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The 'butcher of Belgrade' who just happened to pass away in his cell during his court case is now exonerated for any wrong doing.

 

http://www.globalresearch.ca/icty-exonerates-slobodan-milosevic-for-war-crimes/5539237

 

 

 

The International Criminal Tribunal for the Former Yugoslavia (ICTY) in The Hague has determined that the late Serbian president Slobodan Milosevic was not responsible for war crimes committed during the 1992-95 Bosnian war.

http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/?p=137459

 

 

 

For the past twenty odd years, neocon commentators and 'liberal interventionist' pundits have been telling us at every possible opportunity, that Milosevic (a democratically elected leader in a country where over 20 political parties freely operated)  was an evil genocidal dictator who was to blame for ALL the deaths in the Balkans in the 1990s

https://www.rt.com/op-edge/354362-slobodan-milosevic-exonerated-us-nato/

 

Strange how the BBC have stayed silent on this.

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Serbia and Milosevic were cleared of directing or organizing the ethnic cleansing, but not so fast....

 

However, the president of the International Court of Justice (ICJ) did state that it was ""conclusively proved" that the Serbian leadership, and Milosevic in particular, "were fully aware ... that massacres were likely to occur, and in violation of international law, did nothing to prevent them. This is more damning since the Serbian government had influence with the Bosnian Serbs (Mladic, Karadzic, etc)

 

 

By the way, dictators can be elected and have the support of the public, especially in times of crisis, and ultra-nationalism. Putin and Erdogan come to mind...

 

Some people place a higher premium on supporting anything connected to their identity than the facts. Serbs=Xtian, Orthodox.. (v. Catholics, Muslisms), therefore Greeks and Serbs are brothers. Tsk.

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The media agenda isn't to report fact, they are just cheerleaders - repeaters - of the official narrative to get public support behind the political agenda, see WMDs, and nobody is reporting that Milosevic has been cleared, why? And when he died in his cell nobody dug deeper all we heard was 'he escaped justice'. Imagine something similar happened during say a Russian court case.

At the time Serbs were portrayed as the bad guys because the goal was to carve up Yugoslavia, privatise its industries and carve them up amongst privateers which is what happened, now its Muslims and Russians who are the perceived enemy.

 

 

 

Some people place a higher premium on supporting anything connected to their identity than the facts. Serbs=Xtian, Orthodox.. (v. Catholics, Muslisms), therefore Greeks and Serbs are brothers. Tsk.

Exactly, which is why some Americans call Putin a 'dictator' but don't look at their own in the same way. 

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wow, man, even those not familiar with US politics realize that the US suffers from too much of dispersal of power, hence the 3 branches of government (two of which, Congress and Presidency are controlled by two opposite parties). If you really think Putin and Obama operate with same impunity and control of their countries then there's nothing reasonable one can say to change your mind. I hope you haven't taken the magic potion of Faux News...

 

Yes, there some Americans who believe Obama is the worst dictator, not born in the US, and who wants to take their guns away, help ISIL and the Muslim theocracies, while promoting radical socialism (maybe communism).  Right?

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There are other Americans that believe in their political system, in a country where your choice is Trump who is a complete buffoon and Hilary who lets face it everyone knows is basically a criminal who is completely corrupt its an open secret, in any sane country she'd be in prison, what hasn't this woman being embroiled in?? This choice is no choice, yet you'll all go along and vote thankful that you live in a democracy, unlike say... Russia.

 

Obama increased the national debt, continued Bush's wars, obliterated Libya meddled in Syria, bailed out banks and allowed Detroit to disappear, is pro TTIP (like Hilary) and all I keep hearing is that he can't do anything because those nasty republicans keep preventing him(too much dispersal of power perhaps)? 

 

Putin is elected (just like Obama) and has a high approval rating in his own country, now I'm not endorsing the Russian system or Putin but I like a little balance when we band terms like 'dictator' at others. 

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double wow....

 

You begin to sound like Trump....

 

What is exactly criminal (in a legal sense that would warrant imprisonment) in Hillary's past? Be specific, not you hate her policies, bad decisions, pant suits, laughter, whatever... She's no angel by far, but she and her husband are the most investigated political couple ever. Republicans in Congress spend $20+ mil investigating Benghazi and the emails. Same with the FBI, and the hounds of Faux News. Are all conspiring to let her get away? It's ludicrous, but that's what comes out of your observations...

 

Obama was given a wrecked economy, which was losing 800,000 jobs a month. Here's a car, all smashed up, and once you get the key I start complaining at your ineptitude to get it running perfectly, without spending any money on repairs of course! For all the onerous Republican projections that Obama's policies would destroy the economy, the opposite has happened in spite of Republicans in Congress sabotaging everything.

 

The debt has to be considered as a % of the economy.  The world's money is flowing to the US, buying US T-bills and debt, often at record low interest rates, and, even negative interest! I wonder why anyone would buy such IOUs from a country they don't trust..... hmmmm  By the way, you're also wrong about Detroit. It's was not destroyed by Obama. Bailed out GM is the world's #1 seller of cars. The auto industry (car makers and thousands of other attached businesses) was bailed out, and as with banks, the US treasury made money after bailout debt was repaid. It's was a strategic decision to keep alive the automobile industry alive. As for the banks, Bush initiated the bailout with no strings attached, Obama continued and tried to regulate Wall Street.  Both parties have received money from WS and have strong ties to this sector.  But, unlike Putin, Obama didn't imprison his political adversaries, his billionaire enemies, or closed news media and arrested reporters critical of him.

 

Apparently, you don't understand how the US political system works if you keep asserting that Obama, or any president, has the unchecked powers Putin has. All the cases you offer in support of your argument prove exactly the opposite of your thesis. Of course the president has powers, but he can't raise or spend a penny without Congress. Your second paragraph has a cyclical argument that relies on bad logic and evidence.

