the other midfielders though. Tziolis also had a bad game. He scored an offside goal, but other than that he found himself chasing Larissa players from behind. Karagounis was really really bad. If there was one player that should had been rotated today, that was Karagounis. Ivanschitz was the only midfielder that pushed the ball forward with some success and it's a mystery why he was replaced in the second half. Dimoutsos came in for Ivan (Karagounis should had been the one replaced) and breathed some life into our midfield. He helped Vintra defensively, and moved forward with authority. As far as I am concerned he deserves to be a starter over Karagounis. Papadopoulos was also pretty bad today. He did absolutely nothing. Mind you he did not get any service in the box, but this is not excuse for loosing the ball every time he had it on his feet. N'doye worked hard outside the box and could had scored, but the guy does not strike me as a striker. Maybe I'll change my mind if he starts scoring, but to date he has not scored yet (in the Superleague). Darlas finally replaced Karagounis sometime mid-way through the second half and he had some good and bad moments. He was way better than Karagounis though. Salpigidis came in for Papadopoulos and I don't remember him touching the ball. Bottom line: if we repeat this kind of performance a couple more times I'll say goodbye to this championship. But as was pointed out before by Nikos and Athinaios, this is a long race and both AEK and Olympiakos will drop points, so no need to panic yet. Next game (Dec. 1, at 7:00 PM): PAO - Xanthi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOLLYWOOD Posted November 25, 2007 Author Share Posted November 25, 2007 thats horrible; we have a break from Europe this week (having a bye in the Uefa cup) and we should have won this game no matter what!! i mean both oly n aek have a match this week in europe (CL n Eufa) and they didnt drop s%$#!... just when pao make two steps forward they take one step back... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billyzaf Posted November 25, 2007 Share Posted November 25, 2007 I think we lacked creativity and proper circulation of the ball today. AEL midfielders dominated the game and we pose no serious threat at any time. Where is a Borelli when you need him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadBoy13 Posted November 25, 2007 Share Posted November 25, 2007 o gkalitsios simera mas ekane oli ti zimia... i hope na ton paroume kai na dioksoume ton vyntra.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pao123 Posted November 25, 2007 Share Posted November 25, 2007 poor game..we have much better football in us then this...hopefully peseiro will stick it to the players and let them know these performances are not good enough..overall im not very worried..half the team just came back from intl duty so im not very surprised this happen..it isnt a good enough excuse but looking at the season so far, i dont think we will have a problem bouncing back...congrats to larissa though, they are a better sqaud then their position on the table shows.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsoglani Posted November 26, 2007 Share Posted November 26, 2007 Nevertheless, Pesseiro has to take another look. I see that a certain combination of players produces a better chemistry.Spot on. The break cannot be blamed for this performance. benching your first scorer for no reason and fielding two strikers who have combined for one goal in the last 8 Superleague games is not exactly a smart move. This was a pitiful performance and we are lucky Larissa only scored twice. We can thank Galinovic for this, and the Larissa players for squandering some good chances. AEL was a much better team than us today in all aspects of the game. The old saying "we fell from the Acropolis and even found a wallet" fits perfectly here. We need to tighten things up if we want to compete for a championship this year. Rotation is good when there is a reason, but rotating players just to keep them all happy will produce performances like this. Overall we were always second to the ball, and we could not push it forward before Larissa had formed two lines in front of us. Worst yet, we gifted the ball way too easily, and we failed to slow the opponents in midfield (or Larissa did a great job getting behind our midfielders with some speed). Our defense was constantly exposed this way and besides Morris, none of the other ones seemed capable to dispossess Larissa's forwards with any consistency. Our forwards (well, one of them really) were completely isolated and never found any space when they did get the ball. How we scored two goals is a miracle (the first was offside) since we did not have any other chances to score. The players: Galinovic is largely responsible we did not concede four or five goals today. He had a couple of world class saves and he is not responsible for either of the goals (the first one was deflected on Sariegi). Vintra was constantly exposed in the first half and he did a decent job defensively given that he got no support from the midfielder in front of him until Dimoutsos entered. Fyssas had a nightmare of a game. He could not stop his oppponents to save his life, he did not help on offense, and surprisingly for his experience, he found himself out of position many many times. I thought Larissa targeted him deliberately, and for some reason he did not get any help from the midfielders either. Sariegi looks to me like he is floundering on the pitch. He looks very