Blackhawk Posted April 9, 2019 Author Share Posted April 9, 2019 It will be split into 6 teams for the title and 8 teams for relegation. The title race between the 6 teams will include 5 rounds of football, with the team finishing 1st in the regular season playing all their games at home (2nd team, 4 at home 1 away, etc.). At least that's the idea that was proposed today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soprano76 Posted April 9, 2019 Share Posted April 9, 2019 24 minutes ago, Blackhawk said: It will be split into 6 teams for the title and 8 teams for relegation. The title race between the 6 teams will include 5 rounds of football, with the team finishing 1st in the regular season playing all their games at home (2nd team, 4 at home 1 away, etc.). At least that's the idea that was proposed today. That sounds stupid, IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackhawk Posted April 9, 2019 Author Share Posted April 9, 2019 That was supposedly one of the ideas for next year's playoffs that I heard on the radio this morning. The whole playoffs idea sounds stupid to me. However, since they are going with 14 teams, Superleague needs to meet the TV contracts between them and Novasport /ERT where they need to guarantee at least 30 rounds of competition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphonse Posted April 9, 2019 Share Posted April 9, 2019 That would be tragic if they did that... Given they need 30 rounds why not leave it at 16 teams instead of dropping to 14 and having to create another 4 rounds (approx) to cover the deal... Having 1 team play all home games... lol they sure know how to kill football in Greece 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackhawk Posted April 9, 2019 Author Share Posted April 9, 2019 Superleague wants 16 teams, but the idiot secretary of sports Vasilidias is threatening to cut the ERT TV contract from the 7 teams if the league does not go to 14 teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yiankos Posted April 16, 2019 Share Posted April 16, 2019 Athens βλέπω ότι το παλεύεις να βάλεις μυαλό στους φίλους μας τα σκουλήκια. Είσαι ωραίος. Δύο Κύπελλα πήραμε, ένα πρωτάθλημα μας κλέψανε, φέτος παίρνουμε πρωτάθλημα, πάμε τελικό Κυπέλλου και χαίρονται που τραυματίστηκε ο Βιεϊρίνια οπότε αυξήθηκαν οι πιθανότητες να μην το πάρουμε κι αυτό. Και κλαίνε που δεν πήρε το πρωτάθλημα το μεγάλο αφεντικό τους. Και μιλάνε για παραρτήματα αυτοί που πήρανε τρεις παίκτες από τον Ολυμπιακό. Και θέλανε και ΗΜΝΣΓ και βγήκε ο Κόκε να μας πει ποιος είναι ο Πρίγιοβιτς. Που αποκλειστήκανε από τον Εργοτέλη και στο χορτάρι ούτε τον Παναθηναϊκό τον τελειωμένο δεν περάσανε. Που λένε για Big 5 και κουραφέξαλα τη στιγμή που ο Ατρόμητος τους έκανε γιο-γιο τους πέταξε δύο φάπες μέσα έξω και χαλαρά. Και τώρα γυρνάνε και μας λένε πρωτάθλημα των Πρεσπών και πουλήσαμε τη Μακεδονία για να πάρουμε πρωτάθλημα. Κλαίνε μαζί με τ' αδέρφια τους τους γαύρους. Τόσο κλάμα ούτε οι ΑΕΧτσήδες δεν ρίχνουνε που έχουμε και μεγάλη κόντρα τα τελευταία χρόνια. Ο Ατρόμητος είναι παράρτημα του ΠΑΟΚ. Ο Ατρόμητος που έκοψε βαθμούς στον ΠΑΟΚ. Αλλά τα σκουλήκια δεν είναι παράρτημα του γαύρου. Όχι. Αυτοί πήρανε τρεις παίκτες από Ολυμπιακό και ο Κλιγγόπουλος τους έδωσε 300 χιλιάρικα αλλά δεν είναι παράρτημα. Είναι καθαρή ομάδα. Μεγάλη. Με ψηλά το κεφάλι. Με τίτλους. Με κόσμο. Με διοίκηση ποιοτική. Όχι σαν τον Σαββίδη τον αλήτη. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nilaul Posted April 16, 2019 Share Posted April 16, 2019 (edited) On 4/9/2019 at 10:14 PM, Blackhawk said: That was supposedly one of the ideas for next year's playoffs that I heard on the radio this morning. The whole playoffs idea sounds stupid to me. However, since they are going with 14 teams, Superleague needs to meet the TV contracts between them and Novasport /ERT where they need to guarantee at least 30 rounds of competition. If there's going to be a playoff system, everyone should take place, including number one, so 1-7. This ain't a bad idea, that would just ensure that the best team actually wins the league and not the team that had the best record against teams like OFI, but still wouldn't quite eliminate the problem of this weak teams being there. But no s%$#! like one team plays only home games, and the other way, like what the F*** is this s%$#!? And 5 rounds? That's ridiculous? Just let the 14 leagues play itself out, and at the end have an extra few games. Generally speaking, 14 teams are really hard to deal with, if you want everyone to have the same chance (home and away), you end up with a 50 match league. However I would still prefer a simpler 10 team league where everyone plays each other 4 times, with no playoffs, like in Switzerland, Greece doesn't quite have the number of teams that can remain competitive. And