 

As for democracy, elections, etc. Let me repeat myself: dictators can be popular and may be elected by majorities.  When the Roman republic died, elections kept taking place, but the citizens were electing dictators who only promised to protect the properties of citizens and provide law & order.  Thomas Hobbes in his Leviathan (17th c.) argues that people have natural rights but in order to protect life and property willing give up all freedom to the benevolent dictator. Many societies have done precisely this.

 

In Russia today, most people don't care about liberal freedoms, like free press, tolerance and diversity. After all, Russia has never known democracy or has been influenced by the Enlightenment. They care about nationalism, consumer goods, and strong authoritarian leadership. When Putin goes into Ukraine, takes, Crimea, meddles in the Middle East, he's got overwhelming popular support. When Obama, for example, meddles in Syria, Libya, Afghanistan, Iraq, all hell breaks loose and there are a dozen factions including public opinion pulling in different directions. He wants to sign international treaties and the Senate objects.

 

Let us not forget how this dictator (Obama) wants to shape the Supreme Court (under his authority under the US constitution) and he can't even get his nominee a hearing at the Senate. Have you heard about this?.... :la:

 

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1789:  your assertions include unproved allegations. You may disagree about policy, and decisions made by Obama but why do you rely on silly conspiracies to prove your point? Which, by the way, what is it?

That Obama has been helping ISIL, explicitly and covertly?

That Obama is a hidden communist? When exactly is he going to establish communism, next December?

#4...are you sure about your claims? And, what ridiculous thing to say that Putin sought approval..... Yeah, like Saddam got approval by his parliament to invade Kuwait...

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In Russia today, most people don't care about liberal freedoms, like free press, tolerance and diversity. After all, Russia has never known democracy or has been influenced by the Enlightenment. They care about nationalism, consumer goods, and strong authoritarian leadership. When Putin goes into Ukraine, takes, Crimea, meddles in the Middle East, he's got overwhelming popular support. When Obama, for example, meddles in Syria, Libya, Afghanistan, Iraq, all hell breaks loose and there are a dozen factions including public opinion pulling in different directions. He wants to sign international treaties and the Senate objects.

How do you know the Russian psyche? Is that what you've been told about them by the media in the US, that borders on racism really saying Russians are nationalists that don't care about press freedoms only consumer goods. I could be equally as racist and say look at black Friday and see what US citizens think of consumer goods, remember 'we got him' when the US caught Saddam Hussain? All the celebrations and chants of USA USA, and you talk about nationalism as though its only the Russians. 

 

Putins 'meddling in the middle east' I suspect you mean Syria where he was invited in by the Syrian government, unlike the US(UK France & Turkey) who invited themselves and have a habit of dropping aid packages and arms that often 'accidentally' end up in the hands of ISIS. 

 

Crimea has a naval port that doesn't freeze Putin annexed it to guard against NATOs expansion(you know they gave Russia guarantees after the break up of the Soviet Union that NATO wouldn't expand) and provocation, he took Crimea with a referendum and without a shot being fired, I'd say he's slightly more measured than say Obama, Trump or even the transparent Hilary. Media could say he 'reunified' or 'annexed' Crimea, depending on their own agenda.

 

Hilary: Leaking confidential emails to family in order for them to profit from, insider trading? Is that legal over in the US? I could go on let me know if you'd like me to, or watch the video above. 

 

 

 Yeah, like Saddam got approval by his parliament to invade Kuwait...

Apparently he got approval from the US

http://www.globalresearch.ca/gulf-war-documents-meeting-between-saddam-hussein-and-ambassador-to-iraq-april-glaspie/31145

 

Besides this thread was about the behaviour of the press during the Balkans conflict, it wasn't really objective was it? And Milosevic being cleared isn't even newsworthy. 

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@1789- you also forgot to put down obuma doesn't believe in immigration let alone vetting these people in from Syria, Iraq and whatnot! so if you have tb come on in! spread the love around!!! obuma is so anti immigration its insulting. you come into a country, you follow the rules of law if not its simple get out. hes just another liar with broken promises in a line of presidents bushie sr, and jr.

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1789, I'm getting a bit off topic, but it's really tricky to try and work out if "socializing" medicine is in the common interest or not.  I agree with you 100% that the vast majority of medical breakthroughs have been from the U.S., and the profit motive is key to this.  But I think you need a balance.  There is definitely a point at which spending X amount of dollars benefits the country.  For example say immunisation.  Even if it costs now, the country benefits more in the long run.

 

The tricky question though is how far do you take it ?  I remember reading a story years ago about someone in the U.S. that had severed their thumb while working in their garage, and when he went to the hospital, he didn't have insurance or something, and out of frustration he went to walk out of the hospital and on the way out threw the thumb in the bin!  The doctors feeling guilty ended up doing the procedure.  Or so I remember the story.  It was a long time ago that I read it.

 

In "socialized" countries, that would never happen!  And that's a good thing.  This person, say he was a manual worker, if he can't work he's now a drain on the country.  But if he's working, he's earning, contributing to the economy, paying taxes etc.  Again, the question of "is it worth it" is not simple to answer.

 

In Australia every worker pays 1.5% "Medicare".  I don't see any harm in having some sort of basic health care system.  I actually think it's beneficial in economic "capitalist" terms.

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@ saki mod. your assumptions are that. im stating facts from many and multiple ice workers who work at the fed building in chinda town, but what would you know you eat veggie sandwiches, while I hear it from the workers themselves!  Your so blind that you probably would rebuff anything it were not to your liking.

 

also obuma has done jack and does not enforece imm as your stating it. these are hallow words keep on getting your info from gallop poles hahaahh. great work

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