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Apparently it’s official Manolas will be back according to reports. Copy and pasted from Facebook post.

 

 

According to several media, the return of 29-year-old center defender Kostas Manolas is imminent. John van ' t Schip is said to have recalled Manolas for the qualification because he was not removed from the squad forever. Now a comeback is to come for the games against Spain 🇪🇦 and Georgia 🇬🇪.
As it stands with Papastathopoulos and Siovas as well as Mitroglou is not yet known. 🇬🇷

 

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Zeca our best player tonight. Really lucky to get the point though in a game where we did not create anything. Take this as a gift for the country's anniversary. 

Clown post. Be happy tonifht drink some Ouzo

I've been waiting for so long man I've been itching to see them play again, Can't wait. 

3 hours ago, J1078 said:

Apparently it’s official Manolas will be back according to reports. Copy and pasted from Facebook post.

 

 

According to several media, the return of 29-year-old center defender Kostas Manolas is imminent. John van ' t Schip is said to have recalled Manolas for the qualification because he was not removed from the squad forever. Now a comeback is to come for the games against Spain 🇪🇦 and Georgia 🇬🇪.
As it stands with Papastathopoulos and Siovas as well as Mitroglou is not yet known. 🇬🇷

 

I couldn’t be more thrilled. We will need him to get through these qualifiers. The funny thing is he has been out injured for the last few weeks. It shows that JVS is desperate and he understands that if he wants to keep his job he will need to call him up.
 

I don’t think Mitroglou is useful anymore. Unless he starts doing Giakoumakis numbers. 

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6 hours ago, Jimmyp said:

If douvikas, androutsos and ninis see the pitch, I’ve lost all hope for mankind. 

Why? Douvikas is on fire. He’s just the type of striker Greece needs. Mitroglou, Pavlidis and Giakoumakis are all very similar. Big target men. Douvikas on top of finishing, offers loads of pace and skill and can play football. He also presses well and wins possession.

Ok, Androutsos isn’t really a RB but he offers a lot of versatility. Can play nearly everywhere and is a good footballer. Very underrated Greek player. 

You have to see how Ninis has played recently. We have no other midfielder like him. It’s a shame how his career has turned out but at this moment he’s the only one at CM who can offer what we’ve been lacking for so long and that’s creativity. Kourbelis and Zeca aren’t going to create. 

I’d like to know why you think they are all useless?

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You want your best players. If you don't want to include Mitroglou/Papastathopoulos bc they are older, I get it.  Papastathopoulos may offer some leadership/professionalism but I understand.  Attitude and professionalism though are imperative. If you can't offer that, then you don't belong.

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11 hours ago, J1078 said:

Apparently it’s official Manolas will be back according to reports. Copy and pasted from Facebook post.

 

 

According to several media, the return of 29-year-old center defender Kostas Manolas is imminent. John van ' t Schip is said to have recalled Manolas for the qualification because he was not removed from the squad forever. Now a comeback is to come for the games against Spain 🇪🇦 and Georgia 🇬🇪.
As it stands with Papastathopoulos and Siovas as well as Mitroglou is not yet known. 🇬🇷

 

This is incredible news! It will be great to have him on the pitch vs Spain!  

JVS understands how much he is needed if we are to make it to the World Cup...

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That's why we will never accomplished anything as a national team going forward. Really sends a bad message to the players that really want to play for the national team consider it an honor to do so. 

Also if he really starts calling players such as Ninis, Mitroglou, Tzavellas than Schip is taking steps backward after making some progress recently. 

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1 hour ago, Blackhawk said:

That's why we will never accomplished anything as a national team going forward. Really sends a bad message to the players that really want to play for the national team consider it an honor to do so. 

Also if he really starts calling players such as Ninis, Mitroglou, Tzavellas than Schip is taking steps backward after making some progress recently. 

I completely understand where you’re coming from I had felt the same way, but the reality is if we want to win we need our best players. I’m excited that Manolas will be back as he is by far a big name player for us. If he has a humble attitude and takes a leadership role then this could work out great, if he doesn’t and he starts causing problems then JVS can officially cut him. I do think he deserves an opportunity tho and it’s a huge boost for us.

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2 hours ago, J1078 said:

I completely understand where you’re coming from I had felt the same way, but the reality is if we want to win we need our best players. I’m excited that Manolas will be back as he is by far a big name player for us. If he has a humble attitude and takes a leadership role then this could work out great, if he doesn’t and he starts causing problems then JVS can officially cut him. I do think he deserves an opportunity tho and it’s a huge boost for us.