that system woul alienate most of these "filler content" teams. Edited April 16, 2019 by Nilaul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paokarag4 Posted April 16, 2019 Share Posted April 16, 2019 Can you imagine the relegation playoffs? Teams like Asteras, Lamia, Panetolikos, Xanthi... These teams have no fans, let's just make them play each other with no big teams coming to town to at least get a decent crowd in those games. Will be awful to watch and there will only be 200-300 people in the stands watching it. Attendances are poor atm, this will just make it worse, for the smaller clubs at least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nilaul Posted April 16, 2019 Share Posted April 16, 2019 (edited) 54 minutes ago, paokarag4 said: Can you imagine the relegation playoffs? Teams like Asteras, Lamia, Panetolikos, Xanthi... These teams have no fans, let's just make them play each other with no big teams coming to town to at least get a decent crowd in those games. Will be awful to watch and there will only be 200-300 people in the stands watching it. Attendances are poor atm, this will just make it worse, for the smaller clubs at least. That's why I think it would be better to drop the league to even fewer teams, 14 causes too many problems, it means a 28 match league, and it means that they need to crap out 2 more games due to the contracts, and most attempts to introduce playoff the title race cause too many extra matches, if both teams where to play both home and away, you could have the top 5 competing in the playoffs, but then that would take the chance of number 6 and 7 to potentiality entering Europa league. So perhaps the solution is to drop the teams even and have everyone play each other 4 times. With 12 teams, we have 44 games, and with 10, 36 games. But the quality of the league would be better, there would be more interesting matches, fuller stadiums, more revenue etc, and no playoff system to complicate things. Right now 14 team league is a weird mid ground, where many solutions just don't quite work out right. This is an old article from 2017 about a greek league with 10 teams: https://www.contra.gr/Soccer/Hellas/Superleague/super-league-me-10-omades-kai-4-guroys.4501085.html Edited April 16, 2019 by Nilaul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackhawk Posted April 16, 2019 Author Share Posted April 16, 2019 Well the person with the crazy playoff idea was elected the new president of Superleague today. Alyssandrou (AEK) defeated the PAOK candidate Makis Gagatsis 8:6. Basically the 3 big Athens teams joined hands together (POK lives and never dies!) to defeat Gagatsis. With the help with some of their puppet teams the were able to get the 8:6 win. POK and puppet teams voting for Alyssandrou: Olympiakos AEK Panathinaikos Aris Panionios Lamia OFI Apollon Teams voting for Gagatsis: PAOK AO Xanthi Atromitos Panaitolikos AE Larisa Levadeiakos Abstaining from voting PAS Giannina Asteras Tripoli Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yiankos Posted April 17, 2019 Share Posted April 17, 2019 Όλη η Αθήνα ενωμένη από τον ΠΑΟΚ ξεσκισμένη! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphonse Posted April 17, 2019 Share Posted April 17, 2019 Not really, Atromitos voted for you ? Too bad guys,, just hope that silly playoff suggestion doesn’t become a reality 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bananas Posted April 17, 2019 Share Posted April 17, 2019 16 teams is the perfect number for Greece. 30 rounds done and dusted like we have now. If you go 14 teams, then by default there must be extra games, which is to say, for whatever reason the sports minister definitely wants play-offs of some kind. There must be more to it than the sports minister wanting this. Not being conspiratorial, just saying that he alone wouldn't be enough to push for and get this. I'd be hiring a private investigator to check his swiss bank account(s). As for the idea of a title being decided via play-offs, it obviously just feels wrong. We all "get" that the idea is to have less teams that are "weak", but having a title decided just has a bad smell to it and I don't think you can get rid of that. I am kind of surprised the clubs haven't pushed back harder. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dutch Eagle Posted April 17, 2019 Share Posted April 17, 2019 Oly won the game against Pana on paper. 3-0 for the Reds. Pana got a 5 point deduction this season. Does not change a thing for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackhawk Posted April 17, 2019 Author Share Posted April 17, 2019 3 hours ago, Bananas said: If you go 14 teams, then by default there must be extra games, which is to say, for whatever reason the sports minister definitely wants play-offs of some kind. There must be more to it than the sports minister wanting this. It's not the sports minister that wants this. It's novasport and ERT the two TV companies that show Superleague games that set the number of games. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackhawk Posted April 17, 2019 Author Share Posted April 17, 2019 11 hours ago, Alphonse said: Not really, Atromitos voted for you ? What does that supposed to mean? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pash Posted April 17, 2019 Share Posted April 17, 2019 A reference to Athens 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackhawk Posted April 17, 2019 Author Share Posted April 17, 2019 Interesting situation as far as relegation is concerned with two rounds of soccer remaining. If we assume (things can change in Greece at the last minute) that 3 teams drop directly and the fourth plays a playoff game with the second team from the Football League, two teams are mathematically already relegated: Apollon Smyrnis and Levadeiakos. The battle in the next two rounds will be between these teams: 10. Larisa 31 points 11. Xanthi 29 12. Tripoli 29 13. OFI 28 (playoff series with 2nd team from Football League) 14. PAS Giannina 27 (direct relegation) Unfortunately it looks like it will be PAS Giannina that will be relegated directly. I also believe that OFI will be saved thanks to their vote in Superleague for the new president and their surprised win away at Panathinaikos, which was part of the overall plan. Remaining games for th eteams involved: ROUND 29 AEK - Larisa Xanthi - Apollon OFI - Tripoli Panionios - PAS Giannina ROUND 30 Larisa - Olympiakos Tripoli - Panionios Aris - Xanthi Atromitos - OFI PAS Giannina - PAOK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Athens4 Posted April 17, 2019 Share Posted April 17, 2019 I will be very honest and say that I prefer OFI over PAS. I am tired of watching teams play on that 'pitch' every year. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackhawk Posted April 17, 2019 Author Share Posted April 17, 2019 I like the OFI stadium but you are right their pitch could use improvements. Personally I prefer Tripoli but their last game is a friendly against Panionios. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soprano76 Posted April 17, 2019 Share Posted April 17, 2019 If Xanthi beats Apollon, which they should, then they are safe. Honestly I would rather Panionios/Atromitos be relegated instead of either Gianena or OFH. But let's be honest, 2nd best in the Football League isn't going to beat any of these teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pash Posted April 18, 2019 Share Posted April 18, 2019 Why would you rather Atromitos be relegated? I wish every team in the league would perform as well as they do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yiankos Posted April 18, 2019 Share Posted April 18, 2019 Ο Ατρόμητος είναι ομάδα πρότυπο τα τελευταία χρόνια. Ο Πανιώνιος είναι μία πολύ μεγάλη ομάδα με ιστορία που δυστυχώς διοικείται από βαλτούς και φίλους των μεγάλων ομάδων της Αθήνας. Το ιδανικότερο θα ήταν να καθαρίσουν και να μην βοηθούν τα αφεντικά τους. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackhawk Posted April 18, 2019 Author Share Posted April 18, 2019 You are right Yianko. Atromitos should be the example for other teams. They play to win all the games no matter of the opponent. If you don't thinks so then your are not watching any of their games. On the other hand we have Panionios with rich history as does Atromitos, but everyone knows that they are basically the puppets of Olympiakos, and now that they secured another season in Superleague they will help other puppets to save themselves. For that reason I believe that the team that will be relegated is Giannina and the team that will play probably Platanias in the playoff will be OFI unloess they somehow manage to relegate Xanthi. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ukworm Posted April 30, 2019 Share Posted April 30, 2019 (edited) On 4/24/2019 at 1:56 PM, Bananas said: @Yiankos, I am going on strike. I will not be posting on phantis anymore, unless @ukworm and @Emperor congratulate us on our 3rd championship. LOL - I see you haven't kept your promise... On a serious note: Go to PAOK website and post your reply here what it reads under "Match Center" and "PAOK Academy". That speaks volumes about the mentality of this club: basically "now that we got lots of money, let's crush and wipe out all the others". Until that's removed my friend, no Aris (and Iraklis) fans should be congratulating you, and certainly I - AS A MATTER OF PRINCIPLE - won't be. Edited April 30, 2019 by ukworm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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