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Gyros, we almost already are the North Korea of Europe. 25% reduction in GDP thanks to the EU's policies/medicine is not exactly an economic miracle. They helped organise and gave us the 1st bailout deal. Didn't work. Then a 2nd, which also hasn't worked. Give it time and there will be talk of a 3rd deal, although I suspect the EU is hanging on in the hope of a change of government so that they have someone more malleable to deal with. Ultimately, they want what they want and don't care how they get it. If you want a Greek government that just does exactly what the EU says, then why even have governments anymore ... which incidentally the EU would love. The EU is not interested and does not care if Greece has unemployment of 99% as long as they get their money. Which is all well and good, except the EU has become this schizophrenic entity. The entire purpose and reason for the existence of the EU was to unify Europe. Instead, their policies since 2008 are doing the opposite. They are not playing the game for the benefit of Europe but generally for the benefit of the financial elite. And now, that Greece is pushing back and saying there needs to be a better way, they get all pissy. I can understand their point of view, why should they listen to a people who are fat, lazy and lying thieves ? The audacity! And yes, that is how a lot of the shallow media portrays Greece. The EU is becoming a tyrant, and you can see the results all over Europe. As to what the best strategy is to get the best possible deal for Greece, I actually think Greece is doing the best thing. The end game hasn't been decided yet. Our options are comply and face at least 20+ years of the same or worse than now, or fight back. I'd rather die standing up than on my knees.

The problem Original 21, is that you're being logical, and PAOK doesn't work like that. We like to do things backwards ;) Let's see what happens. If our selection of a TD is as successful as what we have been at picking managers, lord help us.

A big team wouldn't have lost 3 games in the third division. They shouldn't have talked s%$#! about us and focused on their own xalia. F*** them. Not to mention how they sold their souls to the gavroi to get 4 players on loan. They were the biggest paratima their last 3 seasons.

pame gera na paroume to diplo kai na bgoume prwtoi sta play off ! EMPROS AHTEEEEE DIKEFALEEEEE ! :)

exactly. i've never even been to phoenix landing, but i see that you and i imagine similarly. if we got back to rubbing elbows with the likes of arsenal... i went with my gunner roomie to the arsenal bar once and it'd be great to go in there with a few paoktzides for a european match. a man can dream!

I will add to your great sentence... If we follow this very logical plan you are suggesting Original 21, then we may win some titles and obviously Savvidis (and the rest of the jokes, called

Diamantidis>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Spanoulis I agree with the rest of your post though.

Aris didn't get promoted from G ethniki hahaha that's what they get for talking s%$#! about AEK when we were relegated. Mia zoi sthn G ethniki tha einai ta skoulikia.

LOL what do you mean by lawsuits? Who exactly have they approached? What a bunch of losers threatening with legal actions over opinions on internet forums hahaha, how pathetic. Goes to show you how "democratic" the gauro way of thinking is. Wow, what happened at gs.com must have really left their asses sore. Bravo re Amorge, their ass still stings from what you did to those trolls. WE DID THIS TO YOU ahahahaha :lol: :lol: :lol:

gyros, I must admit I'm not sure if Tsipras and Co. know what they are doing or not. It all depends on what he wants to achieve. If what he wants is better terms for Greece but to still stay in the EU, then I believe his tactics are correct. Now, he might be doing this because he genuinely cares for the country, or because he's made the promise to the people and can't back down now or he'd look like an idiot and get smashed in the next election. I can only speculate as to his motivation ... So, let's say his goal is to get better terms. There is no way in hell the EU wants to relax the terms. There are a number of reasons for this. - It sets a really bad precedent for other nations. If Greece can renegotiate, why can't they. - It will make them look foolish and weak to "serious" people. The EU has been telling the world that they know what they are doing, they are responsible, Greece is reckless, lazy etc. for 5 years now. To suddenly do a u-turn and admit they are wrong, well ... that ain't going to happen easily. - It will make them look foolish to their electorate. They've sold the aforementioned views to their public as well, and most of them leading busy lives only have a short time to analyze a situation in another country, have come to the conclusion that Greece is at fault etc. - It will hurt their pride. Admitting that the EU project has failed a country, is something some of the technocrats in the EU could ever admit. You are talking about people here who consider the EU in almost religious terms. So, what do we have ? We have determined the EU will not relax the terms willingly. If they do relax the terms, they would need to do so in a way that still makes them look good, but in order to get this, Tsipras has to force the situation. So a lot of people will be thinking, "but the EU could kick Greece out". That is a small possibility. But I just don't think it's going to happen. Although it will make the EU look good to their electorate, in economic terms (and economics always play a massive role), it's a huge f**king gamble. At a minimum, the creditors can kiss their billions good bye. Bye bye German and French pension funds. The ECB better start printing money to stabilise the banks etc. It could get crazy messy or it could go fairly smooth. The value of the Euro would in time go up, since their economy is "stronger" now that they got rid of a weak link, and they would have lost a small export market in Greece. If the EU could look into a crystal ball and confirm that it wouldn't be any worse than that, then they would probably kick Greece out. But here's the thing. You can't know that! What if after 5 or 7 or 10 years Greece lands on its feet ok ? What if at that stage, Portugal or Italy or France see this and think, maybe we should do the same ? Of course their governments won't want to, but their people will put the pressure on to leave the EU. Look how well Greece is doing now they would say! So, back to my point. As much as the EU postures about kicking Greece out or not giving them funds, I think it's an empty threat. I think Tsipras knows this and therefore in purely business/strategic terms, he's playing a tricky game, but one where he could get a good result. Gotta get me some popcorn and watch the show.

I don't mind his passion on the court or when needed to protect the team What I mind is his wannabe attitude that makes this glorious division lose some of its glamor! You want to be smart??? Hire Obradovis and shut the F*** up