Blackhawks points are valid at the same time I agree that we need Manolas as he is a world class back and maybe the best Greek player on the roster. I think if he’s given a chance he will try very hard to shape up his attitude as this is a huge opportunity to help lead us to a World Cup and it may be the last chance he will ever get to play in another World Cup himsellf.

Manolas will be much needed especially in the matches vs Sweden that will most likely decide who gets second spot and a playoff place.

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13 hours ago, Blackhawk said:

That's why we will never accomplished anything as a national team going forward. Really sends a bad message to the players that really want to play for the national team consider it an honor to do so. 

Also if he really starts calling players such as Ninis, Mitroglou, Tzavellas than Schip is taking steps backward after making some progress recently. 

There’s no evidence to suggest that Manolas doesn’t want to play for the national team. JVS hasn’t picked him because he wanted to see other players. Now that his job is on the line a player like Manolas will be needed in these qualifiers. I agree we should be looking to replace Sokratis, Mitroglou and Samaris are all getting old and we need to find younger players for the future. They are in a different boat to Manolas. 

Svarnas, Lampropoulos, Tzavellas and Stafylidis won’t take us to the World Cup. We struggled to even come 1st in a easy nations league group. It won’t get easier against Spain or Sweden. 

Players like Bakasetas, Svarnas, Tzavellas, Lampropoulos, Kourbelis, Koulouris, Stafylidis, Bakakis and Mavrias aren’t going to take us into the World Cup in my opinion. These players are holding Greece back. We can easily find better replacements. 

Bakasetas seems to be doing well in Turkey but I don’t think he should be playing the 10 role for Greece. I haven’t been impressed. He’s slow, uncoordinated and very basic. 

Svarnas has done alright for Greece but something tells me he isn’t the answer to replace a player like Sokratis or take a spot from a player like Mavropanos. He’s isn’t international quality.

Tzavellas should be no where near the team. I will leave it at that. 

Stafylidis isn’t a CB and hasn’t fully convinced me to be a starter. At LB we are stacked and he isn’t better than  Tsimikas or Giannoulis.

Bakakis and Mavrias. These guys will get destroyed at a World Cup let alone against Spain in a few weeks. These guys aren’t good enough to play RB for Greece and we urgently need to find the best possible replacement.

Lampropoulos he’s 31 and very average.

Kourbelis. I feel that he should be a CB. Isn’t creative enough and let’s us down in attacking phases. We need a better 6. I would replace him with Alexandropoulos for now.

Koulouris has been picked even though he hasn’t played for like months. Very average footballer for me. Scored 20 goals for Atromitos but goes missing for Greece. I dont know what it is and he’s been given enough chances. I believe Douvikas or Ioannidis would be an upgrade over him. Pelkas is another player that can’t turn it up for Greece. 

I’ve just listed and explained the problems within our team. These players would love to play for Greece but they just don’t cut it. You can be very passionate or motivated to play but if you aren’t good enough, you aren’t good enough. 

To conclude, I don’t think there’s one Greek player that doesn’t want to play for the national team in my opinion. If a player doesn’t follow the rules and has a big ego or is being a smart ass in training then yeah I agree that these players shouldn’t be part of the team.

That run in that Manolas and Sokratis had with the EPO was done for the right reasons. Right or wrong they want the best for the team and not themselves. They realised the importance they have on the team and used that to help the situation. I’m glad they did what they did, it shows that they truly care. I’d rather them do that than nothing at all. We needed someone to stand up against the EPO. The EPO seem not to care about the national team. These coaches the EPO have appointed the past few years have been appalling. We’ve missed out on signing very good coaches like Michel and Schuster. 

With JVS now I feel like there is some hope. He wants to play younger players and play more attacking and possession based football. That’s everything that most of us including myself wanted. Some selections are very questionable but now that he wants Manolas back in the team it’s giving me more hope because Manolas is definitely needed. 

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5 hours ago, Dean97 said:

There’s no evidence to suggest that Manolas doesn’t want to play for the national team. JVS hasn’t picked him because he wanted to see other players. Now that his job is on the line a player like Manolas will be needed in these qualifiers. I agree we should be looking to replace Sokratis, Mitroglou and Samaris are all getting old and we need to find younger players for the future. They are in a different boat to Manolas. 

Svarnas, Lampropoulos, Tzavellas and Stafylidis won’t take us to the World Cup. We struggled to even come 1st in a easy nations league group. It won’t get easier against Spain or Sweden. 