insecure, very slow, very our of position, and very short for a PAO CB. I know some here on the forum have high regard for his skills, but I have never seen him play before, and from the games I've seen him with Pao, the guy just is not PAO material. I don't mean to say that he is responsible for this tie, but I expect PAO's CB to dominate the box on high balls, and to frustrate the opposing CF. Maybe he has better games in him, but I don't have the patience to wait for a veteran player to develop during our championship run. Morris fought hard and at times it seemed like he was the only one on defense that could stop opponents one on one. Mattos had his worst game this year. He scored a lucky goal, but he was constantly our of position and trailed the play way too many times. He did help to move the ball forward from defense better than the other midfielders though. Tziolis also had a bad game. He scored an offside goal, but other than that he found himself chasing Larissa players from behind. Karagounis was really really bad. If there was one player that should had been rotated today, that was Karagounis. Ivanschitz was the only midfielder that pushed the ball forward with some success and it's a mystery why he was replaced in the second half. Dimoutsos came in for Ivan (Karagounis should had been the one replaced) and breathed some life into our midfield. He helped Vintra defensively, and moved forward with authority. As far as I am concerned he deserves to be a starter over Karagounis. Papadopoulos was also pretty bad today. He did absolutely nothing. Mind you he did not get any service in the box, but this is not excuse for loosing the ball every time he had it on his feet. N'doye worked hard outside the box and could had scored, but the guy does not strike me as a striker. Maybe I'll change my mind if he starts scoring, but to date he has not scored yet (in the Superleague). Darlas finally replaced Karagounis sometime mid-way through the second half and he had some good and bad moments. He was way better than Karagounis though. Salpigidis came in for Papadopoulos and I don't remember him touching the ball. Bottom line: if we repeat this kind of performance a couple more times I'll say goodbye to this championship. But as was pointed out before by Nikos and Athinaios, this is a long race and both AEK and Olympiakos will drop points, so no need to panic yet. Next game (Dec. 1, at 7:00 PM): PAO - Xanthi I dont really think that our problem where our epithetikoi.Our team didnt mostly get as far as the opponent goal. Our problem was located in the midfield. Rotation hasnt been there a great issue. IMO our Midfield should look yesterday something like this Dimoutsos Matos Karagounis Darlas. Even if Kara hasnt have a pause he would perform better than Tziolis who hasnt had a break from the beggining of the season. Darlas is in good condition and he would perform better than kara on that side. And Dimoutsos did better that Ivanschitz yesterday. Ndoi was yesterday awful. I think with Salpi from the begging together with PAP would could have reached more. Beside this though i think we shouldnt judge once more the decisions our coach made even if we think some where maybe wrong. Most of us screamed when they heard about Mantzios and Enaka beeing starters against AEK but afterwards we saw the great Job both did and we where saying what a great coach we have. Since we are not in the team we cant know what our coach knows. Thad doesnt mean that we cant criticize but we should keep low tones. The championship has still a great path to go. And the positios will change very often i think this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drakos13 Posted November 28, 2007 Share Posted November 28, 2007 bad performance, and Peseiro's retarded substitutions will catch up with him 2-1 down and you bring in Darlas a defensive player who hasnt played even in the friendlies?? also his subs vs AEK (wasting 3 subs 2-1 up with 30 mins to go all on forwards is not smart from any perspective, even if his choice is to atack then save 1 sub for emergencies!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsoglani Posted November 28, 2007 Share Posted November 28, 2007 bad performance, and Peseiro's retarded substitutions will catch up with him 2-1 down and you bring in Darlas a defensive player who hasnt played even in the friendlies?? also his subs vs AEK (wasting 3 subs 2-1 up with 30 mins to go all on forwards is not smart from any perspective, even if his choice is to atack then save 1 sub for emergencies!) You are wrong my friend about Darlas not having played in Friendlys. Darlas has played about 20 mins in game before AEK if i remember right and also in both friendly's in the national break. He may has been a defensiv player in the past but in the games he so far has played as a midfieldwinger he has done much better work. In the last friendly against Ilisiakos he prepared 2 of the 3 goals and won a penalty. He won aswell a penaltie in the other game he played as a substitude but NDoi shot it out. IMO his choise of Darlas wasnt bad but he should have put him starter. Same goes here for Dimoutsos.So dont only criticize but get yourself informed before you do so. This is just a friendly hint and no offense. I agree with you that in the game against AEK he did his subs way too soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drakos13 Posted November 28, 2007 Share Posted November 28, 2007 bad performance, and Peseiro's retarded substitutions will catch up with him 2-1 down and you bring