Blackhawk Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 On 2/20/2022 at 4:12 PM, Alphonse said: I liked what EPO said about 4 Greek players starting in Super League matches It will never happen. The Superleague teams will not allow it. More logical solution would be to limit the foreign players in the lower divisions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kbxk508 Posted February 23, 2022 Share Posted February 23, 2022 It’s all about results. Performance has to be measured by wins first, and then by all the other parameters. JVS alienated and pissed off some of our best talent. Trust was broken. Clearly they did not want to play for him. Then again, others were excluded from the lineup or squad. That’s not good. Starting 11 has to include our best talent. There can be no rifts. Coach has to have the last say but we cannot not have our best players in the team. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brklyngrk Posted February 23, 2022 Share Posted February 23, 2022 I agree but it must be the right fit as well. We need our players to have the right attitude, pulling in the same direction. Not saying those three players are like that, just a general sentiment. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kbxk508 Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 (edited) Correct. It depends on current form. It also depends on who we are playing, and if experience required, warranted. For example Manolas transfer market is nowhere near what it was in 2018, when playing at Roma. Still a quality player. On the other hand Mavropanos is valued at 17m euro and is having another solid year at Stuttgart. Current Player Transfer Market Value (in euro): - Mavropanos 17m Vlachodimos 15m Tzimikas 10m Masouras 10m Tziolis 10m Bakasetas 10m Gianoulis 7m Fortounis 6m Manolas 5m Pelkas 5m Bouchalakis 5m Kyriakopoulos 4m Siopis 3.8m Mantalos 3.2m Pavlidis 3m Chatzidiakos 3m Alexandrpoulos 2.5m Athanasiadis 1.7m Douvikas 1.5m Limnios 1.5m Edited February 28, 2022 by kbxk508 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brklyngrk Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 Tzimikas should be worth more than 10 million. Manolas 5m?? Tziolis' value should have dropped, had zero playing time this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ausgreek Posted March 1, 2022 Share Posted March 1, 2022 Based on those figures, Bakasetas will be CAM for the Ethniki so how that will look different to any other time, even with the new gaffer, will be interesting to see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dean97 Posted March 1, 2022 Share Posted March 1, 2022 I don’t know how Bakasetas is valued at that price. In my opinion he was one of the reasons we couldn’t beat teams less than us. Along with JVS tactics and other poor selections. I’ve noticed Sokratis is not even in the top 20 of most valuable Greek players in that list. I hope we bring back Manolas, Sokratis and Siovas so we don’t see players like Tzavellas in the squad anymore. I read Poyet was impressed with Ioannidis of PAO who scored against AEK this past weekend. He’s not a bad striker and should be given a chance but I see Giakoumakis and Douvikas ahead of him as our best strikers. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brklyngrk Posted March 1, 2022 Share Posted March 1, 2022 I guess it depends on the role he sees for him. He has been scoring but I agree, the other two, along with Pavlidis have been doing better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kbxk508 Posted March 2, 2022 Share Posted March 2, 2022 Source: https://www.transfermarkt.com/griechenland/startseite/verein/3378 Socratis current market value is 3m euro, link: https://www.transfermarkt.com/sokratis-papastathopoulos/profil/spieler/34322 Also, it's worth pointing out that Sporting Lisbon was ready to pay 12m euro for Bakasetas in Jan transfer period, but he declined it, citing he wanted to win the League with Trabzanspor: https://www.sport24.gr/football/mpakasetas-i-sportingk-plirone-ti-ritra-12-ekatommyrion-kai-ekeinos-arnithike.9548118.html. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AEK RE GAMOTO Posted March 2, 2022 Share Posted March 2, 2022 Well written, and detailed article, about Poyet. Doesn't fill me with too much confidence, to be honest.... https://worldfootballindex.com/2022/03/greece-gamble-on-gus-poyet-manager/ 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ausgreek Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 (edited) Maropanos is ranked highest so guess what, he is the first CB, if not player period, picked, ahead of Sok, Siovas and Manolas. The figures are there for all to see. The team chosen based on the figures : Vlahodimos (Masouras?) Mavropanos. Manolas. Tsimikas Bouchalakis Siopis Bakasetas Masouras Tzolis Pavlidis I don't agree with. all these selections, I would prefer: Giakoumakis or Douvikas ahead of Pavlidis Limnios ahead of Tzolis (not Tziolis for those who don't know the diff) Fortounis, Ninis or even Pelkas ahead of Bakasetas. Galanopoulos or Alexandropoulos ahead of Siopis Edited March 3, 2022 by ausgreek 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J1078 Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 22 hours ago, AEK RE GAMOTO said: Well written, and detailed article, about Poyet. Doesn't fill me with too much confidence, to be honest.... https://worldfootballindex.com/2022/03/greece-gamble-on-gus-poyet-manager/ After reading that I'm concerned as well. Lets hope it works out. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaokCT Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 45 minutes ago, J1078 said: After reading that I'm concerned as well. Lets hope it works out. Well if we know one thing, Greeks are horrible gamblers. All the ones I know, including myself, lose at the casino! 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ellada2004 Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 5 hours ago, J1078 said: After reading that I'm concerned as well. Lets hope it works out. Hopefully he does well and gets results right away as he said its about wins. Poyet's contract runs until December 2023 so if we don't win the NL we or perform badly we can replace him going into the Euro qualification. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphonse Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 On 3/3/2022 at 3:47 AM, AEK RE GAMOTO said: Well written, and detailed article, about Poyet. Doesn't fill me with too much confidence, to be honest.... https://worldfootballindex.com/2022/03/greece-gamble-on-gus-poyet-manager/ I wish I never read that ? 