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Tickets will inevitably come down to encourage people to go. I remember 100drx in 1985 and 500drx in 1992 Champions League and even in 1996.

Yianiotis: The CDs are good. My only criticism is that they are dragging it over so many weeks by featuring only 1 game in 1 CD, or 1 game 1 week. This will go on for weeks. But from a commercial point you can understand why Sportime are doing it this way. As for the CDs content, each has extended highlights from a Euro match in a particular year. Last week was the mates in UEFA against Auxerre in 86/87 season which we won. It's part of that great run that beat Juve. There is also interviews with the players like Antoniou, Livathinos, Dimopoulos, Rotsa, etc. wgo describe the game and comment on it. I reccommend you ask a family member to buy it and send you it like I do because they are worth having. Next Tuesday it's the games against Juve when we kicked their asses. :)

I had the same thoughts many times. I remember thinking that at the time Hysel happened. I recently watched that evropaiki poreia again of 84/85 again through the cds I get from Sportime. That was such a magnificant occasion. I was at OAKA when we beat Gotenborg to go to the semis against Liverpool and I will never forget the silence on the 88th minute when Saravakos was behind the ball waiting to take the penalty. The silence was deafening...it was the loudest most tense silence ever !!!!! But of course o mikros scored and sent us to 7th heaven :nw: Will we ever see another Saravakos at PAO?

Protathlitis: English stadiums don't have athletics tracks around them. That has never been the English style. In fact it was the English who have always had the stadiums built for football only. I don't particularly like the stadiums with ccurving roofs either but places like Wigan and Reading and Hull City are very similar to Karaiskaki style as are Sunderland and Middlesboro's new grounds. If you have time have a search on the internet for them, you will see what I mean.

Like these:

It looks a bit too closed, suffocating. It reminds me of Centre Court at Wimbledon although that's far smaller because it's a tennis court. I like to see something more open and spacious. And who cares about Kokaliskaki? It's nothing special as I have said before. In England even small clubs like Hull City, Wigan, Reading and Leicester have better looking and bigger stadiums that were built recently. Kokaliskaki is new to the Greek standards but it's bettered exists almost everywhere in Europe. I want something that stands one level above the rest. Like everything else with PAO,I want us to be the place people talk about when they think of stadia in Greece. Just like they think PANATHINAIKOS when you mention Greek football.

That's good news about Votanikou but if the stadium ends up looking anything like the one on the picture from Sportday then it's the ugliest ###### stadium in Europe. Noway that's the final sketch because they haven't even made the final decision yet and judging by how long things take to complete in Greece..... :P But the good news is that there is now opportunity for all tomies tou PAO to go in the same area, there will be a kolimvitirio and a kleisto of about 10000/15000. AT LAST. Let's hope there won't be any blocks. But dimos will want a share of the profits and so will the company that builds it. The club will have to plan for an extensive commercial and emporiki excercise if they are to make any money from it.

That is funny :LOL: but also tragic :( because every time we wanted to build somewhere some problem came up.Let's hope the same will not happen with Votaniko. But something tells me that it will. We will see.

:LOL: This post shows you know nothing about the recent history of this issue. A few years ago and well before Kokalis grabbed Karaiskaki, even well before he had plans of rebuilding it, Vardinnogiannis approached the PASOK government with the plans to rebuild Leoforos into a modern stadium which can be used for the Olympics. This was originally our plan and idea, not OSFP. When this plan and other variations were refused and ignored by PASOK, the same government gave this permission to Kokalis to rebuild Karaiskaki. The idea that it would be used for the Olympics was not new, it was taken from the suggestion first made by Vardinnogianis to the government. So when you say "if it wasn't for Olympiakos building Karaiskaki would Pao be building a stadio??" the answer is YES. If it wasn't for PAO proposing this to the government, Kokalis would not have built PASOKOGIPEDO aka Kokaliskaki. So please get your facts right before you post here.

athinaios:There is a big difference between the American mentality and the Europen mentality. For the sake of argument let's consider Greek way of thinking about such things the same as the rest of Europe because when compared to America there is a clear distinction. No offence intended, but your American example is a little irrelevant. For starters American sports teams are frenchises, nothing more nothing less. They can uproot from one city and relocate in another and like everything else American there is no history and tradition or any understanding of such things. Like everything else, Americans have little understanding of heritage or history or sentimentality. Again I don't mean any offence here sp please don’t take any. Your point about PAO being 'a modern company with professional people' is all well and good but one thing these professional modern businessmen can not ignore is the opinion and the feelings of fans. You can't run a successful business by pissing off your main customer base. As Malcome Glazer has proven in his attempt to buy Manchester United Americans maybe successful businessmen in sports but one thing they don't understand is how things are done in Europe and have no respect for wishes of the fans. Sentimentality runs far deeper than any business or profit. PAO fans want the club in Athens. Most of them will follow a bankrupt PAO in fourth division playing at Leoforos than a rich PAO that plays outside its traditions in a 60000 modern stadium and doesn't represent them or their history and ideals.

Well, I am a kifissiotis and although I don;t live in athens now I had no problems going to Leoforos. If I had to go to Elliniko the trip itself wouldn't be a problem either. I would go as far as Voula and Vari and even further. the distance is not a problem. The problem is history. PAO is an Athens club and all PAO fans from wherever they are must accept that. I love PAO because of its history and because its an Athens club. Nevermind that I am an Athenian and am proud of the team from my city because i understand that there are thousands of PAO fans who are not from athens and don;t feel the same pride about athens but still they love PAO regardless. We are proud of PAO fans like that. PAO is an Athens club and must stay within the municipality.

and this very good point is at the heart pf it all. Ask yourselves gents, wehere do we want our history to continue to be written? do we want it to be where it began and where it has always beeen or do we want to uproot it and go somewhere where there is no relation? In football as in life, if you lose your identity and roots you lose your very purpose for existence. Do we want PAO to make history in its birthplace, or not? If not, then let's take the show on the road. I say we go to Patras :P

athinaios: No bets from me because I fear you maybe right :( But one point to make about what you said. If we go to Elliniko, the other tmimata tis omadas will not be in the same place as you say because they have been given a place at Goudi. I would like PAO to stay at Leoforos but it's not realistic as the space is far to limited. Goudilooks a distant possibility now and Votaniko the same, which leaves..... :(

Even with a million trams and trains and buses, NO TO ELLINIKO PAO IS AN ATHENS CLUB AND MUST STAY AN ATHENS CLUB. THIS WILL MOVE NOT ONLY PAO FOOTBALL TEAM BUT PAO ITS HISTORY TO AN ASXETO AREA.