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  1. SL–R25: PAOK - AEK (11 Mar 18, 19:30 EET)

    Edit...off topic
  2. SL–R25: PAOK - AEK (11 Mar 18, 19:30 EET)

    I have watched MLS for the past ten years, and though it was really poor quality to start off with, it has improved vastly. Most, if not all teams, have academies that with proper training facilities. For example, when AC Milan came to Toronto, they had nothing but great words to say about Toronto's practice facilities. Yes, there may be a quirky roster rules, with salary caps, etc. But the league is very healthy financially, and the play is improving. There is parity, but also room to grow. There are several teams that are standing out in terms of scouting. Also, most teams have world class stadiums that draw very good crowds. If the quality of MLS hasn't passed the Greek league yet, it will soon. The teams in MLS are much more ambitious. Toronto FC won it's first championship last year, and this year they are talking about wanting to win the CONCAF Champions League so that they can challenge for the World Club Cup. Olympiakos has been winning the Greek league for two decades and what exactly have they (or anyone else in Greece) done in Europe?
  3. SL–R25: PAOK - AEK (11 Mar 18, 19:30 EET)

    Looks like us commonwealthers think alike. You one-upped me with the Royal Commission ;)
  4. SL–R25: PAOK - AEK (11 Mar 18, 19:30 EET)

    I think you're missing the forest for the trees. Yes, the things in Toumba are not acceptable, but they are all connected in the bigger web of issues in Greek soccer in general. You say a "PAOK chairman invaded the pitch carrying a gun and threatened the reff and Dimitriadis." The threats are alleged for one, and second the gun is circumstantial. Again, it was stupid that he carries it. No one is arguing with you on that. But let's not forget that no one even knew about the gun until it was posted by NOVA later. Would you still have the same attitude if there was no gun? If so, then why are you not up in arms for when Theodoridis, and Olympiakos chairman, stormed the pitch and demanded his team leave the pitch? Like I said, I am fine with throwing the book at PAOK, but make sure to thoroughly clean up the rest of Greek soccer too. Savvidis isn't the problem, his behaviour is just a symptom. If we don't fix it from top-bottom, then we will have the same conversation in a few months. Cycle, rinse and repeat.
  5. SL–R25: PAOK - AEK (11 Mar 18, 19:30 EET)

    I agree with your comment 100% regarding Savvidis, being on the pitch. However, saying that this alone is the problem in Greek football is like saying the assassination of Franz Ferdinand caused World War I. It's a lazy argument, and if we treat it as an individual problem, then we will never fix Greek soccer. Punish Savvidis, and punish PAOK - yes, I agree to this. But I also want a proper public inquiry carried out by a foreign third party to investigate WHY these things happen in Greek soccer. You can write an entire thesis about the issues of corruption, and preferential treatment. Yet in typical lazy Greek journalism, all cling to the gun sighting. Yes, it's horrendous, but focussing solely on a weapon that was never drawn distracts from the greater problem. Savvidis was very clear about wanting to take the team off the pitch. He stormed the pitch and acted like a child. It sounds extremely similar to how Theodoridis, Olympiacos' vice president, acted to weeks ago. Except, he picked up his team because a paper roll hit the coach. Why hasn't anyone drawn that comparison? As for the gun, we should ask, why does the owner of a team need to carry one when he already has body guards? Do we honestly think he carries it to shoot down people that disagree with him? If he is a Mafia leader, then he must not be a good one as I am pretty certain they are better at getting others to do their own dirty work. Besides, if he is so corrupt, why publicly threaten the ref in front of literally millions of eyes? Wouldn't he be better off doing that in a more discreet way? Or does he carry the gun for protection? Here's a guy who has forced himself into an already corrupt system and he has ruffled many feathers trying to change the establishment. You don't think he's created new enemies? Heck, a few years ago, Marinakis ordered military style helipcopters to patrol Toumba out of fear that fans may do something to him. And he got his way - as if Greece were a military state! And our issue is that a team owner carries a pistol? Again not condoning publicly walking around with a firearm, but I hope people are better at asking the tough questions than the journalists. There are thousands of problems in Greek society and soccer. Like I said, throw the book at PAOK and Savvidis. They earned it. But if we don't take wider action to investigate the true root cause for all this conflict then there will be other such events in the league, and we will never fix the issues. This is an opportunity to finally make things right. Public Inquiry now!
  6. SL–R25: PAOK - AEK (11 Mar 18, 19:30 EET)