Players like Bakasetas, Svarnas, Tzavellas, Lampropoulos, Kourbelis, Koulouris, Stafylidis, Bakakis and Mavrias aren’t going to take us into the World Cup in my opinion. These players are holding Greece back. We can easily find better replacements. 

Bakasetas seems to be doing well in Turkey but I don’t think he should be playing the 10 role for Greece. I haven’t been impressed. He’s slow, uncoordinated and very basic. 

Svarnas has done alright for Greece but something tells me he isn’t the answer to replace a player like Sokratis or take a spot from a player like Mavropanos. He’s isn’t international quality.

Tzavellas should be no where near the team. I will leave it at that. 

Stafylidis isn’t a CB and hasn’t fully convinced me to be a starter. At LB we are stacked and he isn’t better than  Tsimikas or Giannoulis.

Bakakis and Mavrias. These guys will get destroyed at a World Cup let alone against Spain in a few weeks. These guys aren’t good enough to play RB for Greece and we urgently need to find the best possible replacement.

Lampropoulos he’s 31 and very average.

Kourbelis. I feel that he should be a CB. Isn’t creative enough and let’s us down in attacking phases. We need a better 6. I would replace him with Alexandropoulos for now.

Koulouris has been picked even though he hasn’t played for like months. Very average footballer for me. Scored 20 goals for Atromitos but goes missing for Greece. I dont know what it is and he’s been given enough chances. I believe Douvikas or Ioannidis would be an upgrade over him. Pelkas is another player that can’t turn it up for Greece. 

I’ve just listed and explained the problems within our team. These players would love to play for Greece but they just don’t cut it. You can be very passionate or motivated to play but if you aren’t good enough, you aren’t good enough. 

To conclude, I don’t think there’s one Greek player that doesn’t want to play for the national team in my opinion. If a player doesn’t follow the rules and has a big ego or is being a smart ass in training then yeah I agree that these players shouldn’t be part of the team.

That run in that Manolas and Sokratis had with the EPO was done for the right reasons. Right or wrong they want the best for the team and not themselves. They realised the importance they have on the team and used that to help the situation. I’m glad they did what they did, it shows that they truly care. I’d rather them do that than nothing at all. We needed someone to stand up against the EPO. The EPO seem not to care about the national team. These coaches the EPO have appointed the past few years have been appalling. We’ve missed out on signing very good coaches like Michel and Schuster. 

With JVS now I feel like there is some hope. He wants to play younger players and play more attacking and possession based football. That’s everything that most of us including myself wanted. Some selections are very questionable but now that he wants Manolas back in the team it’s giving me more hope because Manolas is definitely needed. 

Well said on many fronts. Initially I didn’t like how Sokratis attacked the coach on live media right after the Armenia game but looking at it now something had to be done after those two embarrassing loses to Italy & Armenia and what occurred leading up to those fixtures. Sokratis was directing his frustrations to the EPO who bring in sub par coaches after Rehagel & Santos. EPO can’t get the NT a stadium to call home they flip flop from OAKA to saying they will have the stadium in Crete rebuilt and nothing happens? They have to start putting the NT as there top priority. Greece have to be qualifying for World Cups & Euros this is the best exposure to be playing at these tournaments and the $ they will bring in is huge. JVS has been better but he can do far better still if he brings back Manolas and stops calling up guys like Tzavellas and if he brings Bakasetas in as a player who can come on in as a sub and he has to have Fortounis in the starting eleven. Then he will be taking big steps forward & maybe Greece can punch a ticket to the World Cup.

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You guys miss the point, no one is arguing that EPO isn't a rabble and unfortunately will continue to be. But when you play on a team and you're a leader, attitude is everything and when senior players do what they did it's toxic. What's to say if they were called back up they wouldn't sabotage again from the inside and same guys that are on here advocating for certain players to return would be crying out about why are we losing to the Georgia's of the world. 

Attitude is everything in team sports and a few bad apples CAN ruin the whole bunch. EPO is a rabble but saying something post-game isn't going to change that, in general players don't have the power to change the federation. They can force personnel change as Sokratis did and Manolas and JVS has done well up until now (without them) 

I know the NT in theory needs Manolas back but it needs a Manolas who is playing at 110% and has bought in to what the coach is building and is gonna keep his head down and work hard. Not a Manolas who's gonna come in and start whining about why he wasn't called up for over a year, and why his koumbaro (Siovas) has been banished. If reports are true and he is on the verge of a recall his attitude will determine whether he gets the call, not his playing ability because even blind Freddy can see he is good enough.  