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kbxk508 Posted March 5, 2022 Share Posted March 5, 2022 Coaches need to have different tactics depending on the opponent. The problem with Greece under JVS is that we struggled to beat Kosovo, Georgia at home. Tactics too predictable, and easy to defend against. The away match to Sweden 1st half was the blue print, with the only exception is that we didn’t score. International coaching and Club coaching are very different. Poyet will be coaching a national team for the first time. He may do alright or better. To be honest if we can’t top NL group C then he may not be the right man. Let’s see who he picks and what tactics he uses. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dean97 Posted March 5, 2022 Share Posted March 5, 2022 19 hours ago, kbxk508 said: Coaches need to have different tactics depending on the opponent. The problem with Greece under JVS is that we struggled to beat Kosovo, Georgia at home. Tactics too predictable, and easy to defend against. The away match to Sweden 1st half was the blue print, with the only exception is that we didn’t score. International coaching and Club coaching are very different. Poyet will be coaching a national team for the first time. He may do alright or better. To be honest if we can’t top NL group C then he may not be the right man. Let’s see who he picks and what tactics he uses. I think player selections for Greece is the biggest thing we need to get right to be successful in my opinion. Let’s just say Greece were a club and not a country, and there were transfers and selling involved. The positions we would need to upgrade are RB, CDM/CM, and CAM. These specific positions along with the tactics that were employed by JVS hurt our chances of qualifying. Bakakis, Mavrias, Zeca, Kourbelis, Bouchalakis and Bakasetas are not good enough nor will they bring Greece to a major tournament again. I would drop these players completely out of the team just like how Samaris was dropped for the last couple of years. Also playing Stafylidis and Tzavellas at CB or in the the team in general doesn’t help either. As they are not needed as we have plenty of top quality CBs and LBs to choose from. What I’m hoping for is that Poyet, recognises that these positions need upgrading and the players have that played in these positions are not good enough. The only player I would keep from that group would be Bouchalakis as he can be more serviceable then the other midfielders we have. We need Fortounis and Galanopoulos to come back and start for this team. We need to try different options at RB until we get it right with like Kitsiou, Kotsiras and Masouras. Also if we play players in the right positions and play our most skilful and fastest players then we can get to a major tournament I believe. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brklyngrk Posted March 6, 2022 Share Posted March 6, 2022 I like the fact that we have 1 year trial with him. No more Stafylidis/Tsimikas at CB (hopefully). It's a clean slate and if we don't like what we see, we move on with no real financial implications. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphonse Posted March 7, 2022 Share Posted March 7, 2022 Rumors are he is keen on getting Manolas, Papastathopoulos and Siovas back 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dean97 Posted March 8, 2022 Share Posted March 8, 2022 (edited) 6 hours ago, Alphonse said: Rumors are he is keen on getting Manolas, Papastathopoulos and Siovas back That’s what I’ve heard aswell. Also he will apparently call up 40 players for the friendlies. Some of these players are players JVS banned from the team like Manolas, Kitsiou etc. Also he will call up players no one would expect. Sounds very interesting. Edited March 8, 2022 by Dean97 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaokCT Posted March 8, 2022 Share Posted March 8, 2022 9 hours ago, Dean97 said: That’s what I’ve heard aswell. Also he will apparently call up 40 players for the friendlies. Some of these players are players JVS banned from the team like Manolas, Kitsiou etc. Also he will call up players no one would expect. Sounds very interesting. I'm fine with Manolas but I hope he doesn't call up Sokrates. He has nothing to offer anymore, especially in friendlies. We have strong, younger CB's, we should go with them. And I am all for bringing up young players to get capped. Would be fun to see what they have to offer. But we have to be careful. We can't field teams where we will most likely lose as that would hurt us in rankings and morale. So it's got to be a sweet mix. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brklyngrk Posted March 8, 2022 Share Posted March 8, 2022 Calling up 40 players to see what they have is not a bad thing. He gets to meet them and introduce himself. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphonse Posted March 8, 2022 Share Posted March 8, 2022 7 hours ago, PaokCT said: I'm fine with Manolas but I hope he doesn't call up Sokrates. He has nothing to offer anymore, especially in friendlies. We have strong, younger CB's, we should go with them. Totally agree, Sokrates has been caught out a fair bit lately and age wise there is not much point with him now 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ellada2004 Posted March 8, 2022 Share Posted March 8, 2022 I am good with Manolas getting playing time and being a key piece of the team. As for Sokratis his form is off lately, maybe Poyet uses him of the bench and calls him up to mentor the younger players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dean97 Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 I still think Sokratis can be an option for Greece. I’d take him in the team over Tzavellas any day. Might even put him captain, he has more leadership characteristics than any of our current players. He always gave 100% for Greece. But now that Mavropanos has been in great form and with Manolas and Siovas coming back I don’t know if he should be starting ahead of these players. I’d still have him in there though. Same with Kyriakos Papadopoulos if he’s healthy. He can still offer something too. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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