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    Croatia - Greece ( Round 2, 1st Leg, 9 Nov. 2017, Stadion Maksimir, Zagreb )

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    1 minute ago, jvc said:

    You're 100 percent wrong.  Team took steps forward....we had key players out yesterday,  and the goalkeeper had a rare bad game.   You guys keep blaming the coaching every year,  even a SANTOS hater.   THE TEAM OVERACHIED THIS CAMPAIGN.

    Even a Santos hater??? are serious or are you just speaking out of your ass bro?? I loved santos and was so pissed that he left so don't shoot your mouth off if you don't know what the f... you're talking about..

    Croatia - Greece ( Round 2, 1st Leg, 9 Nov. 2017, Stadion Maksimir, Zagreb )

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    Skank losing so badly in a playoff game when everything was on the line is NOT a step forward its actually a step back... I understand the Euro campaign was horrible and this campaign was much better but I refuse to believe out team was as bad as we looked in the euro qualifiers. We lost our captain and some veterans after the world cup, we lost our coach we introduced newer players a different system and there was no leadership.. Don't kid yourself this is not a step forward as we were not as bad as we seemed just to many changes in such a short time.. Before it was all said and done we have gone through 4 coaches in less then two years.... As long as our mid consists of Samaris who just doesn't it cut it for me  we will struggle.. as long as we don't use our younger faster winger we will struggle. lets see what happens Sunday and then we will see what decisions are made for the next campaign who ever our coach is. I will tell you even though I want skibbe gone if we do get a new coach it may be very difficult to even qualify for the euros as there will be another transition period of trying things out and a new system which may cost us some games to some weaker teams..

    Croatia - Greece ( Round 2, 1st Leg, 9 Nov. 2017, Stadion Maksimir, Zagreb )

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    do you actually have hope that Skibbe will field a line up and setting a formation that will allow us to even have a shot at a couple goals?? Skibbe right now is playing for his job and he will play a style not to concede and he will also be happy with a 1-0 win or a draw just to keep face...He will not risk pushing guys forward and have the results end up like last game as he doesn't want to go out like that.. This game will be a "boring defensive game" we will play the majority of our players back and again play not to concede. In Skibbes mind its over he just wants to prove his defensive style works and save face.. The style we need to play to get 3 goals Skibbe wont allow it..

    Croatia - Greece ( Round 2, 1st Leg, 9 Nov. 2017, Stadion Maksimir, Zagreb )

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    26 minutes ago, bbaw said:

    now THATS some funny a** sh**..........lol lol lol   ----------- all you guys make great points...

    now with the benefit of a day to reflect here are my thoughts: 

    big picture: we are an average to above average team that MUST play an "A" game collectively to compete against the bigger, better sides. (see Belgium 1-1 draw)  The more "talent" the bigger margin of error, so you can play a "B" game and still win...not us with this group of players. 

    bigger Philosophical picture: traditionally, our soccer mentality and identity never includes an attacking style, rather we (against bigger teams) ALWAYS sit back and try to absorb pressure and really start getting going after about 20 minutes....(see Germany 4-2 loss a while back as an example)  This allows the other team to dictate the pace of the game and allows THEM to put THEIR stamp on the pitch

    Why? CONFIDENCE, and a feeling of inferiority......Look how we came out against GIbralter vs. yesterday...why? we feared Croatia's offense and elected to sit back, giving them WAY more resepct than they deserved. 

    smaller picture: our midfield absolutely SUCKS. no movement , no off the ball tactics, no attacking open spaces, no creativity ---its like nobody wanted the ball yesterday ----how many times did we kick it back to swiss cheese karnezis (who is awful by the way) 

    coach: i know sokratis said dont blame the coach, but im sorry coach should put u in the best position to be successful. Not only did he not do that, but when it became obvious to EVERYONE that we needed to press higher up - especially after 4-1 he does very little to flip the script. Why was this SSSSSSSSSSSSOOOOOOO bad? Aside form the obvious, the few chances we had (and they were not great chances) each time the Croat defense looked very very shaky. As a coach u need to see that, evaluate it and adjust in the moment....he did not do that. 

    Now im sure many will say "ah, we gave them two gifts, etc. etc. etc. but thats even more reason for the coach to make adjustments....we simply dont have the luxury of making many mistakes in one game. and thats what happened yesterday.

    Kpap and Maniatis were SSSSSSSSSSSSSSOOOOOOOOO behind every play they go burned on it was laughable....

    Its the worst big, important game i've seen in along long time....

    manolas, donis, toro, mantalos and we are going back to AThens with a 80% chance to qualify. Without those guys well, u c what happened...I did not thinl one guy (manolas) could make such a big difference but his absence was HUGE. Two goals dont go in if he was there....

    so you put all these things together and its a recipe for disaster. 

     

    SO what now:

    ATTACK ATTACK ATTACK........WE are very capable of winning 3-0.....Can we? Well, just like we had a stinker of a game, so can the Croats. I said this BEFORE the game yesterday, fearing the strategy that they always employ, and unfortunately thats what happened.

    We have to put fresh legs to chase the ball, pressure them and just press forward for 90 plus minutes. Their defense is shaky and with the right amount of pressure I know we can score a few goals WHILE KEEPING THEIR OFFENSE out of our zone.

     

     

     

     

    I think if we kept it at 3-1 then maybe we could pull it off with some luck but to ask Greece to go out and get 3 goals in 90mn against Croatia is a pipe dream... If we get a 2-0 lead before half time then we can talk but for now its OVER. The only team we scored more then 2 goals against was Gibraltar the entire campaign. I'm not expecting a full stadium anymore on Sunday... This is going to be so depressing when the fifa draw for the world cup groups and even worse when the world cup starts this summer... 

    Croatia - Greece ( Round 2, 1st Leg, 9 Nov. 2017, Stadion Maksimir, Zagreb )

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    Posted · Edited by J1078

    I'm still absoloutly embarrassed and stunned.... we didn't even look this bad in our last euro qualifier.. I think this needs to be a reality check that ever since the last World Cup we have completely gone down hill and I have to agree with some of the previous posters that we may be missing tournaments for years to come.. very depressing...

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