Fans need to stop turning a blind eye to these things because it's stuff like this that was a massive contributing factor to the Ethniki's capitulation over the last 6-7 years. I don't care how good a player you are if you don't do right by the team and come with the sole intention of helping, then I'm all for keeping these players away, even if it means missing out quality. 

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 How can this be the right mix of players when we had problems breaking down slovenia

and kosovo ?

I am not saying Ninis is the answer ,but Dean is basically saying that we cannot afford not to have our most skilled players on the field. I agree with him.

 

 

 

 

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12 minutes ago, nasl said:

 

 How can this be the right mix of players when we had problems breaking down slovenia

and kosovo ?

I am not saying Ninis is the answer ,but Dean is basically saying that we cannot afford not to have our most skilled players on the field. I agree with him.

 

 

 

 

Sorry not following which proposed lineup you dident like.

 

Ill just say this about the second Slovenia game.

 

We did break them down.No obviously we dident roll over them the way a spain or germany would but.....The Kourbelis miss in the 2nd half was well drawn up and completely there for the taking.

In international football when somethings on the line, its always tight but JVS put us in a position to win that game if we take that chance imo. This team used to capitalize on the 1 or 2 chances it got but they dont capitalize of late.

 

Also in that game Oblak came up huge twice and was world class as usual for them. He was a real stand out. The Bakesetas strike and Pavlidis near bike ( I never wanted to see a bike come off more than that lol) were also quality chances.

 

At the end of the day the players have to finish. Im so tired of watching Fortunis hit wood work game in and game out....his production for the national team would be stellar if we had a dime for every time he hit a post haha.

I deff think Fortunis starts...did everyone see that beautiful cross with limited playing time to win it for Olympiacos?

 

Also did any one else catch Benfica's decision not to play Vlachodimos totally blow up in there face? I feel like he would have had something to say about that first Aubameyang goal.....that goalkeeper's timing coming out was so bad and he dident even try to make himself big.

2 of the goals were preventable....but there was no marking on that 3rd for benfica.

 

 

 

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8 hours ago, paokarag4 said:

You guys miss the point, no one is arguing that EPO isn't a rabble and unfortunately will continue to be. But when you play on a team and you're a leader, attitude is everything and when senior players do what they did it's toxic. What's to say if they were called back up they wouldn't sabotage again from the inside and same guys that are on here advocating for certain players to return would be crying out about why are we losing to the Georgia's of the world. 

Attitude is everything in team sports and a few bad apples CAN ruin the whole bunch. EPO is a rabble but saying something post-game isn't going to change that, in general players don't have the power to change the federation. They can force personnel change as Sokratis did and Manolas and JVS has done well up until now (without them) 

I know the NT in theory needs Manolas back but it needs a Manolas who is playing at 110% and has bought in to what the coach is building and is gonna keep his head down and work hard. Not a Manolas who's gonna come in and start whining about why he wasn't called up for over a year, and why his koumbaro (Siovas) has been banished. If reports are true and he is on the verge of a recall his attitude will determine whether he gets the call, not his playing ability because even blind Freddy can see he is good enough.  

Fans need to stop turning a blind eye to these things because it's stuff like this that was a massive contributing factor to the Ethniki's capitulation over the last 6-7 years. I don't care how good a player you are if you don't do right by the team and come with the sole intention of helping, then I'm all for keeping these players away, even if it means missing out quality. 

But the point is if Sokratis and Manolas didn’t say anything than who would. Everything starts from the top. Ofcourse they are going to have a bad attitude. The EPO are very incompetent, especially when it comes to the national team. They were right in standing up for the team. Are they supposed to not say a word and let the EPO keep sabotaging the national team? 

They’ve must've been holding there frustrations in for so long that they couldn’t take it anymore. 

I’ve never heard or seen Manolas whining about anything regarding Siovas and the national team. All he said was that he hasn’t been spoken to by JVS since he was dropped from the team. 

It’s also not a bad thing if leaders such as Manolas and Sokratis are vocal to the EPO about the things that are going wrong with the team. They’re are not doing it to be bad guys or egotistical. They see what’s wrong and they won’t let it stand anymore. As @Ellada2004stated, the national team should be a top priority. 

Also as @naslhas stated the national team should also be about playing the best/skilful and most inform players the country has to offer, who play at the highest level and give 110% for Greece. Not players with better agents or other immoralities.