in Darlas a defensive player who hasnt played even in the friendlies?? also his subs vs AEK (wasting 3 subs 2-1 up with 30 mins to go all on forwards is not smart from any perspective, even if his choice is to atack then save 1 sub for emergencies!) You are wrong my friend about Darlas not having played in Friendlys. Darlas has played about 20 mins in game before AEK if i remember right and also in both friendly's in the national break. He may has been a defensiv player in the past but in the games he so far has played as a midfieldwinger he has done much better work. In the last friendly against Ilisiakos he prepared 2 of the 3 goals and won a penalty. He won aswell a penaltie in the other game he played as a substitude but NDoi shot it out. IMO his choise of Darlas wasnt bad but he should have put him starter. Same goes here for Dimoutsos.So dont only criticize but get yourself informed before you do so. This is just a friendly hint and no offense. I agree with you that in the game against AEK he did his subs way too soon. i know he probably played in mid season friendlys, but so do a ton of other worthless players..... i mean this summers friendlys anyways, those are the ones I was following..the point is the guy has barely played and defensive minded and comes on when we needed TWO goals to win the match....... I didnt watch him wtih Illisiakos - maybe he did do well offensively but thats not making him a go-to player when we need another two goals.....Illisiakos in a friendly and AEL in Larisa for the league is a lot more different situation... I dont think his recent performance in a friendly vs a second division team is enough to justify bringing him in... didnt say anything about Dimoutsos, hes a fighter and he can play all around the pitch...him i can understand coming on....darlas not so much.... anyways it matters not we tied...but that sub, along with the bizarre AEK one Jose's luck could run out is the point I wanted to make... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadBoy13 Posted November 28, 2007 Share Posted November 28, 2007 re den stamatame leo ego tis mourmoures.. ola mas ksinizoun kai mas vromane.. eleos pia.. ferame 2-2 me mia metria emfanisi... ok paei teleiose.. koitame parakato... o Peseiro so far ta paei mia xara.. autes tis allages eixe ston pagko autous evale mesa... isos na min eprepe na vgalei ton ivan alla to na kathomaste edo kai na leme an an an.. den tha vgaloume tipota... oloi kanoun lathoi kai tha kanoun alla prepei na eimaste dipla stin omada kai ston proponiti an theloume na pame mprosta.. eidalos tha mas faei i mizeria opos palia... as eimaste ligo aisiodoksoi pia.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsoglani Posted November 29, 2007 Share Posted November 29, 2007 re den stamatame leo ego tis mourmoures.. ola mas ksinizoun kai mas vromane.. eleos pia.. ferame 2-2 me mia metria emfanisi... ok paei teleiose.. koitame parakato... o Peseiro so far ta paei mia xara.. autes tis allages eixe ston pagko autous evale mesa... isos na min eprepe na vgalei ton ivan alla to na kathomaste edo kai na leme an an an.. den tha vgaloume tipota... oloi kanoun lathoi kai tha kanoun alla prepei na eimaste dipla stin omada kai ston proponiti an theloume na pame mprosta.. eidalos tha mas faei i mizeria opos palia... as eimaste ligo aisiodoksoi pia.. Simfono apolita mazi sou Fastgreek.I Omada mas se genikes grames paei kala. O Peseiro exei apodeiksei oti ine enas sovaros kai kalos proponitis. Pou den kolaei se 11 paixtes gia na bgaloun oloi tin saizon. PAO Gera me TSAMPOUKA kai apo to Sabbatokiriako pali Number 1 stin Superleague. Kai AEK kai Oly tha fane ta moutra tous this Weekend. :box: :box: :box: :box: :box: :box: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadBoy13 Posted November 29, 2007 Share Posted November 29, 2007 e nai re tsoglani, den paei allo auti i katastasi... katalaves ti ennow?? diladi kanoume ena metrio mats kai ta vazoume me ton darla kai ton peseiro epeidi ton evale na paiksei... eno ksexname ti edose o peseiro se proigoumena paixnidia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsoglani Posted November 29, 2007 Share Posted November 29, 2007 e nai re tsoglani, den paei allo auti i katastasi... katalaves ti ennow?? diladi kanoume ena metrio mats kai ta vazoume me ton darla kai ton peseiro epeidi ton evale na paiksei... eno ksexname ti edose o peseiro se proigoumena paixnidia. Simfono apolita mazi sou. Aplos ego dilosa pos ean borei kapoios na pei oti o Peseiro ekane lathos tote kata tin gnomi mou (pragma pou den tou to xreono omos) sto oti den evale Darla Dimoutso apo tin arxi.O Peseiro pantos gia mena eine safos anoteros tou Munioz pou eixe kolisi se 11 paixtes kai den ksekolouse me tipota. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
athinaios Posted November 30, 2007 Share Posted November 30, 2007 .. It's a sport, many factors determine a game, mistakes too. Anyone who's played a sport for a while knows that those who win and stay ontop are those who consistently make the FEWER mistakes. NO ONE has a perfect game. I don't think we can say we have a great team, but neither that we should start killing each other. Yes, it helps to also note the point where we started ;) and where we are today :rolleyes: I see improvement, I like seeing that! In the end, we'll see what we've achieved. I have a hunch that this season will be much better than the last couple ones. [ok, I know, safe bet :whistle: ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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