    I think the gun is just ridiculous. I'm not sure what the gun laws are in Greece but as a player or Ref, I wouldn't feel safe if an angry man started charging the field with a gun in his possession. This incident summed up a whole lot of issues in Greek soccer. Incompetent refs who are influenced by out of control pkayers. Angry owners. I think we have reached the tipping point of decades of corruption. The only thing that was missing was fan violence. How is that possible??
  7. SL–R25: PAOK - AEK (11 Mar 18, 19:30 EET)

    I agree in terms of suspending the league. Years from now, this incident will be seen as the Franz Ferdinand moment of Greek soccer. Let's hope it gets fixed!
  8. SL–R25: PAOK - AEK (11 Mar 18, 19:30 EET)

    This is a joke. So why did PAOK win? That goal was debatable as it depends on whether it's believed the player in the offside position interfered. My opinion is he didn't as the keeper was in the position to make the save and made a full attempt. Remove the offside player and he still doesn't make the save. But I can see why one could call it a goal. But then the next events had nothing to do with the game. Below is a link of a similar situation where a goal was given even though an interfering player made a move to the ball (skip to 1:40): First why did the assistant not raise his flag? Then players are ambushing him and the ref. Players from both teams! Then we have Savidis coming on with a gun. I agree, that should never happen, and I question what happened in the locker rooms. The refs were intimidated for certain. The aek players were justified not to come back. I think this season no one should win the championship. The league needs to be dissolved or something.
  9. SL–R25: PAOK - AEK (11 Mar 18, 19:30 EET)

    Right, I was joking about that. And yes, if it was used, this would have been done an over now. It's used in mls. Not perfect. Though not sure if it could be used here anyway. It's only for clear and obvious errors by the ref. You can't call this a clear and obvious error
  10. SL–R25: PAOK - AEK (11 Mar 18, 19:30 EET)

    And if I am aek if be pissed about that. It was a debatable call that could be argued either way. The refs caused this on themselves. The ref awarded a goal first, no flag, then the linesman decides to have a conversation and then it's overruled. Now they need an hour conversation to change that again? Are they using VAR?
  11. SL–R25: PAOK - AEK (11 Mar 18, 19:30 EET)

    What is so messed up here is why does it take an hour to do anything in that country. A foul happens and it's 2 minutes to take. A goal is scored 5 minutes delay. A goal is waved off, an hour. It makes no sense why a decision and action takes so long. Are they taking it to a government committee?
  12. SL–R25: PAOK - AEK (11 Mar 18, 19:30 EET)

    To be honest, it doesn't matter how one chooses to play as long as it's effective to their team. AEK's game plan was perfect and it worked for them. There shouldn't be a problem. It's not AEK's responsibility to play in a way to benefit PAOK
  13. SL–R25: PAOK - AEK (11 Mar 18, 19:30 EET)

    The irony in it all is that the stoppage in play has nothing to do with the fans. I would say this is a step forward for Greek soccer?
  14. SL–R25: PAOK - AEK (11 Mar 18, 19:30 EET)

    Also can someone answer why the assistant didn't raise his flag for offside? Why did he have to talk to the ref before making the call?
  15. SL–R25: PAOK - AEK (11 Mar 18, 19:30 EET)

    When you have back to back home matches end like this, what do you expect? You honestly think a paper roll should end in a default? Followed by an extremely controversial call at the end of this game? And you ask why the owner comes in?