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I'm happy Manolas will get another chance but i do understand the concern of others, The problem was not just Manolas and Sokratis complaining about the coach the problem was they would dictate who should get called up and start and who shouldn't and when they didn't agree with the players selections they were vocal about it which caused division in the locker room and that division reflected there play on the field. I get all that but if JVS spoke with him and feels he can give him a chance to come back as long as he understands JVS runs the show and not the players then I'm good with having him back as he is desperately needed. 

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Sokrates/Manolas did the ethniki a service.  Under the coach at the time, preparation was a disaster.  They voiced their concern and no one did anything.  They were basically ignored.  They had a three week camp and had not even scouted the opposition.  The coach asked (I believe Siovas) do play left back at game time.  A position he had never played in his life against Italy.  Them speaking up was a service to the ethniki.  They were the most senior and influential and the only ones who could make a change.  The end result was that the coach was replaced and we got a clean slate.  

Say what you want, but JVS has been doing his best.  He has made us more attacking and has the ethniki playing more offensive football.  Under his watch, we have seen players like Tziolis and Limnios get call ups.  While we couldn't break down Slovenia, he dominated that game and the gk made some great saves.  Pre JVS, how often did you see a descent team (Slovenia) play with 10 men back against us? 

If attitude is a problem, then yes, by all means don't call them up.  But if I remember correctly, that wasn't the case with those two.  I believe he wanted to start fresh and realized how much influence they had over the team. He wanted to exclude them to instill his vision of the team and try new players. We all deserve second chances and if they want to serve and follow the rules, call them up.  Even Fetfa (who actually broke team rules), should be given a chance if he asks for one.  Team above all else. 

 

 

 

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4 hours ago, Brklyngrk said:

Sokrates/Manolas did the ethniki a service.  Under the coach at the time, preparation was a disaster.  They voiced their concern and no one did anything.  They were basically ignored.  They had a three week camp and had not even scouted the opposition.  The coach asked (I believe Siovas) do play left back at game time.  A position he had never played in his life against Italy.  Them speaking up was a service to the ethniki.  They were the most senior and influential and the only ones who could make a change.  The end result was that the coach was replaced and we got a clean slate.  

Say what you want, but JVS has been doing his best.  He has made us more attacking and has the ethniki playing more offensive football.  Under his watch, we have seen players like Tziolis and Limnios get call ups.  While we couldn't break down Slovenia, he dominated that game and the gk made some great saves.  Pre JVS, how often did you see a descent team (Slovenia) play with 10 men back against us? 

If attitude is a problem, then yes, by all means don't call them up.  But if I remember correctly, that wasn't the case with those two.  I believe he wanted to start fresh and realized how much influence they had over the team. He wanted to exclude them to instill his vision of the team and try new players. We all deserve second chances and if they want to serve and follow the rules, call them up.  Even Fetfa (who actually broke team rules), should be given a chance if he asks for one.  Team above all else. 

 

 

 

I agree with you and that’s why I’m for having him back in the line up.. That coach was an absolute disaster so I agree something needed to be done and maybe it was there leadership and love of the National team that made them speak out. My problem with them was when they were vocal about certain guys not being called up..

At the end of the day I know guys complain on here we don’t have a big name coach and that’s a valid argument but don’t forget the EPOs budget for a coach will never give us a big name. JVS has done a really good job. He has changed the culture, Attitude and style of play and that wasn’t an easy thing to do in such a short period of time.. Now that we have a mix of young guys playing adding Manolas on the back I think will work great. I’m still concerned about our midfield and finishing but I’m liking the direction we are headed.

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15 hours ago, Euro04Kings said:

Sorry not following which proposed lineup you dident like.

 

Ill just say this about the second Slovenia game.

 

We did break them down.No obviously we dident roll over them the way a spain or germany would but.....The Kourbelis miss in the 2nd half was well drawn up and completely there for the taking.

In international football when somethings on the line, its always tight but JVS put us in a position to win that game if we take that chance imo. This team used to capitalize on the 1 or 2 chances it got but they dont capitalize of late.

 

Also in that game Oblak came up huge twice and was world class as usual for them. He was a real stand out. The Bakesetas strike and Pavlidis near bike ( I never wanted to see a bike come off more than that lol) were also quality chances.

 

At the end of the day the players have to finish. Im so tired of watching Fortunis hit wood work game in and game out....his production for the national team would be stellar if we had a dime for every time he hit a post haha.

I deff think Fortunis starts...did everyone see that beautiful cross with limited playing time to win it for Olympiacos?

 

Also did any one else catch Benfica's decision not to play Vlachodimos totally blow up in there face? I feel like he would have had something to say about that first Aubameyang goal.....that goalkeeper's timing coming out was so bad and he dident even try to make himself big.

2 of the goals were preventable....but there was no marking on that 3rd for benfica.

 

 

 

Your right Greece had Slovenia on the back foot that game. We were creating so much in attack so many quality chances that one goal should have least been scored. Oblak made a couple unbelievable saves & we had some poor finishing. Slovenia barely created a chance that match even with Ilcic back in their lineup.

Fortounis is our go to guy to create in attack. Olympiakos was anemic in the 1st half vs PSV. When he came on and was on the ball you could sense good things were going to happen and he played a big role in the goal and also unlucky he hit the bar of a wonderful taken free kick. Fortounis must START for us end of story..

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4 hours ago, J1078 said:

My problem with them was when they were vocal about certain guys not being called up..

I can’t remember hearing this from them. I don’t think they mentioned any names. If they did can you please remind me because all I remember was that they demanded the EPO to make changes and get rid of the coach. Or otherwise they would leave the team. 

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9 hours ago, Brklyngrk said:

Sokrates/Manolas did the ethniki a service.  Under the coach at the time, preparation was a disaster.  They voiced their concern and no one did anything.  They were basically ignored.  They had a three week camp and had not even scouted the opposition.  The coach asked (I believe Siovas) do play left back at game time.  A position he had never played in his life against Italy.  Them speaking up was a service to the ethniki.  They were the most senior and influential and the only ones who could make a change.  The end result was that the coach was replaced and we got a clean slate.  

Say what you want, but JVS has been doing his best.  He has made us more attacking and has the ethniki playing more offensive football.  Under his watch, we have seen players like Tziolis and Limnios get call ups.  While we couldn't break down Slovenia, he dominated that game and the gk made some great saves.  Pre JVS, how often did you see a descent team (Slovenia) play with 10 men back against us? 

If attitude is a problem, then yes, by all means don't call them up.  But if I remember correctly, that wasn't the case with those two.  I believe he wanted to start fresh and realized how much influence they had over the team. He wanted to exclude them to instill his vision of the team and try new players. We all deserve second chances and if they want to serve and follow the rules, call them up.  Even Fetfa (who actually broke team rules), should be given a chance if he asks for one.  Team above all else. 

 

 

 

Well said. They did do a service for the team. I’m also in agreement in if the attitude is poor then they shouldn’t be in the team. That goes for all players. Everyone does deserve 2nd chances also.

JVS has done well, I don’t disagree with that but he has been doing some questionable things too. Ok playing Hatzidiakos or Lampropoulos didn’t work but why call up an actual RB in Rota and not play him or why play him for like only 10 minutes? Mavrias who doesn’t play a lot gets picked over other players who have played that position longer and are actually playing week in and week out like Kitsiou or Giannis Masouras. Kotsiras is a decent option aswell.

Also why wasn’t Tzolis given 90 minutes against Slovenia when he had a great showing against Cyprus in the friendly?

Hopefully now that we have big games coming up and every game counts hopefully JVS understands that certain players don’t cut it and certain personnel changes are needed. His job is also on the line and finishing 2nd in a easy Nations League group is not good enough. We also have a friendly coming up. Maybe try Mantalos as a CM (which he can play) and maybe put Fortounis starting at CAM and give Tzolis more minutes. Maybe that could solve our creativity problems and finishing. 

 

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1 hour ago, Dean97 said:

I can’t remember hearing this from them. I don’t think they mentioned any names. If they did can you please remind me because all I remember was that they demanded the EPO to make changes and get rid of the coach. Or otherwise they would leave the team. 

They were very vocal when Ang didn’t call Toro up. They were not happy about that at all and they made there feelings loud and clear in the dressing room.. That’s what was being reported at the time. Apparently they also influenced call ups with Skibbe as well. But that was then and this is now I agree players deserve 2nd chances and that’s why I think I would bring back Siovas as well.

 

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Thoughts?? 

"According to Sportime, Tasos Douvikas is John Van't Schip's 3rd-choice striker for the Ethniki in the upcoming world cup qualifiers in March"

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Well - regarding Toro, seeing the competition, I can see why they would think that.  We all have opinions on call ups and we all voice it amongst ourselves.  As professional athletes, I am sure they all do the same especially when they see the talent.  The key is not to make it public. Siovas/Fefta were made examples for their professionalism and rightfully so.  Having said that, if they  apologize, like Siovas did, then accept it and move on with the understanding that one more transgression and it's over.

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